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Model Forum / General / Models / January 2008Big Lindberg Japanese submarines coming!
Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A midget subs to go on them: http://www.lindberg-models.com/water_model70818.html http://www.lindberg-models.com/water_model70817.html 58.5 inches long. Also, the Airship "Los Angles" in 1/245 scale with a Sparrowhawk fighter: http://www.lindberg-models.com/air_model70821.html This is also a clever reuse of their Jurassic Park T-Rex molds: http://www.lindberg-models.com/animals_model76016.html Here's the main website page: http://www.lindberg-models.com/ Pat > Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. > _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pat How could that T-rex be anything more than pure conjecture? They only recently found a hadrosaur that was mummified (in 1994, IIRC) and only in the past year did they cat-scan it to see the internals. How can they think to know about a T-rex when they barely have one complete skeleton and a buncha incompletes? > How could that T-rex be anything more than pure conjecture? They only > recently found a hadrosaur that was mummified (in 1994, IIRC) and only > in the past year did they cat-scan it to see the internals. How can > they think to know about a T-rex when they barely have one complete > skeleton and a buncha incompletes? > Because one thing we now know for sure is that the carnosaur dinosaurs are pretty closely related to birds, so you can at least make a good guesstimate of what's inside them. They may get the proportions off (how big of stomach, how large of lungs?) but the overall layout and types of internal organs should be at least fairly accurate. Now to really make the model a conversation starter, it needs a strange set of sex organs added: http://www.cosmosmagazine.com/node/639 ...like the luckless T-Rex in the movie "Caveman" who gets smacked in the balls with a stick by the blind man who is wandering around under it. :-) Pat Kinda like their Visible Roswell Alien is just conjecture. Or is it????????? "The Truth Is Out There". > > Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. > > _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > they think to know about a T-rex when they barely have one complete > skeleton and a buncha incompletes? > Kinda like their Visible Roswell Alien is just conjecture. > Or is it????????? "The Truth Is Out There". [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I look at the Testors Roswell Alien craft as sci-fi at least, although there are some people who believe that stuff. And the Testors Area 51 saucer, Testors F-19, Testors SR-95 Testors XR-7 Thunderdart and Monogram F-19 as well. All sci-fi, but (with the exception of the first two) technologically possible). Lindberg is trying to pass theirs off as fact. I might add that I also like Luft '46, and that's pure conjecture as well. \But at least that were actually designed, if only on a cocktail napkin! > Kinda like their Visible Roswell Alien is just conjecture. > Or is it????????? "The Truth Is Out There". > You know Testors' motto: "Prove it's wrong!". Lindberg apparently just went with the flow. :-) I'm glad to see the transparent frog's back; I had that as a kid. I still have a real soft spot in my heart for their 1/48th scale aircraft kits. It was also neat to see the old IMC "battle damaged" Vietnam aircraft are back, although their "F4G" is a RF-4. That model of the Los Angeles would let you replicate this event in a diorama: http://static.flickr.com/34/99847725_0a2624f431.jpg Pat > Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. > _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pat I link Lindbergs tag line on the link..."your home to over 200 unassembled plastic kits" maybe because no one ever finishes their stuff? Craig >> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. >> _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Craig that ain't true. i do and i know several others. many of their kits are simplistic but the shapes and sizes are right. a good modeler can make them lookmgood. as was said, yheir kingfisher is really good. that blue devil destroyer can be made into a show winner. it's cool to bash lindberg but they make some great kits and their simpler ones are good for learning. > that ain't true. i do and i know several others. > many of their kits are simplistic but the shapes and sizes are right. a good [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ones are good for learning. > That Blue Devil destroyer became one of the most popular ship models for conversion to RC, as did their big PT-109. Their Me-262 was the first 1/48 scale one on the market, and boasted detailed engines and the nose cannon bay. The details weren't right... but they were there at least. ;-) And this is one mighty unusual aircraft that hasn't been made into a model kit very often: http://www.lindberg-models.com/air_model75311.html Same for this one: http://www.lindberg-models.com/air_model70536.html Pat >> that