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Mad-Modeller - 18 Jan 2008 04:18 GMT
We seem to have a problem losing oil trucks lately.  Two have been
stolen off the dealers' locked grounds in the past week.  The second one
was found parked empty in Washington DC.  Number one is still missing.
Should you see an oil tanker with "Denver, Pa." on the doors, would you
please alert your local authorities.
So far it seems mostly just about stealing oil but nowadays you can't
tell. :(

Bill Banaszak
someone@some.domain - 18 Jan 2008 05:33 GMT
>We seem to have a problem losing oil trucks lately.  Two have been
>stolen off the dealers' locked grounds in the past week.  The second one
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>
>Bill Banaszak

damn.
WmB - 18 Jan 2008 05:48 GMT
> We seem to have a problem losing oil trucks lately.  Two have been
> stolen off the dealers' locked grounds in the past week.  The second one
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>
> Bill Banaszak

They park them overnight with full bellies?  We've been on gas for years,
but when we were on oil I seem to recall the guy from the local oil service
telling me the drivers lost some time in the evenings because they had to
empty their tanks of any oil when they got back to the oil farm - for the
precise reason that because they were located on the rougher side of town
they'd likely be missing some trucks the next morning if they left them wet.
My dad was friends with the guy that ran the place - he told him some
interesting stories at the diner about what cold people were willing to do
to get oil.

On a side note, today, whenever there is a big upsurge in gas prices the
first thing that usually happens is they find the gas lines on some of the
parked scool buses cut and the tanks drained. Here they park them at the
school in unchained parking lots overnight.
For the time, money and aggravation of dealing with that, I'd invest in some
8 ft chain link fencing and at least try to scrape some of the bark off
their a.s as they dealt with that. A little current to the fence from one of
the bus batteries would be another little gift of mine.

Remote boat lots for apartments and condos are another prime target.  After
all, unless it's a rowboat, nobody brings a boat out of the water with a dry
tank.

WmB
CCBlack - 18 Jan 2008 13:35 GMT
> We seem to have a problem losing oil trucks lately.  Two have been
> stolen off the dealers' locked grounds in the past week.  The second one
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>
> Bill Banaszak

I read in the paper people are stealing catalytic converters from
parked automobiles now days.  The thieves want the precious metals
they contain so they can sell them at metal recycling centers.  They
just crawl underneath your auto and use a hacksaw. ( due to their high
ground clearance and easily-removed bolt-on catalytic converters,
Toyota pickups and SUV's are favorite targets )

You would think people could just get a job instead of resorting to
that sort of thing.
If you come out to your car and start it up and it all of a sudden
makes allot more noise than it used to ... you will know why now.

They get about $ 100 bucks at the junk yard.  In order to replace a
catalytic converter it will cost you around $ 1000.

How do you like them apples ?

Chris
Mad-Modeller - 19 Jan 2008 05:14 GMT
> > We seem to have a problem losing oil trucks lately.  Two have been
> > stolen off the dealers' locked grounds in the past week.  The second one
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>
> Chris

On a side note, there has been a tremendous upsurge in copper pipe theft
over in York County.  Any unoccupied building is being broken into and
relieved of its piping.  Heck, someone stole the copper downspouting
from St.Rose of Lima Catholic Church last year.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
maiesm72@netscape.com - 19 Jan 2008 05:29 GMT
On Jan 18, 11:05 pm, Mad-Modeller <checkrepl...@nextline.com> wrote:>
CCBlack wrote:> > > On Jan 18, 12:09 am, Mad-Modeller
<checkrepl...@nextline.com> wrote:> > > We seem to have a problem
losing oil trucks lately.  Two have been> > > stolen off the dealers'
locked grounds in the past week.  The second one> > > was found parked
empty in Washington DC.  Number one is still missing.> > > Should you
see an oil tanker with "Denver, Pa." on the doors, would you> > >
please alert your local authorities.> > > So far it seems mostly just
about stealing oil but nowadays you can't> > > tell. :(> > > > Bill
Banaszak> > > I read in the paper people are stealing catalytic
converters from> > parked automobiles now days.  The thieves want the
precious metals> > they contain so they can sell them at metal
recycling centers.  They> > just crawl underneath your auto and use a
hacksaw. ( due to their high> > ground clearance and easily-removed
bolt-on catalytic converters,> > Toyota pickups and SUV's are favorite
targets )> > > You would think people could just get a job instead of
resorting to> > that sort of thing.> > If you come out to your car and
start it up and it all of a sudden> > makes allot more noise than it
used to ... you will know why now.> > > They get about $ 100 bucks at
the junk yard.  In order to replace a> > catalytic converter it will
cost you around $ 1000.> > > How do you like them apples ?> > > Chris>
> On a side note, there has been a tremendous upsurge in copper pipe
theft> over in York County.  Any unoccupied building is being broken
into and> relieved of its piping.  Heck, someone stole the copper
downspouting> from St.Rose of Lima Catholic Church last year.> > Bill
Banaszak, MFE Sr.- Hide quoted text -> > - Show quoted text -Umm...is
somebody finally starting up a new American injection molded kit
company anywhere in the area?What with the price of oil it's about the
only way we'll see an American manufacturer any time soon. :-(Tom
someone@some.domain - 19 Jan 2008 06:51 GMT
>> > We seem to have a problem losing oil trucks lately.  Two have been
>> > stolen off the dealers' locked grounds in the past week.  The second one
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>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

