Hi
My airbrushing problems seem to have no end. A little frustrating to
say the least.
I own an Iwata eclipse ECL-4500 gravity feed and have had it for a few
years.
The 2 main problems are:
1) I get splattered paint as soon as I press the trigger for just one
quick burst then as I keep the trigger pressed no more splattering. If
I stop and start again, the splattering resumes shortly and then I can
go on.
I have used 3 different bottle of paints from 2 different brands, same
results.
2) The second thing I have noticed is my airbrush does not spray the
paint at a large angle anymore (It is a double action), I just seem to
be able to get very thin lines which are rich in paint.These lines
would be great to do a cammo effect, but when you have a large body to
airbrush it makes it long and tedious with sections heavier on color
than others.
One thing I have noticed after taking and cleaning my airbrush apart
50 times in the last 3 days, is that the needle doesn't seem to go in
and out as much as it used too in the past when I press the trigger.
It isn't dirty I have soaked all the parts in ammonia 3 times recently
and airbrushed some windex in there too.
The needle is still straight (Not bent) as far as I can tell, all the
parts seem to check out fine.
Have you all experienced at some point a decrease in your airbrushes
operations for no apparent reasons?
This airbrush is about 8 years old and have seen very limited use
(About 2 models yearly.)
I keep it in it's original box in a closed cabinet after each use, and
clean it well.
I am just very frustrated, spending all my free time fighting the darn
thing instead of modeling.
One final question: I paid $90 for my airbrush 8 years ago, and I see
it now around $116.
Where does my airbrush stand in the airbrush family? Is it a low end
airbrush?Mid range?Or would you say more higher end?
What would be a step up airbrush from this one?
Thanks for your help
Patrick
willshak - 23 Feb 2008 19:47 GMT
on 2/23/2008 1:42 PM varois83 said the following:
> Hi
>
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> Patrick
>
Iwata is a good airbrush. What probably happened is that the constant
spraying of paint through it has worn out the parts. All paint has a
grit to it which wears the parts down. Acrylics probably more than
enamel. You might try buying new parts for it, like the needle and the
nozzle parts. Depending upon the cost of those parts, it may be cheaper
to buy a new airbrush.

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flak monkey - 23 Feb 2008 21:11 GMT
> on 2/23/2008 1:42 PM varois83 said the following:
>> Hi
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> Depending upon the cost of those parts, it may be cheaper to buy a new
> airbrush.
Agreed it sounds like a worn nozzle or needle. Or both. But a very thorough
clean wouldn't hurt. Do you backwash after cleaning? Hey that sounds rude. I
mean do you put a little cleaner in the cup, place a rag over the nozzle and
then depress the trigger and pull back until bubbles appear in the cup? I
get loads of crap out of my Iwata that way. You could also try removing the
crown cap, air cap and nozzle, taking the needle out, then pushing it gently
*backwards* through the body of the airbush to dislodge the sludge in the
forward part of the brush. Then use a fine microbrush soaked in lacquer
thinner to get in there and clean it out. None of this will fix worn parts,
but Iwata parts are pretty cheap if you need to go that way.
varois83 - 23 Feb 2008 22:17 GMT
Bill and Flak
> > Iwata is a good airbrush. What probably happened is that the constant
> > spraying of paint through it has worn out the parts.
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> Agreed it sounds like a worn nozzle or needle. Or both. But a very thorough
> clean wouldn't hurt. Do you backwash after cleaning?
No I have never done that, I will try it next time I use it this week.
You could also try removing the
> crown cap, air cap and nozzle, taking the needle out, then pushing it gently
> *backwards* through the body of the airbush to dislodge the sludge in the
> forward part of the brush.
Again very good tip which I will try.
Ok I managed to fix a few things myself. First I was using a brand of
paint I never use "Polly scale" and after a final try with it again my
airbrush got clogged bad. I threw it in the trash.
So I took it apart again and took a needle and went really in that
nozzle, well I got a few more little chunks of paint which seem to
have been in there for a while.
The nozzle cleaning and the switch of paint (I reverted to Tamiya my
brand of choice) and a tip which I picked up on my Iwata direction
brochure which said that "Splattered paint usually means your paint
isn't thinned enough".
So I went for a 50% paint, 50% alcohol mix and let me tell you it's
not paradise but it has improved a lot.
The splattering has been reduced by 75%. I managed to finish
airbrushing my model main blue color and it looks good.
I honestly believe the nozzle is/was the problem.If I could dip it
into something stronger than ammonia which I usually use but it
doesn't get well enough in there.Paint thinner or alcohol maybe?
I am going to clean it again using the tips you guys mentioned, if it
fails where shall I go for new parts? I bought it at dixieart.com
online.
Here is the model I am currently working on by the way (The auction
and model are not mine, it's just the same I am doing.)
http://cgi.ebay.com/Horizon-T2-TERMINATOR-2-T-1000-Vinyl-Built-Up-1-5-1991_W0QQi
temZ280201815019QQihZ018
Thanks so much for the help.
Patrick
Alan Dicey - 24 Feb 2008 01:35 GMT
I don't think you can clean an airbrush just by flushing it through with
thinners. I airbrush enamels, and I always finish each session by
taking the airbrush (a Badger 150) to bits and cleaning everything with
thinner and paper towel strips. Very thin strips twisted to wipe out
the nozzle - thicker strips to clean the paint passages - soaked in
thinner and followed by a flushing with more thinner. This is more
important with acrylics because they set sooner than enamels. You can't
be too careful in keeping the airbrush clean.