ain't true. i do and i know several others. >> many of their kits are simplistic but the shapes and sizes are right. a good [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Pat exactly. and thet build into nice models. the 262 was kitted by others. i have one but it's the lindberg. if you do some work, the nose guns can be fabbed up and made much more realistically. the landing gear needs a bit of attention, too. > > that ain't true. i do and i know several others. > > many of their kits are simplistic but the shapes and sizes are right. a good [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Pat IIRC, Lindberg's XFY is 1/46 scale Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > IIRC, Lindberg's XFY is 1/46 scale > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > Believe me, when you see the thickness of that canopy and the pilot hanging in midair in a non-existent cockpit, you will know that is the least of your problems (although the canopy is actually quite transparent for its thickness). On the upside, it does have pretty petite raised rivet detail and they figured out a way to get the props to counter-rotate via gears. The rivets on the Aurora Pogo could have held a battleship together. Pat > > IIRC, Lindberg's XFY is 1/46 scale > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Pat Aurora's counter-rotated too and it was 1/48th but I agree about the rivets. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > Aurora's counter-rotated too and it was 1/48th but I agree about the > rivets. > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > Remember the rivets on the Aurora Me-109? That was appalling. Their Crusader was the same way. This thing is covered with petite rivets also: http://www.lindberg-models.com/outerspace_model91003.html This is at _least_ the third incarnation of that model since the late 1950's: http://www.ninfinger.org/~sven/models/boxtops/lind1004.jpg Pat > > Aurora's counter-rotated too and it was 1/48th but I agree about the > > rivets. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Pat I still have a piece or two of a 109 so I can tactilely refresh my memory. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > I still have a piece or two of a 109 so I can tactilely refresh my > memory. > Not to mention your eyesight with the wonderful metallic red color. Whoever designed that series of aircraft and box-top illustrations spent way too much time looking at how they were colored in comic books. :-D Pat > > Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. > > _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Craig It may be to let the clueless amongst us know that they will have to build it themselves. Heh, for awhile there I could have advertised myself as the 'home of 1500 unassembled model kits'. ;) Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. > _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pat that puts the USS Los Angeles at 32 inches.. Craig > that puts the USS Los Angeles at 32 inches.. > That hull for the Los Angeles would be a great starting point for building a WW I German Zeppelin bomber. I thought that USS Acron and USS MAcon were the only airships with Sparrowhawks. Anyone know othervise?  SignatureClaus Gustafsen Strandby Denmark mail me at claus@gustafsen.nu See my modeling at www.gustafsen.nu On Jan 7, 3:07 am, Pat Flannery <flan...@daktel.com> wrote: > Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. > _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Pat that puts the USS Los Angeles at 32 inches.. Craig SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > I thought that USS Acron and USS MAcon were the only airships with > Sparrowhawks. Anyone know othervise? > Tests were done off of the Los Angeles: http://aerostories.free.fr/appareils/compopara/page13.html Pat >Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. >_1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Pat i need a way bigger house. > Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. > _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Pat ...interesting...VERY interesting... Signature- Rufus >> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. >> _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >....interesting...VERY interesting... perhaps a t rex fighting the los angeles in downtown tokyo? >>> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. >>> _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > perhaps a t rex fighting the los angeles in downtown tokyo? I'm interested in that C-1...I imagine it would be a bear to research, too. Signature- Rufus > some...@some.domain wrote: > >>> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > -- > - Rufus maybe match that one up with a 1/72 flying boat? what kind of ship/ plane would support that sub? at least its for someone who has 6-7' for a diorama. Craig >> some...