does any of lima loco still exist, bill? you have any heydey photos?
i've seen interiors from baldwin. amazing.
Mad-Modeller - 20 Jan 2008 03:16 GMT
> >> > We seem to have a problem losing oil trucks lately.  Two have been
> >> > stolen off the dealers' locked grounds in the past week.  The second one
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> does any of lima loco still exist, bill? you have any heydey photos?
> i've seen interiors from baldwin. amazing.

To the best of my knowledge, Lima was headquartered in Ohio.  I know
there were many regional shops back in the 1800s.  There was one here in
Lancaster and I think it may be still standing.  If the one I think it
is, is it, it's now a transmission shop.
AFAIK, all of the trolley barns are now gone.  Wish now I'd gotten some
pics before they were trashed.  The trolley company still exists in the
form of a tour bus company.  The county runs the bus line and has for
the past 30 years.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
someone@some.domain - 20 Jan 2008 04:20 GMT
>> >> > We seem to have a problem losing oil trucks lately.  Two have been
>> >> > stolen off the dealers' locked grounds in the past week.  The second one
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>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

i forgot you not in oh. duh.
there were car barns in my old hood until the late 70's. the city sold the
property just before the real estate boom. i think nepotism made some folks
wealthy.
let me guess, no one wanted the bus line and the county got stuck?
Mad-Modeller - 22 Jan 2008 03:27 GMT
someone typed:
> i forgot you not in oh. duh.
> there were car barns in my old hood until the late 70's. the city sold > the property just before the real estate boom. i think nepotism made  > some folks wealthy.

PP&L owned the ground where the one on N.Prince stood.  They needed the
space for electrical equipment so it disappeared quickly in the '70s.
The main office out on E. Chestnut was sold to developers in the late
'80s.  We now have a couple of redundant shops there where there once
was a magnificent brick structure.

> let me guess, no one wanted the bus line and the county got stuck?

Ja wohl!  The bus company was losing money right and left and wanted
out.  They had buses (GMs) as old, if not older than me and they always
sounded like they were breaking up going over the ratty streets we had
here.  If the county hadn't stepped in there would be no bus service
here at all.  The county immediately ordered new Flxibles and I
discovered motion sickness for the first time in a bus.  The seats were
hard as hell too. ;]
I don't think I've ridden a bus for 8 or 9 years now.  They don't go
where I need to.

BTW, the local locomotive company was Norris Locomotives.  Apparently
they built a few for the Reading RR before 1900.

Bill Bnaszak, MFE Sr.
someone@some.domain - 22 Jan 2008 04:38 GMT
>someone typed:
>> i forgot you not in oh. duh.
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>'80s.  We now have a couple of redundant shops there where there once
>was a magnificent brick structure.
yeah, more starbucks and store 24's!

>> let me guess, no one wanted the bus line and the county got stuck?
>
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>
>Bill Bnaszak, MFE Sr.

never heard of them. good new search, yee haa.
buses in this town are a myth. i see skeletons at the bus stops and homeless
shacks.
Gray Ghost - 19 Jan 2008 04:07 GMT
Mad-Modeller <checkreplyto@nextline.com> wrote in news:47904288.4E88BC01
@nextline.com:

> We seem to have a problem losing oil trucks lately.  Two have been
> stolen off the dealers' locked grounds in the past week.  The second one
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>
> Bill Banaszak

Jeez, I used to "wargame" this scenario with someone whose job was to think
the unthinkable. None of the outcomes were good. Though I do think the
jihadis tend to overplan, the simpler scenarios seemed to be more effective.
Hell if you don't plan to get out of the truck anyway...

Frank
Pat Flannery - 20 Jan 2008 10:02 GMT
> Jeez, I used to "wargame" this scenario with someone whose job was to think
> the unthinkable. None of the outcomes were good. Though I do think the
> jihadis tend to overplan, the simpler scenarios seemed to be more effective.
> Hell if you don't plan to get out of the truck anyway...
>  

That's the first thought that came into my head also; once the oil is
out of the tanker, something else goes in the tanker.
Or simply take the thing and make it into a self-mobile incendiary bomb.

Pat
 
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