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Model Forum / General / Models / February 2008Lindberg HMS Hood = Ironic Find
Hi there. I was given a Lindberg 1/400 scale kit of the HMS Hood. I have yet to find a part in this kit that looks like any thing like any thing on the real HMS Hood did. I was just looking tonight on the web for any reviews etcetera about this kit. In Goodle's Search Window I typed lindberg - hms hood. Talk about irony. The first item that appears is a link to (are you ready for this?) HMS Hood Battleship 1/400 Scale Model Kit by Lindberg. www.monstersinmotion.com... I am going to try and acquire the 1/350 scale HMS Hood kit from Trumpeter. I saw it advertised the other day for $79.95 US. It is a model of the HMS Hood as she appeared at The Battle Of The Denmark Straits. I saw a great, I mean a fantastic build up of the Airfix 1/600 scale HMS Hood the other day on http://www.modellmarine.de. It is amazing what some can do with even a small size kit. Cheers from Peter >Hi there. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Cheers from Peter if you don't want the lindberg kit, i'll glad pay for the shipping. i like lindberg kits. it's not rare and this is not a scam. On Jan 29, 9:51 pm, some...@some.domain wrote: > In article <18ba547b-512c-457a-b1be-03c84fd2a...@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, TankBuild...@yahoo.ca wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Hi there and thanks. Unfortunately for you it is under construction, It has been on again and off again for a while. It is going to be radio controlled so the lack of detail will not be as bad as it it was to be a static display model. Cheers from Peter >On Jan 29, 9:51=A0pm, some...@some.domain wrote: >> In article <18ba547b-512c-457a-b1be-03c84fd2a...@l32g2000hse.googlegroups.= [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >Cheers from Peter hey, as long as it isn't rotting in a space unloved, i'm happy. post some pics for us, ok? > if you don't want the lindberg kit, i'll glad pay for the shipping. i like > lindberg kits. > it's not rare and this is not a scam. > I bought that kit and the Bismarck down at our local Woolworth store for around $3.50 each on the same day back around 1972. Neither of them is very accurate (the Hood was far worse), but boy, did I ever have fun making them. Those were the Grand Olde Days of my model-building hobby. Boy, it's remembering stuff like that that makes me realize just how old I am. I've been around for well over 1/5 of the entire history of the United States. sh.t, I should be fossilized by now. :-) Pat > > if you don't want the lindberg kit, i'll glad pay for the shipping. i like > > lindberg kits. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Pat Stepping outside tonight would be a start. ;) Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> sh.t, I should be fossilized by now. :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Stepping outside tonight would be a start. ;) > It's actually warmer tonight than last night; only -7 F at the moment - it bottomed out at -23 F last night. Pat > >> sh.t, I should be fossilized by now. :-) > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Pat "We're havin' a heat wave, a tropical heat wave." Looks like you missed the big snow coming in to Chicago and Indiana. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > Hi there. > > I was given a Lindberg 1/400 scale kit of the HMS Hood. I have yet to > find a part in this kit that looks like any thing like any thing on > the real HMS Hood did. > The turrets are very odd-looking indeed on that one. Dies it have the strange steering system intact? Interesting concept - at some point the model itself becomes of significant historical interest, despite its lack of accuracy in regards to its subject, like the old tin-plated wind-up battleship toys that only vaguely resembled the real things. I have a Monogram 1/32nd scale model Apollo CSM. There are serious accuracy problems with the kit in regards to what the instruction sheet tells you to paint it like, and the gold plating on the CM, but I painted it exactly as the instructions said. Why? Because although it's not a very accurate model of a Apollo CSM, it's a very accurate replica of what a young modeler would have built from the Monogram model of a Apollo CSM forty years ago going by the instruction sheet. The model itself is a historical artifact with its own history - independent of the space program or the real Apollo spacecraft; like the relationship between the 1/72 scale ID models of WW II aircraft and the real things. This would be a fascinating thing to discuss here. Do the old models themselves, accurate or not, have inherent worth due to their age and the part in the history of model building that they are part of? Do you want to fix the errors on them, or should they be built exactly as designed for the sake of historical accuracy in regards to the kits themselves? Pat > The turrets are very odd-looking indeed on that one. > Dies it have the strange steering system intact? Don't you just love to get smart-a.s and subtle with your language...and then f.ck up like that? It's karma, I tell ya. It'll get you every time. :-D Pat > > The turrets are very odd-looking indeed on that one. > > Dies it have the strange steering system intact? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Pat It's probably happened to me here at least one hand's worth of fingers. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > This would be a fascinating thing to discuss here. > Do the old models themselves, accurate or not, have inherent worth due > to their age and the part in the history of model building that they are > part of? Some of them would certainly have historic value, but I doubt you'll find any consensus as to which kits qualify and for what reason. Perhaps it is more a matter for special interest groups within the hobby. To an Airfix fan (to pick a not unlikely example), a particular kit might have significance, while at the same time being just so much old junk to another modeler. Personally, I think the chances are better that some kit may have sentimental value to a given modeller, which is of course the same thing on a smaller scale. > Do you want to fix the errors on them, or should they be built exactly > as designed for the sake of historical accuracy in regards to the kits > themselves? If I feel a kit qualifies as having either historic or sentimetal value, I would certainly try to build it straight out of the box (I've done just that with one kit, and