@some.domain wrote: >>>>> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Craig OHHH...OHHH - a 1/72 Serian!!! Signature- Rufus >>>> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. >>>> _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >I'm interested in that C-1...I imagine it would be a bear to research, too. the recently returned gernot could probably reccomend japanese resources. i'll look through my pile if you wish. >>>>> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. >>>>> _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > the recently returned gernot could probably reccomend japanese resources. > i'll look through my pile if you wish. I think j-aircraft.com also has a few Naval refs. Signature- Rufus >>>>>> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. >>>>>> _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >I think j-aircraft.com also has a few Naval refs. nothing in my pile. couldn't even find my glow-in-the-dark t rex. >>>>>>> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. >>>>>>> _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> > nothing in my pile. couldn't even find my glow-in-the-dark t rex. ...turn the lights out. Signature- Rufus >>>>>>>> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. >>>>>>>> _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >....turn the lights out. wizz azz. >>>>>>>>> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. >>>>>>>>> _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> > wizz azz. Sometimes I jus' cain't control it. Signature- Rufus >>>>>> In article <dBCgj.290246$Fc.120318@attbi_s21>, Rufus <not@home.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >Sometimes I jus' cain't control it. as a card carrying member of the sarcastic bastard and bad joke society, i quite understand. >>>>>> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. >>>>>> _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > I think j-aircraft.com also has a few Naval refs. I don't know of any refs directly on the C-1 submarines, possibly some of the Gakken series (there is one on the I-400 series of subs). Plenty of Maru issues on subs though, if you can find them. SignatureBOFH excuse #26: first Saturday after first full moon in Winter > I'm interested in that C-1...I imagine it would be a bear to research, > too. Photographic coverage of Japanese submarines during the war was skimpy at best. Pat >> I'm interested in that C-1...I imagine it would be a bear to research, >> too. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pat Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Airplanes are hard enough...I'd think subs would be invisible. Signature- Rufus > Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Airplanes are hard enough...I'd think > subs would be invisible. About your only hope would be allied photos of captured Japanese subs. This is kind of cool...the Kaiten crews set forth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9whi8Iiw_Y Pat >> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Airplanes are hard enough...I'd think >> subs would be invisible. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Pat rhere was a major japabese movie about them a few years ago. can't translate the name. > rhere was a major japabese movie about them a few years ago. can't translate > the name. > Deguchi no Nai Umi - "Sea Without Exit": http://www.hlj.com/product/FNMFS-1S There may be a video of the trailer here: http://movies.apple.com/movies/jp/movies/shochiku/deguchi/deguchi_trailer480x262a.mov Although my Quicktime version won't display it. There were two earlier movies involving Kaiten: http://www.weirdwildrealm.com/f-suicidesubmarine.html I think I saw that 1962 one on television as a kid. Pat >> rhere was a major japabese movie about them a few years ago. can't translate >> the name. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Pat thanks >> Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Airplanes are hard enough...I'd think >> subs would be invisible. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Pat ...I'm glad I speak just enough Spanish to follow that. Signature- Rufus > >> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. > >> _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > > perhaps a t rex fighting the los angeles in downtown tokyo? Down by the sub pens... Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> >> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. >> >> _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type A [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. at midnight? (apologies to gary numan) >>> perhaps a t rex fighting the los angeles in downtown tokyo? >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > (apologies to gary numan) > Here we go: http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7930/94540121xk2.jpg Crappy ol' S-boat takes on cranky ol' T-Rex. :-D How many of the oldsters around here remember this: http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/comicbooksub.jpg Yes, your very own two-man midget sub, just like the Japanese Type A and German Seehund! So you wait till the kids are in it, then shut the lights off in the room...then the ping-ping-ping of the destroyer sonar is heard in the darkness....and the first of the cherry bombs is hurled at the sub! Only then do the kids realize you've glued them in with no escape! Then the water starts going down the funnel into the periscope, and the pan of chlorine bleach with the fan over it lets them know that the seawater has reached the batteries and their time is short. It'll read great in the court records of the child custody case, and you'll never have to see the little monsters again! Freedom for only $6.98! :-D Pat >>>> perhaps a t rex fighting the los angeles in downtown tokyo? