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Knud Laugesen - 14 Jan 2008 16:14 GMT
I'm going to build a Spitfire PR Mk. ID (or PR IV). Was this mark
equipped with the Mk. 1 early oill filter housing, or the filter
housing from a Mk. V?

My references notes that the early marks of recce Spitfires often were
reengined, but mentions nothing about the oilfilter. None of my
pictures gets close enough to get a clear view of the oil filter
housing.

I hope there's some Spitfire experts out there!

Knud Laugesen
Enzo Matrix - 14 Jan 2008 20:29 GMT
> I'm going to build a Spitfire PR Mk. ID (or PR IV). Was this mark
> equipped with the Mk. 1 early oill filter housing, or the filter
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> pictures gets close enough to get a clear view of the oil filter
> housing.

That's a very good question.  I have looked through "Spitfire: The History"
by Eric Morgan and Edward Shacklady and "Classic Warbirds: Merlin PR
Spitfires" by Wojtek Matusiak. While they have lots of photos of these
aircraft, in every case the oil cooler is in shadow. I had hoped that the
Morgan/Shacklady book would have some engineering drawings, but no such
luck.

So...  here's a bit of speculation.

The first two PR.IDs were hand built, converted from fighter Mk I aircraft.
The first aircraft was P9551 which was delivered on 21 September 1940.
P9552 was delivered on 26 February 1941. Both aircraft had Merlin III
engines as fitted to the Mk I.

The production run were designated PR.IV. They had Merlin 40 series engines,
as fitted to Mk Vs, even though the first aircraft were converted from Mk
Is.

Therefore I would speculate that the first two, hand-built, aircraft had the
same oil cooler as the Mk I.  The production aircraft probably had the Mk V
type cooler.  It seems pointless fitting the more powerful Merlin 40 to an
aircraft if you are going to hamper it by fitting a less efficient oil
cooler.

I must stress that the above is *speculation* on my part. I don't have any
evidence to support it.

The first two aircraft were never rebuilt to production standard. P9551 was
shot down on 2 Feb 1941 while operating from Malta while P9552 failed to
return from a mission on 10 May 1941.

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Enzo

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Chris Hughes - 14 Jan 2008 22:23 GMT
All the articles I've ever seen on converting Spitfire MkI's into the PR
aircraft have always made the point that the oil cooler was the MkV type.
There was a company in the UK who made resin conversion sets about 15 years
ago, I still have some and they've all got them.  I also recall an article
in an IPMS mag many years ago that made this claim.

HTH

Chris
Alan Dicey - 15 Jan 2008 14:00 GMT
> So...  here's a bit of speculation.
>
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> as fitted to Mk Vs, even though the first aircraft were converted from Mk
> Is.

All the references I can find say that the PR.IV had a Merlin 45/46, the
same engines fitted to the Mk.V.

In "Spitfire Mk.V Aces 1941-45" (Alfred Price, Osprey), the author
states that the first Mk.V's were converted from Mk.I's and II's but
that it was found that the Merlin 45 ran hotter and needed a new larger
oil cooler.  The larger cooler, with its fully circular intake, was
introduced as a change on the production line and also retrofitted to
all earlier Mk.V aircraft.  As all the PR.IV's were produced on the Mk.V
line, it seems certain that they all received the larger cooler.  It is
just possible, I suppose, that some PR.IV's were produced before the
modification was introduced, and flew for a while with the smaller cooler.

As you say, the PR.IV grew out of the Mk.ID, which had introduced a new
wing (the "D" wing) with carriage of fuel in the leading edges, deleted
guns and a 14 gallon oil tank in one of the port wing gunbays.  This
means it didn't have the deeper nose profile associated with some PR
Spitfires, as this was an alternative location for the larger oil tank,
and this was true for the PR.IV as well.
Knud Laugesen - 21 Jan 2008 18:22 GMT
>I'm going to build a Spitfire PR Mk. ID (or PR IV). Was this mark
>equipped with the Mk. 1 early oill filter housing, or the filter
>housing from a Mk. V?

Well, three of three suggest the Mk. V filter om most PR mk. IV's, so
I think I'll put one om my PR. Mk. IV.

I appreciate your help!

>Knud Laugesen
 
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