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Model Forum / General / Models / February 2008Battle 360 on the History Channel
seen the ad for this yet? love seeing the speeded up computer footage of the Enterprise steering starboard to avoid a torpedo. Another great eye candy show from the History Channel !! Craig http://www.history.com/minisites/battle_360 > Craig wrote: > seen the ad for this yet? love seeing the speeded up computer footage > of the Enterprise steering starboard to avoid a torpedo. > Another great eye candy show from the History Channel !! > http://www.history.com/minisites/battle_360 Yeah pretty cool. I've got my DVR set up to record it. About time the Big E got some just attention. Too bad the ship isn't a floating museum today. No way to treat the most decorated ship in WW II by turning it into razor blades. Jeez ... they used the U.S.S. Saratoga at the Bikini atom bomb test as well. ( pretty cool to watch though ) Really sad fate for two ships that made it all the way through the war in the Pacific. God bless the men who served on those ships. Chris >> Craig wrote: >> seen the ad for this yet? =A0love seeing the speeded up computer footage [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Chris more respect to the sara, i think. at least she died a warrior's death. kill me for research, not consumers. On Feb 17, 6:45 pm, some...@some.domain wrote: > In article <04301e31-1bcc-421e-b1df-b24c4d059...@c33g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, CCBlack <ccblack...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > more respect to the sara, i think. at least she died a warrior's death. kill > me for research, not consumers. Any idea when people started to realize that they had destroyed so much military history? I've read before that people wanted to forget the war and were not too interested in saving B-17's, etc. When did the "we gotta save this stuff" period start? Craig : Any idea when people started to realize that they had destroyed so : much military history? "Started"? I am not sure that people realize what has been destroyed already, in the name of "progress". Very recent example - Toshiba seems ready to call it quits over HD-DVD, so soon people will be wondering what to do with those expensive HD-DVD coasters they purchased. Just like 20 years ago, people wondered what to do with the Beta-Max video tape they bought. Anybody still watch laser disks? I understand that the only way to get the "right" copy of Star Wars: A New Hope is to buy the pirate DVD from the LD... So, considering the scrap drives of WWII that trashed WWI artifacts, of Korea that trashed WWII artifacts, etc., and the demolition of historic buildings/places that happens most every day, I don't think people have "started" to realize what is being lost. Unfortunately. Bruce  Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes > � �bought. Anybody still watch laser disks? I understand that the > � �only way to get the "right" copy of Star Wars: A New Hope is to > � �buy the pirate DVD from the LD... Lots of collectors. The discs are still fine and well taken care of, should last for years, ditto with the equipment. And as you note, the LD's often feature definitive versions of the movies still not available in DVD. "Bruce Burden" <brucegb@realtime.net> wrote in message > Anybody still watch laser disks? I understand that the > only way to get the "right" copy of Star Wars: A New Hope is to > buy the pirate DVD from the LD... IIRC, Lucas recently thru in the towel and announced the original versions would be released on DVD. Rips of the LDs have been on p2p for several years now. WmB : IIRC, Lucas recently thru in the towel and announced the original versions : would be released on DVD. He did? About time, a.shole! Where did he "miracously discover" some pristine footage that he hadn't butchered? The aforementioned LD? After all, his arguement was that "there was no original footage left", which made as much sense as his "DVD is not 'good' enough, but I can always release another butchered edition on VHS!" : Rips of the LDs have been on p2p for several years now. Ohhh, don't say that! The MPAA will send you a piracy letter! Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes >On Feb 17, 6:45=A0pm, some...@some.domain wrote: >> In article <04301e31-1bcc-421e-b1df-b24c4d059...@c33g2000hsd.googlegroups.= [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Craig first real efforts were actually started before the war ended. there were people aware of the importance of that conflict early on. the systematic efforts depended on the country. some started early, some late. we were in the middle of the herd, majort efforts about mid 50's. serious efforts about 61-62. this is only based on my reading and research, other historians will disagree and say it started between the wars. well, yeah, but... a lot of interwar started efforts were lost or ruined in ww2. germany started late, officially. but a lot of stuff was saved by military people. they blew it on aircraft... On Feb 17, 9:08 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > On Feb 17, 6:45 pm, some...