I've heard that cellulose thinners can be used to dissolve dried paint
deposits, but haven't had to try that myself yet.
flak monkey - 24 Feb 2008 03:10 GMT
> I've heard that cellulose thinners can be used to dissolve dried paint
> deposits, but haven't had to try that myself yet.
Yeah that works. Disolves acrylics that are baked on. Crazy but true.
To the OP;
I don't know where you're from, but as you bought your airbrush from
Dixieart, I'm guessing US, so look here for a dealer;
http://www.iwata-medea.com/contact/find.html
Another point; use the thinner recommended by the paint manufacturer.
Lifecolor, for instance, doesn't get on with Tamiya (alcohol) thinner too
well, especially the ones with blue pigments. Meaning most greys too. My
experience with this combination has been clogging, spattering, lumps shot
out the nozzle... you know. Seems to have got worse lately, at one time I
used Lifecolor with Tamiya thinner no problem.
If you can't get the right thinner, or cost rules it out (Vallejo), try
thinning with Future/ Klear. Crazy again. True again. Clean well afterwards.
Serge D. Grun - 24 Feb 2008 12:03 GMT
In article <42cb2314-cfc9-4c23-a632-0dcc1ae269d6@
72g2000hsu.googlegroups.com>, varois83@netzero.net says...
> The 2 main problems are:
>
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> I have used 3 different bottle of paints from 2 different brands, same
> results.
Paint too thick, air pressure too high or too low, nozzle and/or needle
damaged and/or dirty.
> 2) The second thing I have noticed is my airbrush does not spray the
> paint at a large angle anymore (It is a double action), I just seem to
> be able to get very thin lines which are rich in paint.These lines
> would be great to do a cammo effect, but when you have a large body to
> airbrush it makes it long and tedious with sections heavier on color
> than others.
Idem.
> One thing I have noticed after taking and cleaning my airbrush apart
> 50 times in the last 3 days, is that the needle doesn't seem to go in
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> The needle is still straight (Not bent) as far as I can tell, all the
> parts seem to check out fine.
Check the needle tip with a magnifying glass.
> Have you all experienced at some point a decrease in your airbrushes
> operations for no apparent reasons?
Not without a good cause.
> This airbrush is about 8 years old and have seen very limited use
> (About 2 models yearly.)
> I keep it in it's original box in a closed cabinet after each use, and
> clean it well.
My Harder&Steenbeck Evolution is over 10 years old, it was used for over
60 models, and is still like new. I think you can safely rule part wear
out, even an entry level Badger won't wear out that fast.
> I am just very frustrated, spending all my free time fighting the darn
> thing instead of modeling.
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> airbrush?Mid range?Or would you say more higher end?
> What would be a step up airbrush from this one?
A Harder&Steenbeck Infinity is a step up from any airbrush...

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PaPaPeng - 24 Feb 2008 17:47 GMT
>My airbrushing problems seem to have no end. A little frustrating to
>say the least.
Mine is a 30 year old Badger 350.
An airbrush should last decades. For what a modeller uses it for it
should never wear out. But it needs to be kept clean. Everytime you
use it a thin film of paint is left behind no matter how thoroughly
you wash it. With time this builds up enough layers to affect
airbrush function. The best solution is to strip it down, the parts
that handle paint, and use fine wire scouring pad material to clean
out the parts to bare metal. Pinch off a small wad of scouring pad
material the size of a Q-Tip or larger to do that. For the nozzle
orifice I use a wire run it through to clear any residual paint. Wire
of a suitable diameter can be bought from the Dollar Store crafts
section. Make sure you don't use any wire that will enlarge the
orifice. Should that happen just roll the tip against a hard surface
(glass) to bring it back to point.
There is another very useful Dollar Store item and that is the trigger
pump type spray bottle. Adjust the bottle nozzle to deliver a squirt,
not a spray, and squirt a fairly high pressure steam of water into the
paint cup receiver opening of the airbrush. That flushes out the
residual paint in the receiver (after removing the paint cup.) Next
run the compressor and the airbrush and keep squirting water into the
airbrush to flush out any paint inside. Observe the spray coming out
of the airbrush nozzle. It should be clean and deliver a fine even
mist. This flushing allows more sessions of use out of the airbrush
between stripdown cleanings. One more tip is use the spary bottle
squirt to back flush the paint cup. Use an old scotchbrite scouring
pad to clean the cup stem, the inside of this stem as well as the
inside of the cup. That Dollar Store wire is great for cleaning the
inside of the cup stem. With all that water flying around I use a 4
litre plastic milk container and cut out a large opening to catch the
spray and waste water. My paint booth is just a large cardboard box
with a computer box fan.
varois83 - 24 Feb 2008 21:50 GMT
Hi
Thanks for all the answers, this is what I have done and will do.
1) I just did a backwash for the first time and 2 or 3 tiny pieces
came out of there. I will do that more often.
2) I took the needle and placed it backwards carefully inside the
airbrush, nothing came out of there. I have been cleaning in there
quite good.
3) Iwata recommends "Medea airbrush cleaner" I will probably have to
get it mail order as none of my local art supplies seem to have it.
4) I inspected the needle tip with a good magnifying glass and it
isn't bent as far as I can tell. But I noticed some paint build up on
the tip, I cleaned it good.
5) I will get some lacquer thinner tomorrow and I will get down deep
into that nozzle, I believe there is more stuff stuck in there even
though I have cleaned several times.
5) I will buy a new nozzle and needle as a last resort.
Thanks to all
Patrick