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Pat cool cardboard. we painted our black and put skull and xbones on it. and a no gurls allowed sign. > cool cardboard. we painted our black and put skull and xbones on it. > and a no gurls allowed sign. > I had this one, and thoroughly enjoyed it: http://freakcomics.com/images/posts/comicads/rocketship_lg.jpg The control levers were made out of Tinkertoys, and the "Astro-Star Map" was a Mercator projection of the heavens for use in determining latitude and longitude via a sextant. Pat >> cool cardboard. we painted our black and put skull and xbones on it. >> and a no gurls allowed sign. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Pat never saw that one live. did want one but... i know collectors have everything, so at least they still exist. wonder if there's a warehouse in joisey full? you've heard the hula hoop myth? supposedly some guy tryed to cash in on the hoop craze and ended up with a warehouse contianing several 100 thousand. if it was true, i suspect that old plastic would turn to dust if touched. > never saw that one live. did want one but... > i know collectors have everything, so at least they still exist. wonder if [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > if it was true, i suspect that old plastic would turn to dust if touched. > It's probably going to set you back a arm and a leg, but if you want one of those subs, this guy has one: http://www.houseoftheunusual.blogspot.com/ Pat >> never saw that one live. did want one but... >> i know collectors have everything, so at least they still exist. wonder if [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Pat i collect coins, so arms and legs and gramma were sold off long ago. after looking at his stuff, i suspect he wants more than pedal extremities, perhaps one's left testicle. he is out to play to the more money than brains set, doncha think? >>> never saw that one live. did want one but... >>> i know collectors have everything, so at least they still exist. wonder if [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > perhaps one's left testicle. > he is out to play to the more money than brains set, doncha think? Back when I was in high school, a couple local kids actually bought someones genuine metal, operating sub project and proceeded to finish it...I used to see it parked outside in the yard as I was riding the bus to Wheaton North for metal shop...it was yellow. Anyway, they finished it and wanted to try it out and found out that subs aren't allowed in the Great Lakes by treaty - story made the papers. I don't think anyone wanted to allow it into any of the local rivers either, or there wasn't a spot with suitable depth. They fought the fight for a bit, but I never did hear how it all came out. The sub disappeared, and I left for college. Signature- Rufus > >> cool cardboard. we painted our black and put skull and xbones on it. > >> and a no gurls allowed sign. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > warehouse contianing several 100 thousand. > if it was true, i suspect that old plastic would turn to dust if touched. More likely leaching plasticiser. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> >> cool cardboard. we painted our black and put skull and xbones on it. >> >> and a no gurls allowed sign. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. what did they use late 50's? it sure wasn't pets. i think. > >> >> cool cardboard. we painted our black and put skull and xbones on it. > >> >> and a no gurls allowed sign. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > what did they use late 50's? it sure wasn't pets. i think. vinyl, I believe. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> >> >> cool cardboard. we painted our black and put skull and xbones on it. >> >> >> and a no gurls allowed sign. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. too bad it wasn't cellulose.......boom. >>> what did they use late 50's? it sure wasn't pets. i think. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > too bad it wasn't cellulose.......boom. > One of the first things cellulose got used for was Pool balls. Players were mystified that they made odd "bang" noises when they hit, with a noticeable flash in a darkened room. Pat >>>> what did they use late 50's? it sure wasn't pets. i think. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Pat yep, and watch out for that moving expirience at the movies! on 1/9/2008 10:09 AM Pat Flannery said the following: >>>> what did they use late 50's? it sure wasn't pets. i think. