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Mad-Modeller - 06 Feb 2008 01:54 GMT
Anybody have more?

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Rufus - 06 Feb 2008 01:55 GMT
> Anybody have more?
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> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

Uh...yeah...a LOT more: 206.

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Mad-Modeller - 06 Feb 2008 03:16 GMT
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Cr-a-ap.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
someone@some.domain - 06 Feb 2008 03:21 GMT
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>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
the verizon news server is cr-a-p.
and god help you if you call the 800 number trying to get help with it.
all they will or can tell you is, "first get your windows disc..." then it
goes horribly wrong.
Mad-Modeller - 07 Feb 2008 03:39 GMT
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> all they will or can tell you is, "first get your windows disc..." then it
> goes horribly wrong.

Heh, haven't got a clue where the windoze disc is.  Probably lost
somewhere in the son's house.  Lately that's where everything I lose
goes to vanish forever. ;]

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
someone@some.domain - 07 Feb 2008 05:22 GMT
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>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

cash, too? children are great for that.
Mad-Modeller - 07 Feb 2008 06:02 GMT
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> cash, too? children are great for that.

Ah, yes.  The son has been a regular black hole for money since he was a
teenager.  One of the things I discovered amongst my father's papers was
a list of everything he lent to his grandson.  I think I'll keep it for
emotional blackmail. ;)
The daughter has not been a rerun in this case.  She takes care of
herself and her family on her own.  Obviously I learned all the mistakes
with the 'prototype' and didn't repeat them on the 'improved model'. ;)

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
someone@some.domain - 07 Feb 2008 06:07 GMT
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>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

reminds me of first super-detailed kit i built. twice.
Pat Flannery - 07 Feb 2008 08:12 GMT
> reminds me of first super-detailed kit i built. twice.
>  

You think that's bad?
Read this: http://tinyurl.com/3yvxrd
I sat there for around five seconds in complete shock...realizing that
actually _had_ happened, then started jumping up and down on the
concrete basement floor so hard I had sore feet the next day.
The end result of the experience was good, although the Valley Forge was
gone.
It took me around a generation to do it, but I always knew that
_someday_ I'd build a spacecraft model bigger than that, and a lot
better done.
And I did do that... it's around six inches longer (on purpose)...and
it's not in a case: http://www.starshipmodeler.com/gallery/pf_disc.htm
Live and learn.
Of course, it's around time for its yearly washing... and sooner or
later, something goes wrong while taking it down from over my bed and
getting it into the shower, and then getting it back into place over the
bed.
Nowadays, I'd think that was funny, and indeed a Zen lesson about the
transitory aspect of all things in the world. :-D
I'd miss it a bit, but when it came right down to it, not all that much.
After all, it, like Camelot, is just a model.

Pat
willshak - 07 Feb 2008 13:40 GMT
on 2/7/2008 3:12 AM Pat Flannery said the following:

>> reminds me of first super-detailed kit i built. twice.
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> Pat

I had a number of built models that were stored in large cardboard boxes
under my basement stairs for over 20 years. Even though they had tops on
the boxes, they got pretty dusty. Some of the dust had attached itself
to the models so well that compressed air couldn't blow all of it off.
I sprayed each model with Windex and let it sit for a few seconds, then
ran warm tap water over it.  They cleaned up very well without having to
brush the model off and brushing off small parts as well.

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someone@some.domain - 07 Feb 2008 16:21 GMT
>on 2/7/2008 3:12 AM Pat Flannery said the following:
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>ran warm tap water over it.  They cleaned up very well without having to
>brush the model off and brushing off small parts as well.

good tip!
someone@some.domain - 07 Feb 2008 16:21 GMT
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>Pat
i would love to build about a 6 foot version of the rodger young during a
drop, with trooper's capsu;es slamming down. wheneve i read an account of a
drop, i can see it perfectly in my head.
the one ry model i've seen wasn't what i'd imagined. big surprise....
Pat Flannery - 08 Feb 2008 22:24 GMT
> i would love to build about a 6 foot version of the rodger young during a
> drop, with trooper's capsu;es slamming down. wheneve i read an account of a
> drop, i can see it perfectly in my head.
> the one ry model i've seen wasn't what i'd imagined. big surprise....
>  

I never pictured it that way either. I thought it would be something
like a big lifting body that slammed belly first into the atmosphere to
slow down, dropped the landing capsules, then climbed vertically out of
the atmosphere back into space.
A cutaway model of one of those landing capsules in the book would be
interesting in its own right.
If they ever want to do a powersuit, this would be a good piece of
machinery to base the design on: http://www.sub-find.com/newt_suit.htm
Or a more streamlined version: http://www.nuytco.com/products/exosuit.shtml