have several in the stash that will get this treatment). If I were to take this one step further, I would try to get two copies of the kit in question, and display them together, one unbuilt, the other built straight out of the box to the best of my abilities, with the box as a backdrop. I'd need a heck of a lot more time, a much bigger house, and preferably an audience to make that worth while though (I'm not rich enough to be excentric enough to do this). Rob > If I feel a kit qualifies as having either historic or sentimetal value, I > would certainly try to build it straight out of the box (I've done just [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > enough to be excentric enough to do this). > This is what I was talking about. This would be a fascinating topic to discuss here on the newsgroup, especially for the "old boys" who can remember the models that came out in the the late 1950's-early 1960s...and they bought as kids. Do you buy them again if you find one, and never build it? Build them as they were designed to be built at the time they were issued - to recapture a bit of the past; or try to fix them up to today's standards? Pat > > If I feel a kit qualifies as having either historic or sentimetal value, I > > would certainly try to build it straight out of the box (I've done just [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Pat It depends on the kit, I suppose. The Aurora F7U Cutlass turned out to be a 1:72 (or damned close to it) F7U-1 (and who else made one of those?). The decals were for the Naval Testing Station, making the model one of an obvious prototype. I built the model "as is" and painted it Navy Blue, with silver over the rear fuselage, over the afterburner. The instruction sheet called for it to be painted ala the box art, which showed the later sea grey over light grey coloring of the later 1950s. The only repair work needed was because of poor molding to the wings (both of them) where the plastic at center of the wing at the root didn't flow completely into the mold. It was repaired with lots of Green Stuff. Oh yeah, locomotive-style rivet heads to, lots of 'em, were removed. Other than that, it was a quick, easy and fun build. > > > If I feel a kit qualifies as having either historic or sentimetal value, I > > > would certainly try to build it straight out of the box (I've done just [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > were removed. > Other than that, it was a quick, easy and fun build. Must have been quite a few came out that way as my last one purchased was in the same shape. Still have the first one and that's undergoing restoration using some parts from the second. I also have the Revell 1/64th kit. The model had been built and I got it secondhand. I stripped it down and reassembled it, painting it Gloss Gull Grey over Gloss White. Seams and irregularities were smoothed over. I haven't gotten beyond that point but I believe I'll use decals from stock here to make it look like a publicity photo model. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. . > I have a Monogram 1/32nd scale model Apollo CSM. > There are serious accuracy problems with the kit in regards to what the > instruction sheet tells you to paint it like, and the gold plating on the > CM, but I painted it exactly as the instructions said. Actually there's an interetsting story (supposedly) about the gold color. All of the available photos in space and pre-launch show a shiny silver CM. But the story is that the Monogram design team visited the Johnson Space Center to get details from the CM on display there - one that actually flew. The heat of reentry caused the silver to tarnish or "yellow". They thought Gold was the original color. There's a whole bunch of similar stories - the 1/72 Leopold with welded on lift rings and no breach assembly. The Germans trashed the breach to prevent the gun being used by the Allies - and the lift rings were welded on by US Army Engineers so it could be lifted on a ship for transit to America after the war. A decal for an oil leak stain on the Nacelle of a E-2A. Panel lines that match the mockup or the early flight test birds. Operational aircraft with the flight test boom mounted in front. Bombs painted like practice units. Tamiya adding a volkwagen hub cab on a spare tire on a WW II kubelwagen. I'm kind of wrestling with one of these questions now - to paint a Bonstell moon ship like he painted it (19950s) or with actual thermal protection coating colors like used on Apollo. Val Kraut > I'm kind of wrestling with one of these questions now - to paint a Bonstell > moon ship like he painted it (19950s) or with actual thermal protection > coating colors like used on Apollo. > Is this a winged Bonestell rocket or one of the big unstreamlined landers like a super LM? I ran into the same problem when I scratchbuilt a 1/72 scale Sanger Antipodal bomber a couple of decades ago. Should it have some sort of thermal protection on the nose and wing leading edges? I painted them to resemble graphite and added wingtip reaction control thrusters as the vehicle would need someway to keep itself oriented after its intial climb out of the atmosphere. Pat Kind of both - a winged return crew shuttle craft on top and lots of open tankage below it. - with a small crane to ditch the landing tanks before take -off Val Kraut "Pat Flannery" <flanner@daktel.com> wrote in message > Is this a winged Bonestell rocket or one of the big unstreamlined > landers like a super LM? > Kind of both - a winged return crew shuttle craft on top and lots of open > tankage below it. - with a small crane to ditch the landing tanks before [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Sounds a bit like the lunar lander used in the old "Men into Space" television show. > Kind of both - a winged return crew shuttle craft on top and lots of open > tankage below it. - with a small crane to ditch the landing tanks before [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> landers like a super LM? >> I've seen paintings of that one. Pat > There's a whole bunch of similar stories - the 1/72 Leopold with welded > on lift rings and no breach assembly. The Germans trashed the breach to > prevent the gun being used by the Allies - and the lift rings were welded > on by US Army Engineers so it could be lifted on a ship for transit to > America after the war. Ouch, never noticed that as I haven't built mine yet. I don't suppose there is an AM breech or is it easily scratchable? Reckon Trump will get it right? Frank |
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