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Pat They could explode too. Ping pong balls are still made of cellolose. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ > They could explode too. > Ping pong balls are still made of cellolose. Yeah, the ping-pong balls burn really well also, and have figured in many a home-made incendiary device. The Forest Service airdrops them with time delay ignition chemicals in them to start back-fires when fighting forest fires. Pat >>>> supposedly some guy tryed to cash in on the hoop craze and ended up with a >>>> warehouse contianing several 100 thousand. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > I looked it up; they were made of "Marlex": http://inventors.about.com/od/hstartinventions/a/Hula_Hoop.htm http://inventors.about.com/od/mstartinventions/a/Marlex.htm Twenty million in the first six months at $1.98 apiece in 1958 didn't exactly suck for sales profits. Two years in, they had sold over 100 million: http://www.loti.com/50s_fifties_hula_hoop.htm That may make it the most successful single-manufacturer product in U.S. history. And you know who's cranking them out now, don't you?: http://www.cyberimport.com/catalog/toy/classic_hula_hoop.htm Of course. Pat > I looked it up; they were made of "Marlex": > http://inventors.about.com/od/hstartinventions/a/Hula_Hoop.htm > http://inventors.about.com/od/mstartinventions/a/Marlex.htm Marlex is high density polyethelene, like is used for "soft" toy soldiers. While I was digging up info on plastics, I found the story of our great friend, polystyrene: http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blpolystyrene.htm Amazingly, it goes clean back to 1839 in its earliest form. Pat >>>>> supposedly some guy tryed to cash in on the hoop craze and ended up with a >>>>> warehouse contianing several 100 thousand. [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Pat big surprise. >> How many of the oldsters around here remember this:http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/comicbooksub.jpg > Pat wow , so many thanx for that pic. I remember as a kid trying to figure out what the sub was made of, and how I could talk my parents into getting me one. never did get one. who did? what was it like? Craig They were cardboard.I always wanted one,but I was a kid in the 70s reading my older brothers hand-me-down 60s comics.If I could have figured out how to send the order via time machine... http://www.doubleviking.com/bullet-points-10-more-weird-comic-book-ads-7096-p.html On Jan 8, 1:17 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > >> How many of the oldsters around here remember this:http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/comicbooksub.jpg > > Pat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Craig found some pics and a story http://www.boingboing.net/2007/06/14/photo-of-comic-book-.html http://www.michaelchuck.com/the_submarine.htm Does a copy of any of these things even still exist? > found some pics and a story > http://www.boingboing.net/2007/06/14/photo-of-comic-book-.html > http://www.michaelchuck.com/the_submarine.htm > Does a copy of any of these things even still exist? > Want to see a _really_ cool toy sub?: http://www.vulcaniasubmarine.com/NAUTILUS%20MINISUB.htm That's from here: http://www.vulcaniasubmarine.com/ Pat >> found some pics and a story >> http://www.boingboing.net/2007/06/14/photo-of-comic-book-.html [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Pat i want the bathtub that fits in...and the house......and the money. > Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. > _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type > A midget subs to go on them: > http://www.lindberg-models.com/water_model70818.html > http://www.lindberg-models.com/water_model70817.html > 58.5 inches long. Interesting! I notice though that the minisub is mounted the wrong way around: according to all my references and photos, the minisubs were mounted facing backwards (Gakken No. 35 is the best source, but there is one amazingly good photo on a Japanese website too). SignatureBOFH excuse #290: The CPU has shifted, and become decentralized. >> Wait till you see what Lindberg is bringing out. >> _1/72_ scale Japanese WW II C-1 class fleet subs with Kaitens and Type [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >mounted facing backwards (Gakken No. 35 is the best source, but there >is one amazingly good photo on a Japanese website too). hey, there's the lost prodigal! how are you g? > Interesting! I notice though that the minisub is mounted the wrong way > around: according to all my references and photos, the minisubs were > mounted facing backwards (Gakken No. 35 is the best source, but there > is one amazingly good photo on a Japanese website too). > I'm trying to remember... did they surface, put the crew aboard and the roll it off the back of the deck, or put the crew aboard and then submerge under it after releasing the attachment shackles? Interesting photo