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Update on my 1/400 scale Lindberg HMS HOOD

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TankBuilder2@yahoo.ca - 10 Feb 2008 13:10 GMT
Hi there.

Well work has commenced on this,ahem!, Lindberg model of HMS HOOD.

First I have decided that all I want is a reasonably HMS HOOD model to
muck about on the pond with this spring and summer. It would be nice
if the model were atractive to display when out of the water as well.

I have done quite a bit of on-line research since my posting earlier
regarding the irony of the HMS HOOD kit by Lindberg.

Some thing else I found last night that struck me as particlarly
Ironic was that HMS HOOD was the *THIRTEENTH* (and last)Battle Cruiser
ordered for the Royal Navy.

I have found quite a bit of information online both text and images
including 11 *COLOUR* photos of the 1/64 scale 'Builder's Model' which
portray HMS HOOD as she was *PLANNED* to be built.

I have decided I will be building this kit as HMS HOOD appeared in the
1920s. The secondary armament and the smaller guns included in the
Lindberg kit are more suited to this time period.

My model of HMS HOOD is going to be radio controlled. The 2 outside
kit props, attached to 1/16 in brass rods, will provide the driving
power via direct drive provided by 2 inexpensive electric motors
coupled to the shafts. I might add the 2 inboard motos at a later
date. I will be constructing them the same as the 2 outboard shafts
when I do them.

Because of the 1/64 scale 'Builders Model' images I now know what the
15 inches turrets are supposed to look like. I have reshaped the
Lindberg turets to more closely resemble these. I have also made 8
guns for the 15 inches turrets from brass tubing nestled inside each
other. Even unpainted they look good. I might make them out of
aluminium tubing instead since last night I found photos showing that
in the 1920s the 15 inches guns were brightly polished near the
muzzles.

I have already started the 4 new 15 inches main turret gun mounts. The
Lindberg kit as built out-of-the-box would have 'A' and 'Y' turrets
sitting flush on the decks. I have found 4 plastic bottles that once
had tubes of CA glue in them that are exactly the right diameter. I
will be adding some detail to them. I have another plastic bottle that
is slightly smaller in diameter and is tapered that I have glued some
sand paper on to. I am using this to ream out the holes on the fore-
deck and the quarter deck for the 15 inches gun mounts.

I am off to the hobby store later today for some i/16 in brass rod and
the tubing that it will fit into so I can start the drive shafts. I
think I will get  the aluminium tubing for the 15 inches gun barrels
too.

I have found enough ships boats that are close enough in size to
outfit the boat deck.

All in all it looks like this will be a fun project after all.

I'll be testing the model in the tub and will run it in  the pond once
the ice covering it has melted.

I am off now to commence scribing the deck planking on the fore deck,
the quarter deck and the boat deck. The planks will be about 1/32 in
wide in this scale. Not exact perhaps but close enough.

Cheers from Peter
Pat Flannery - 10 Feb 2008 14:50 GMT
> Because of the 1/64 scale 'Builders Model' images I now know what the
> 15 inches turrets are supposed to look like.

The ones in the kit make it look like the turret crew have to crawl
around on their knees, they're so flat.

> I am off now to commence scribing the deck planking on the fore deck,
> the quarter deck and the boat deck. The planks will be about 1/32 in
> wide in this scale. Not exact perhaps but close enough.
>  

Evergreen makes scribed styrene plastic sheet in a lot of different
scribe widths; that might save a lot of trouble:
http://www.evergreenscalemodels.com/

Pat
TankBuilder2@yahoo.ca - 10 Feb 2008 21:08 GMT
> TankBuild...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > Because of the 1/64 scale 'Builders Model' images I now know what the
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> Pat

Hi there Pat. I finished scribing the fore-deck and the quarter-deck
at 2:00 PM today which is less than 6 hours after I posted the update.
I did not spen all 6 hours scribing either.

The Evergreen plastic strips would be more finicky than what the
scribing was.

I phoned the local hobby shop to see if they had 1/16 in brass rod and
tubing it would fit in. THe owner could not be bothered to look and
see if he had it. There is no way I am riding my bicycle 15 kilometres
(10 miles) in what the weatherman says feels like -30 Celsius (-22 F)
to find out if he has it or not. It is a small shop and would
literally only take him 2 minutes to check. With service like that he
may not stay in business long.

I am off now to scribe the boat deck and also mark it for cutting to
the proper outline for a pre-1941 HMS HOOD.

I may just scratch-build the 15 in turrets.

Cheers from Peter
Pat Flannery - 10 Feb 2008 22:45 GMT
> I phoned the local hobby shop to see if they had 1/16 in brass rod and
> tubing it would fit in. THe owner could not be bothered to look and
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> may not stay in business long.
>  

You may want to check some hardware stores if they don't have it; some
here in North Dakota carry it.
Two groups that do make use of that rod a lot are RC aircraft modelers
and model railroad fans. So stores that sell products for them may carry it.