@some.domain wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > - Show quoted text - There was an effort to place the Enterprise in a memorial/museum ... but apparently there was not enough money raised for the project. ( Jeez the U.S. Navy, or Congress should have found a place for the ship... and made funds available ). She wasn't scrapped until 1958. Look how difficult even in modern times it is to find a home for a historic war ship. San Francisco turned it's nose up to the U.S.S. Iowa. But ... it's the Gay Bay. What would anyone expect ? It's really a shame though. Chris : There was an effort to place the Enterprise in a memorial/museum ... : but apparently there was not enough money raised for the project. Wasn't Halsey behind a couple of those drives? : ( Jeez the U.S. Navy, or Congress should have found a place for the : ship... and made funds available ). She wasn't scrapped until 1958. As I understand it, the Navy wanted to re-use the name, so they were not very accomodating about "being reasonable" to any fund raising effort time lines. : Look how difficult even in modern times it is to find a home for a : historic war ship. San Francisco turned it's nose up to the U.S.S. : Iowa. : : But ... it's the Gay Bay. What would anyone expect ? It is also a very expensive proposition, with many nautical themed museums having failed in the recent past. The Iowa's were also extensively modified by the Ray-gun's desire to have a 600 ship Navy, and returning her to even Vietnam configuration was beyond what a museum could reasonably do. However, as the Intrepid demonstrated, leaving a hull in the water causes silting problems, which the Alabama and Texas are all too familiar with. The folks I talked to at the Battleship Texas Museum want to fill in the pond she is resting in (note: NOT floating in!) and put the Texas on a concrete platform. This arrangment works well for the USS Kidd, more or less, since she spends about 1/2 of her time on concrete blocks as the water level in the Mississippi drop from the spring levels to the summer lows. Of course, the water flow also keeps the silting issue down. But, of the naval memorials I have been to, the USS Kidd is by far the best preserved and restored vessel I have seen, of the Alabama, Texas and Kidd (plus the sub next to the 'bama). Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes > Bruce wrote: > Wasn't Halsey behind a couple of those drives? When the Navy announced it could no longer maintain Enterprise, the USS Enterprise CV-6 Association stepped forward to save her. Launching a publicity drive and aided by Admiral William F. Halsey, the Association succeeded in passing a resolution through Congress to establish Enterprise as a national memorial in Washington, DC. But the resolution had a catch: the Association had to assume full fiscal responsibility for maintaining Enterprise, and was given just six months to raise the initial two million dollars needed to move and preserve the ship. > As I understand it, the Navy wanted to re-use the name, so > they were not very accomodating about "being reasonable" to any > fund raising effort time lines. An agreement was reached between Secretary of the Navy Thomas S. Gates, and the Enterprise Association. The Association would abandon its drive to save the ship, allowing the Navy to sell her for scrap, relieving it of the cost of continuing to mothball her. In return, the Navy promised to name the first nuclear-powered carrier (then in construction) " Enterprise ". > It is also a very expensive proposition, with many nautical > themed museums having failed in the recent past. The Iowa's > were also extensively modified by the Ray-gun's desire to have > a 600 ship Navy, and returning her to even Vietnam configuration > was beyond what a museum could reasonably do. There is no denying that the city council in San Francisco are a bunch of pacifist weenies and pro-gay rights nut jobs ( citing opposition to the Iraq War and the military's policies regarding homosexuals when rejecting the U.S.S. Iowa museum ). Besides which the U.S.S. Midway museum in San Diego is a huge success. > However, as the Intrepid demonstrated, leaving a hull in > the water causes silting problems, which the Alabama and Texas > are all too familiar with. To me ... silting is a minor problem when it comes to preserving a historic ship. I'm well aware of the problems with removing the Intrepid from it's dock in New York for it's renovation project. But they eventually got it ' unstuck '. Heck ... it had been sitting there for 25 years. Were there any plans to move the Alabama or the Texas around ? I noticed that a Hurricane didn't have any problem tilting the Alabama on it's side with all that silting going on. =] > The folks I talked to at the Battleship Texas Museum want > to fill in the pond she is resting in (note: NOT floating in!) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > preserved and restored vessel I have seen, of the Alabama, Texas > and Kidd (plus the sub next to the 'bama). I have visited all those ships/memorials as well. I was surprised at the size of the Texas. She is more like cruiser size compared to later Battleships. What's the issue with the ' silting ' around the Battleship Texas ? When I visited the ship it didn't seem like it needed to be moved anywhere anytime soon. What difference would it make if it was on a platform ? Chris : To me ... silting is a minor problem when it comes to preserving a : historic ship. My understanding is that silting helps with the hull deterioration, which is an additional expense that is not really appreciated. :-) : I'm well aware of the problems with removing the : Intrepid from it's dock in New York for it's renovation project. But : they eventually got it ' unstuck '. Heck ... it had been sitting : there for 25 years. Were there