here: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/hydrodynamics/q0280.shtml Showing what is apparently the effect of the destroyer Monaghan's depth charges on a Type A midget: http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/hydrodynamics/pearl-harbor/i22tou.jpg Compressing the hull plating into something resembling a waffle iron. That seems to have happened to those one recovered from Sydney harbor also: http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/axis-conquers-philippines-30.jpg They really missed the boat in the details of that cutaway drawing. I found some price info on the models: Retail is $130.00 for I-20 and I-55, although Hobby Surplus Sales is charging $103.99 for them (they're on backorder). Pat >> Interesting! I notice though that the minisub is mounted the wrong way >> around: according to all my references and photos, the minisubs were [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the roll it off the back of the deck, or put the crew aboard and then > submerge under it after releasing the attachment shackles? That was one of the lessons learnt after the rushed Pearl Harbor operation. The Mod 1 versions that were built in the next stage had several improvements made, primarily the following: 1. Most imporantly, a connecting tube with hatches was made between the mother sub and the midget, allowing the crews to enter the vessel while the submarine was submerged. 2. net-cutting equipment was fitted to the noise and conning tower. Photos of trials of this are available, and this equipment was even more enlarged for the second operation which was much more thoroughly planned and rehearsed (Sydney and Diego Suarez). Range was thereby reduced by some 15%. 3. The caps over the torpedoes could be removed from inside the vessel. Previously the force of the launch of a torpedo was used to throw them off. The torpedo warhead also had netcutters in an interesting arrangmement (first time I saw it in any case). 4. The steering and rudder assemby was improved and turning radius reduced. 5. The compressed air supply needed for steering was improved to last longer. 6. The gyrocompass was made more reliable. 7. The electric system was rearranged. 8. Battery life extended. 9. Apart from a phone, a buzzer line was also added to the conection between midget and mother sub. 10. Steps were taken to reduce leakage of pressure from the torpedoes. Thereafter, in late 1942, the next type of midget, the Type 3 (Hei-kata) was tested and produced, for use in Guadalcanal, Kiska, and so on. The initial version had a 1 m hull extension added at the position of the aft section of the conning tower, while later production models simply had a longer main hull section. I haven't researched what other improvements were made there, and I also do not know of any model kits of these, unfortunately. I do know though, that after late 1942 the "kouhyouteki" (as the midget subs were known by code) were the longer variants, not the ones used at Pearl or Sydney/Madagascar. Regards, Gernot SignatureBOFH excuse #72: Satan did it > 8. Battery life extended. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > variants, not the ones used at Pearl or Sydney/Madagascar. > Considering how large they were, I'm really surprised the Japanese didn't add a simple diesel generator to keep the batteries charged if the sub rode on the surface at night, which would have greatly increased operational radius with very little added cost or complexity. Any idea what this minisub/suicide torpedo is?: http://modelstories.free.fr/histokits/BOFORD_KAMI_P/img18.jpg http://modelstories.free.fr/histokits/BOFORD_KAMI_P/img19.jpg I've never seen on like it before; some sort of prototype variant of the Kaiten? Pat > Any idea what this minisub/suicide torpedo is?: > http://modelstories.free.fr/histokits/BOFORD_KAMI_P/img18.jpg > http://modelstories.free.fr/histokits/BOFORD_KAMI_P/img19.jpg > I've never seen on like it before; some sort of prototype variant of > the Kaiten? Just answered my own question... it's a Kaiten Type 10: http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h78000/h78669.jpg Pat >> 8. Battery life extended. >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Any idea what this minisub/suicide torpedo is?: > http://modelstories.free.fr/histokits/BOFORD_KAMI_P/img18.jpg From Gakken Vol. 36 (Kairyu and Kaiten), unnumbered page: That's the Kaiten Type 10, a very simple kaiten using the Type 92 electric battery-powered torpedo as a base. The torpedo was divided into two parts, and a slightly fatter steering and control section adding between them. The one shown here is probably the experimental (first) prototype, in the mass-production type some changes were made, for instance the center-section bottom was no longer spherical but flat. The Type 92 torpedo had a speed of 30 knots, but the kaiten Type 10 could only manage 14 knots, so could not be applied against underway targets. It is thought that only either 2 or 6 examples were completed by war's end. 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