> I am off now to scribe the boat deck and also mark it for cutting to
> the proper outline for a pre-1941 HMS HOOD.
>
> I may just scratch-build the 15 in turrets.
>  

I don't know how one would fix the turrets on the Lindberg kit; I can't
understand why they thought they were shaped like that.

Pat
TankBuilder2@yahoo.ca - 14 Feb 2008 10:08 GMT
> TankBuild...@yahoo.ca wrote:
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> Pat
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Hi there again.

It really is amazing that no-one makes a plastic HMS HOOD kit with a
really accurate 15 in gun turret. Even the Academy 1/350 scale HMS
HOOD missed the correct shape. I read a review of the new Trumpeter/
Pit Road 1/700 scale HMS HOOD 1941 KIT on the HM.\S ASSOCIATION SITE
at:

>http://www.hmshood.com/hoodtoday/models/trumpeter/trumpeter1941-700.htm<

that even in this newest kit the 15 in turrets are not quite right. By
the way Trumpeter has also released a 1/700 scale HMS HOOD KIT 1931.

Another few days have passed.

The planking on the three Lindberg decks is all scribed now. I am in
the process of marking and cutting the shelter/boat deck to its
proper, or at least close to proper, pre-war configuration.

You know, the more I work on this kit the more I wonder if Lindberg
did any research on this model at all!

Now I need to scrounge, scratch-build or order two more of the 5.5 in
guns that go along the sides. That is because Lindberg only gives you
10 of these and the model requires 12 of them. There should be a 5.5
in gun on the fwd end of the shelter/boat deck where Lindberg wants to
put a 3 in gun. These are located just about above the 2nd 5.5 in gun
from the bow.

Lindberg also gives 4 DUAL GUN TURRETS that are about the same size
calibre as their 5.5 in guns. However these 4 dual gun turrets are
supposed to go on the shelter/boat deck! I mean really, did Lindberg
even look at any pictures of HMS HOOD before they designed this kit?

Ditto for their quad gun mounts which are supposed to go where the
original pom-pom guns were.

Cheers from Peter
Mad-Modeller - 15 Feb 2008 03:29 GMT
TankBuilder2 typed:

> that even in this newest kit the 15 in turrets are not quite right. By
> the way Trumpeter has also released a 1/700 scale HMS HOOD KIT 1931.

We used to have a ship guy here who was of the opinion that Trumpeter
wouldn't get a ship 'right' except by accident.  And that was with plans
and advice from experts.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
TankBuilder2@yahoo.ca - 15 Feb 2008 07:24 GMT
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> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

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Hi there.

According to the reviews at the HMS HOOD Association web site of these
2 new Trumpeter/Pit Road 1/700 scale HMS HOODs they are otherwise
excellent kits and the 15 in turrets are close enough for all but the
most finicky of modellers.

Surprisingly in the reviews of all known kits at the HMS HOOD
Association it is the Italeri 1/720 scale kit of HMS HOOD that is
considered to be  the best plastic kit. Too bad it is an odd scale was
their comment.

Cheers from Peter
Mad-Modeller - 16 Feb 2008 04:02 GMT
> Hi there.
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> Cheers from Peter

Speaking from the outside, I don't see 1/720th as all that odd.  Revell
had quite a line at one time in that scale.  Also, to me, it isn't that
far off 1/700th and there are many kits in that scale.  I wouldn't have
too many qualms about displaying them all on the same shelf, but I'm not
a shipbuilder so my ideas may not jibe with those who are builders.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
TankBuilder2@yahoo.ca - 25 Feb 2008 01:33 GMT
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Hi there Bill.

I actually do not have any qualms any more about displaying 1/720 and
1/700 scale models together. It is not as bad as placing 1/32 and 1/35
scales armour models together - unless you are going for forced
perspective.

I have quite a few of the Airfix 1/600 scale WW1 and WW2 ships. I also
have the Revell 1/570 Scale RMS Titanic that I converted to the RMS
Britannic (sunk in 1916 by a naval mine. The ship sank in 50 minutes)
and is displayed on the same shelf as my Airfi 1/600 scale DKM
Bismarck. When I measured the hull of the DKM Bismarck model its
dimensions indicated the scale of that model is actually 1/575 which
is extremely close to the scale of the Revel RMS Titanic.

I have often wondered what with t he slight descrepancies in the true
scale of a model why people are so unwilling to display 1/50 and 1/48
scale aircraft models together/ I admit that 1/50 scale kits seem to
be very rare these days.

One thing that I really like about the old Airfix 1/600 scale line of
ships is that they were full-hull models. If you (or I) want to build
a water-line model from one of t hose kits it is pretty easy to cut
the hull halves apart prior to assembly. I find it very interesting
that when people look at my full-hull models of WW1 and WW2 ships they
invariable state, "Gee, I never knew there was that much of t he ship
below the water-line." I think that many ships are rather like an
iceberg with most of t heir mass beneath the water.

I also often cut the the hulls off of my plastic models of sailing
ships so that the hull sits on an angle as if it were under sail if I
am going to rig it with any sail set. This also greatly reduces the
height of the finished model.

Cheers from Peter
 
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