any plans to move the Alabama or the : Texas around ? Texas was moved several years ago to patch, errr, 'thin' spots on her hull. Once the hull was ultrasounded, and the thinnest areas patched, she was moved back to her 'pond'. : I noticed that a Hurricane didn't have any problem : tilting the Alabama on it's side with all that silting going on. =] That is my understanding as well, but I have not visited her since Katrina & Rita came through. I hear they made a real mess of the aircraft pavillion as well. : I have visited all those ships/memorials as well. I was surprised at : the size of the Texas. She is more like cruiser size compared to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] : anywhere anytime soon. What difference would it make if it was on a : platform ? My understanding is that it would make it easier to maintain the ship. Of course, raising the money to put her on a platform is not easily done, so the cycle continues. :-/ Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes > Bruce wrote: > My understanding is that silting helps with the hull > deterioration, which is an additional expense that is not > really appreciated. :-) Ahh ... I see now. I wasn't aware that silting did that. The U.S.S. Drum ( at the Alabama museum ) has some real bad rusting/deterioration towards the rear hull. The boat used to sit in the water. It's up on dry land now. ( I wonder how they moved it ? ) I was talking to one of the maintenance people there one day, and he said they were trying to secure some donated steel to repair the Drum. > That is my understanding as well, but I have not visited her > since Katrina & Rita came through. I hear they made a real mess of > the aircraft pavillion as well. Oh yes. Real sad. Most of the aircraft has some serious damage. Basically they were sloshing around in the surf banging into each other in the pavilion ( during the storm ). Last time I visited they had moved all the aircraft outside and were beginning the repair process. The Alabama was leaning to one side ( about 13 degrees list ) after the storm. Last time I visited they had taken out the list ( I think by pumping out some of the sand/silt from one side ) and the ship was back to normal tours. Basically it's the aircraft that took a beating. Of course the big B-52 hardly had a scratch. Chris > : There was an effort to place the Enterprise in a memorial/museum ... > : but apparently there was not enough money raised for the project. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > The Power and the Prophet > Robert Don Hughes The USS Hornet is having $$$ problems in Alameda, CA. Never got the attendance they planned on. I've only gone there once. It's a bitch to get to which is probably why I never got around to it. Great exhibit but you can really see how beat up the ship is. No money to keep it looking good. Craig On Feb 18, 8:14 pm, bruc...@realtime.net (Bruce Burden) wrote: > CCBlack <ccblack...@yahoo.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >Craig Here in NC they're trying to raise 10 mil to get the USS North Carolina up to Norfolk for repairs. I always thought the state had purchased the old Showboat outright, but she is in fact still the property of the USN. They inspect her on a regular basis (this much I knew), and if she's not being taken care of they can repo her. At which time they can see to it she receives a fate befitting a US Navy fighting ship - send her to the scrap heap or scuttle her. Gotta love the bureaucratic mind. BB-55 supplied hardware for the refit and supply program needed in getting the Iowas back to sea in the 80s. Would have been pretty hard to do if she had been cut into railroad spikes had the backward thinkers had their say. And the price of one new pump they scrounged off the NC - probably 10 mil in '08 dollars. ;-) WmB : Here in NC they're trying to raise 10 mil to get the USS North Carolina up : to Norfolk for repairs. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : basis (this much I knew), and if she's not being taken care of they can repo : her. I am not sure that the state would be any more benevolent than the USN is. I understand your point about "you're not taking care of her, so we will scrap/scuttle her!" - that is SO much better, how? But, then, what do you expect from an organization that spends billions to build a floating airfield, and put 40 year old designs on it? For a very tiny fraction of the cost of those oversize toys, they could fund the maintenance of their battleships. : BB-55 supplied hardware for the refit and supply program needed in getting : the Iowas back to sea in the 80s. Would have been pretty hard to do if she : had been cut into railroad spikes had the backward thinkers had their say. Yeah, but, what has it done for them today? As long as it is a budget item on some tiny-brains spreadsheet, it will be in danger, sadly. Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes on 2/19/2008 1:11 PM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: > >> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > Craig > Check out the USS Intrepid site. They are offering rides on it when it returns from overhaul and restoration. It went into drydock in Bayonne, NJ in April 2007, then completed restoration at Bedloe's Island (Statue of Liberty). It is due back at its Manhatten pier in September 28th. http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/intrepidmuseum/ Fortunately, the securing of the Intrepid was due to one man. http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/pages/FounderZacheryFisher SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ on 2/17/2008 10:08 PM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: > On Feb 17, 6:45 pm, some...