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Origin of Revells 1/72 SU-25 kit #04354?

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Tomcat - 14 Jan 2008 16:57 GMT
Hi,
does anyone know the origin of the kit which Revell is selling under
their #04354? The KP one?
Thanks.

Sincerely,

Martin
Jules - 14 Jan 2008 17:09 GMT
The old OEZ?  or something..i remember taking a look at it a year or so ago,
i had seen it before somewhere....v old and basic kit, cant remember how
good, but i walked away....

> Hi,
> does anyone know the origin of the kit which Revell is selling under their
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>
> Martin
Don McIntyre - 14 Jan 2008 17:27 GMT
> Hi,
> does anyone know the origin of the kit which Revell is selling under
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>
> Martin

Not sure about the kit number, but if it's the one molded in tan/brown
plastic, it's a Revell original.
Pat Flannery - 14 Jan 2008 22:27 GMT
>  
>> Hi,
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> plastic, it's a Revell original.
>  

Unless they got one from someone else, it's the old one from the 1980's.
And the armament layout shown on the new boxtop is the same as shown on
that kit:
http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/portland/971/Reviews/soviet/su-25.htm
http://www.modelairplaneinternational.com/full_site/images/news/revell/revell_04
354_boxtop.jpg

(Although that site says it's ex-Zvezda):
http://www.modelairplaneinternational.com/full_site/frames/news/revell.htm
If it's the old one, the mold was from the Japanese (?) company Kangnam
Plastics.
Revell released a MiG-31 Foxhound, Su-27 Flanker, and Yak-38 Forger at
the same time, with all the molds coming from the same company.
Accuracy was nowhere near as good as the KP one if that's the case.

Pat
Pat Flannery - 14 Jan 2008 21:41 GMT
> Hi,
> does anyone know the origin of the kit which Revell is selling under
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>
> Martin

Ah-ha, this one I know! That, their MiG-31 Foxhound, Su-27 Flanker, and
Yak-36 Forger started out as Takara kits.

Pat
jthmpson@arvotek.net - 15 Jan 2008 00:11 GMT
> Hi,
> does anyone know the origin of the kit which Revell is selling under
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Martin

This is a bit of a crapshoot - Revell did have their very own 1/72
Su-25 molds, years ago, but the kit was a typical Cold War era piece
of guesswork, and badly inaccurate. *If*, as one of the posts in this
thread suggests, the kit is a reboxing of the 1/72 Zvezda Su-25
(entirely possible - Revell, Italeri, and Zvezda are connected, and
share molds frequently), then it is much more accurate, and it is the
only "modern" 1/72 Su-25 kit currently available. It's not perfect
(the nose is a bit "snipey"-looking in side view, sort of like a
MiG-27), but generally it's a good, well-detailed kit. The old KP kit
is really the most accurate of any of them, though.

John
Pat Flannery - 15 Jan 2008 11:28 GMT
> It's not perfect
> (the nose is a bit "snipey"-looking in side view, sort of like a
> MiG-27), but generally it's a good, well-detailed kit. The old KP kit
> is really the most accurate of any of them, though.
>  

KP had the advantage of  being able to send its kit designers out to the
airfields and museums to get a close-up look at the real article, rather
than having to rely on NATO photos of them.
I find the fact that both the old and new Revell kit have the same
armament layout shown on the box top suggestive of the fact that this is
just the old kit being reissued. Of the four Soviet aircraft they
brought out together, it was the least inaccurate due to all the photos
of its use in Afghanistan.
This is interesting:
http://www.modelairplaneinternational.com/full_site/frames/news/revell.htm
They state that a lot of these aircraft are ex-Hasegawa molds.
Would Hasegawa turn over its molds to a competitor?

Pat
Don McIntyre - 15 Jan 2008 15:23 GMT
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> This is interesting:http://www.modelairplaneinternational.com/full_site/frames/news/revel...
> They state that a lot of these aircraft are ex-Hasegawa molds.
> Would Hasegawa turn over its molds to a competitor?
>
> Pat

While I wouldn't say Hasegawa "turned over" their molds to Revell
there was/is quite a bit of mold sharing between the two. Revell's
current ProModeller F-4E/Fs, for example, are from the Hasegawa molds.
I don't know if Revell is paying a license fee or what to Hasegawa,
but I'm sure there's some sort of fiscal transaction(s) going on here.
 It may just be an attempt to broaden the market for Hasegawa kits in
the USA and Europe. Also, these releases tend to be significantly
cheaper than the Hasegawa releases.
 Even so, I'm not sure if the molds were shipped to Revell, or if
Hasegawa does the molding and ships the plastic to Revell for release.
 Obviously I'm not speaking with any authority, this is just my
understanding of the way things are worked out.
 
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