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Stanley Parker - 05 Feb 2008 14:59 GMT
Am currently building a Hasagawa 1/32 scale A-4E/F. I know there area few
CAM and a couple of Superescale A-4 sheets out. Does anyone know of any
other companies tha make 1/32 scale decals for the A-4. Time period would be
late 1967 early 1968. Also are there any Marine decal sheets available.
Thanks for the help.

Stan Parker
Don McIntyre - 05 Feb 2008 21:47 GMT
On Feb 5, 8:59 am, "Stanley Parker"
<stanleyjohnfinanpar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Am currently building a Hasagawa 1/32 scale A-4E/F. I know there area few
> CAM and a couple of Superescale A-4 sheets out. Does anyone know of any
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>
> Stan Parker

Sky's Decals has some for Israeli aircraft:

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=SY3206

http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=SY3228

You might also try browsing the FlightDecs site:

http://www.flightdecs.ca/decal.html
Pat Flannery - 06 Feb 2008 21:28 GMT
> On Feb 5, 8:59 am, "Stanley Parker"
> <stanleyjohnfinanpar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
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>
> Sky's Decals has some for Israeli aircraft:

Speaking of Israeli A-4s, I once read that they attached a metal
extension on the afterburner nozzle to detonate SA-7 "Grail" missiles
before they got deep enough into the engine to down the aircraft. Is
that true, and are there any photos of that modification on the web?

Pat
Don McIntyre - 06 Feb 2008 22:04 GMT
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> Speaking of Israeli A-4s, I once read that they attached a metal
> extension on the afterburner nozzle to detonate SA-7 "Grail" missiles
> before they got deep enough into the engine to down the aircraft. Is
> that true, and are there any photos of that modification on the web?
>
> Pat

Pat, yes it's true. If you look at Hobbycraft's 1/48th A-4E/H kit,
you'll see the extension on the box art. You may find some photos if
you google around for Israeli A-4s. Airliners.net may be a good place
to check.

This site may be worth a look, too:

http://kfir.hobbyvista.com/
Pat Flannery - 07 Feb 2008 02:07 GMT
> Pat, yes it's true. If you look at Hobbycraft's 1/48th A-4E/H kit,
> you'll see the extension on the box art. You may find some photos if
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> http://kfir.hobbyvista.com/
>  

Thanks, that should be fun to go through.
I really would have liked to see that F-4 they modified with the two
F100 engines at a airshow, that thing must have moved like a raped ape.

Pat
Dave Williams - 06 Feb 2008 23:02 GMT
>> On Feb 5, 8:59 am, "Stanley Parker"
>> <stanleyjohnfinanpar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
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>
> Pat

All Israeli A-4s got the extended tailpipe mode after the Yom Kippur war.
The problem was so much with the SA-7s damaging the engine itself, it was
the damage to the rudder and elevator controls in the tail, which would
cause a loss of control.  The tailpipe extension moved the detonation
farther back, so the blast wouldn't destroy the tail.  BTW, A-4s don't have
an afterburner, just a long tailpipe.  HTH.

http://www.pbase.com/xnir/image/54395482
http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/isaac_gershman/a-4e/images/a-4e_15_of_24.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0841989&size=L
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0764512&size=L

Dave
Pat Flannery - 07 Feb 2008 02:31 GMT
> All Israeli A-4s got the extended tailpipe mode after the Yom Kippur war.
> The problem was so much with the SA-7s damaging the engine itself, it was
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> http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0764512&size=L
>  
Ya got me there; for some reason I thought the A-4 could go supersonic.
That's a fairly slick piece of modification work on the Israeli's part.
It would be interesting to know who first came up with the idea.
The aircraft I was always surprised the Israelis didn't buy was the A-10.
price per aircraft wouldn't be that high, so a large number could be
aquired at a fairly low cost.
The clear skies in the area would work well with the A-10's daylight
flying capabilities, although engine thrust might suffer in the desert heat.
It would make a interesting hypothetical model project. They would be
bound to soup it up in some ways, and it would be fun to figure out what
they would add.
You would think that would  be perfect for close-in air support for
their tanks and troops, as well as giving the ability to rapidly engage
a large number of incoming hostile tanks in a surprise attack, like
happened in 1973.

Pat
Don McIntyre - 07 Feb 2008 14:09 GMT
> > All Israeli A-4s got the extended tailpipe mode after the Yom Kippur war.
> > The problem was so much with the SA-7s damaging the engine itself, it was
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>
> Pat

I don't think it's so much the Israelis wouldn't buy the A-10, I don't
think the US Gov't/USAF were willing to give them up. I agree with you
that it would seem a natural for the IDF.
 Other than maybe some avionics changes, I really don't see that they
would need to soup it up much. IMHO it would be the perfect plane for
them pretty much as is. Altho, I guess adding GPS would be worthwhile,
maybe the LASTE mods for current USAF aircraft.
 You're right, it would make a great "what if."
Dave Williams - 07 Feb 2008 23:29 GMT
>> > All Israeli A-4s got the extended tailpipe mode after the Yom Kippur
>> > war.
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> maybe the LASTE mods for current USAF aircraft.
>  You're right, it would make a great "what if."

I number of people seem to be doing IDF what-if builds using twin seater
A-10 kits.
Don McIntyre - 08 Feb 2008 14:38 GMT
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> I number of people seem to be doing IDF what-if builds using twin seater
> A-10 kits.

I believe it. That's one of those things I've been thinking about
doing for the past 20 years, I think. lol Altho, why the rush on the 2-
seaters I can't figure out. I think Israeli pilots are quite capable
of doing the job without a back seater. Altho, I guess of you're
thinking night attack it kind of makes sense.
 
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