@some.domain wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > Craig > How many cars have you sold for peanuts and wished you kept them? I sold a 1957 Ford Fairlane 500 convertible to my brother in 1975 for $150. I can buy one now for about $50,000. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ > on 2/17/2008 10:08 PM cr...@earthlink.net said the following: > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > In Hamptonburgh, NY > To email, remove the double zeroes after @ I sold my 1971 Pinto with no brakes for $200. Don't really want to buy it again... :-) Craig on 2/18/2008 10:01 AM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: > >> on 2/17/2008 10:08 PM cr...@earthlink.net said the following: [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Craig > I would buy a 1970 Maverick again. My wife took it in the divorce. I kept the 68 Lincoln. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ > on 2/18/2008 10:01 AM cr...@earthlink.net said the following: > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > In Hamptonburgh, NY > To email, remove the double zeroes after @ Hot Rod Lincoln. Great song! Craig On Feb 18, 4:47 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > > on 2/18/2008 10:01 AM cr...@earthlink.net said the following: > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Only by the author, Charlie Ryan. Johnnie Bond was so-so and Commander Cory and his airmen left me cold. > on 2/18/2008 10:01 AM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: > > [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > In Hamptonburgh, NY > To email, remove the double zeroes after @ Ooh, another Maverick fan. I had one for 11 years and got talked into getting rid of it when it had a transmission problem. I did and the replacement really wasn't as good. About the only time I had to worry about exceeding 55 mph was when going downhill but I did get nailed for 37 in a 25 zone. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> on 2/18/2008 10:01 AM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: >> > [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. scofflaw! criminal! endangering the public! shame, shame, shame! on 2/19/2008 2:29 AM Mad-Modeller said the following: > >> on 2/18/2008 10:01 AM crw59@earthlink.net said the following: [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > Mine was Red, and I put the black split anti-glare panels on the hood, across the roof, and on the trunk lid, and the Mustang 350 white stripes along the bottom of the sides. On the trunk flair, I had written "Mach 1/2". I wish I had some pictures of it, but the ex kept those too. I knew a guy that put a 350 V8 in his. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ wilshak typed out: > Mine was Red, and I put the black split anti-glare panels on the hood, > across the roof, and on the trunk lid, and the Mustang 350 white > stripes > along the bottom of the sides. On the trunk flair, I had written "Mach > 1/2". I wish I had some pictures of it, but the ex kept those too. > I knew a guy that put a 350 V8 in his. Hey, mine was red too. Mine was unusual because it was built in April '69 and had no chrome strips around the side window frames. Most do. Later when the red was fading my father paid for a paint job from my cousin's shop. It ended up a nice Dodge Aspen red. I was told (but who knows?) that it was shipped south after I traded it in on the Omni. It would have been worth it to fix the tranny problem compared to the aggravation the Omni caused me. I did get a picture of mine and made a model one too. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > I sold my 1971 Pinto with no brakes for $200. Don't really want to buy > it again... :-) > I sold my trashed 1969 Dodge Charger for $100.00 to someone around 1980 who thought he was getting a great deal. He wasn't. It was costing around $100.00 a month in repairs alone. The last I saw of it was a couple of years later driving slowly around belching oily exhaust with "GETTO MOBILE"* spray-painted on the side. I imagine it just got tossed after that or was used for parts. As was pointed out by many collectors of muscle cars, Chargers tended to be as worn out as teenager's tennis shoes by the time they got their hands on them. *This is how white farm boys spell "Ghetto". They also suffer under the delusion that they are cowboys, not farmers. The sight of one of them trying to ride "The Bucking Tractor" at a bar is a truly pathetic one. :-) Pat crw59@earthlink.net said the following on 18/02/2008 01:57: > seen the ad for this yet? love seeing the speeded up computer footage > of the Enterprise steering starboard to avoid a torpedo. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > http://www.history.com/minisites/battle_360 So long as it's not the over-used Matrix/CSI <name a place> bullet-time/time-jump effect that seems to be everywhere. God I hate that! It's the eye-candy for the post-MTV ADD generation and is as bad as barn-dooring or screen-division that makes the whole thing end up looking like a Bloomberg screen. You know a production company is reaching for something, anything when you can't make out the story for the over-use of effects. |
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