Pat
someone@some.domain - 09 Feb 2008 00:24 GMT
>> i would love to build about a 6 foot version of the rodger young during a
>> drop, with trooper's capsu;es slamming down. wheneve i read an account of a
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>Pat
no, not an atmospehric vehicle. read the drop scene again. i see her as a clip
and ejector setup. the caps get fed into a cat and as he said, WHAM!
the living section would be hung onto that mech. might be symmetric, might
not. i could see early in the bug war there might be several types until they
get their essex-analogue. could see cvl and jeeps for hitting airless bases.
different capsules for different jobs, only relation the launcher...you could
make a capsule for any kind of assault.
even a tea and crumpet special for diplomatic invasions....add some retief for
fun.
Pat Flannery - 09 Feb 2008 18:30 GMT
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> and ejector setup. the caps get fed into a cat and as he said, WHAM!
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In the book they state that a good dropship pilot will match the speed
of a planet's rotation and drop the capsules straight down onto the
target. That means the dropship is going considerably slower that
orbital speed at release, so one way or another  it will be falling
toward the planet. You could this slowdown maneuver either via rocket
braking or aerodynamic means.
Aerodynamically would let the capsules be ejected at lower altitude  and
save fuel on the dropship.
It would also look very neat in a movie.
An interesting question is how capsules are landed on airless moons, as
in the book they rely on aerodynamic means to brake their fall towards
the surface before opening to release the mobile infantryman.

> the living section would be hung onto that mech. might be symmetric, might
> not. i could see early in the bug war there might be several types until they
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> fun.
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Remember though that the capsule disintegrates before landing to
generate radar chaff. So that just the trooper in his powersuit with his
weapons ends up on the ground.
I may know where this idea came from. The Snark intercontinental cruise
missile had a separate warhead that would release near its target and
fall supersonically on it...the rest of the aircraft like-body would
then pitch violently upwards and break up to generate clutter on the
enemy radar.
Although you could make capsules for all sorts of assaults, carrying a
wide variety could take up a fair amount of room aboard a
dropship...maybe whatever type is needed is loaded aboard before a
specific operation via a supply ship.
Here's a neat little item; back before the book, "Starship Troopers" was
"Starship Soldier" and published  in The magazine Of Fantasy And Science
Fiction; here's the cover art of what Mobile Infantry looked like when
Heinlein first wrote the story:
http://www.wegrokit.com/mfsf1159.jpg

Pat
someone@some.domain - 10 Feb 2008 01:32 GMT
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you can match rotational speed without entering atmosphere. easily. the comm
sats are about 24k out, way beyond air.
parts or layers of the caps disintegrate. the final is blown off by the
troope. landing on an airless body just requires rockets to slow the descent
enough for the suit to handle the landing.
the book was serialized in 58 and release in full in 59, so i supect heinlein
was as he stated, influenced by aircraft carriers the most. he also said there
were specialized varietys of capsule including defensless ones for diplomatic
or already pacified areas.
ships like the ry carried more than one type, though they would be mission
specific for many operations. boy scout rule.
taking rah literally is safest. he calls a dog a dog and killer a killer.
he was prett specific.
i've read st about 50 times and may do it again before bedtime tonight.
the movie was ok as a hollywood movie but lousy heinlein. no suits or
caps....like no spaceship in puppet masters. how did the slugs land, osmosis?
Pat Flannery - 07 Feb 2008 09:05 GMT
>> cash, too? children are great for that.
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> emotional blackmail. ;)
>  

I hate to admit this, but my way of getting money out of my parents for
models closely resembled Cartman's technique from South Park.
If you whine enough, they'll get you the model just to get you to shut
the hell up. :-D

Pat
someone@some.domain - 07 Feb 2008 16:22 GMT
>>> cash, too? children are great for that.
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>Pat
for me, getting a job was a lot easier.
Mad-Modeller - 09 Feb 2008 07:39 GMT
> >>> cash, too? children are great for that.
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> >Pat
> for me, getting a job was a lot easier.

Same here.  Dad had the talent of making you feel bad for having
disappointed him.  I never could get that to work on mine.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Rufus - 09 Feb 2008 18:32 GMT
>>>>> cash, too? children are great for that.
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> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

...I mowed lawns and washed cars.  Then, when I got to high school and
found out I could get school credit for doing essentially the same thing
I was doing building models by taking jewelry and metal smithing
classes, I said - "sign me up".  Then I got into my first scholastic
spring art show, made money selling my stuff, and I said - "sign me up
AGAIN!"  And again, and again, and again.

My art teacher never knew until I told him during my senior year that I
had been spending all of the money I was making selling jewelry on model
airplanes.

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WmB - 06 Feb 2008 06:21 GMT
> Anybody have more?
>
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

I've got 81 messages time stamped 2/5.

WmB
Stephen Tontoni - 06 Feb 2008 10:31 GMT
> Anybody have more?
>
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

Best that I can tell, about 100 and some change came in on 2/5. Not very
busy stuff.

--- Stephen
Don Stauffer in Minnesota - 06 Feb 2008 14:08 GMT
> Anybody have more?
>
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

I am seeing 75 today. Of course, it depends somewhat on exactly what
time you check, but this does seem to be a better day than some
lately.  I wouldn't mind if we had this number every day.
Alan Dicey - 07 Feb 2008 08:21 GMT
> Anybody have more?

84 for 5th February here
Disco58 - 08 Feb 2008 02:24 GMT
I read this forum through Talkabout Network, if anyone is familiar with
that.  I see the list of the latest 100 topics (undated)with authors, with
the newest at the top (which theoretically could be weeks old), but there
is no indication of what's new in the way of replies, or how many total
posts there are.  Here's the URL I get in the address box--
http://www.talkaboutcrafting.com/group/rec.models.scale

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