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Swastika on Bismarck Deck Question

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crw59@earthlink.net - 25 Feb 2008 02:48 GMT
The new 1/350 RevellGermany kit does not have the swastika decal.

so, what to do about that?    would be shame, at least for me, to
build a nice kit and have some nasty hand painted swastika, etc on the
deck.

Craig
crw59@earthlink.net - 25 Feb 2008 02:49 GMT
On Feb 24, 6:48 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The new 1/350 RevellGermany kit does not have the swastika decal.
>
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>
> Craig

here is a link showing the decal sheet. also no swastikas on the
flags...

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=29549
Kevin(Bluey) - 25 Feb 2008 04:13 GMT
> On Feb 24, 6:48 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> The new 1/350 RevellGermany kit does not have the swastika decal.
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>
> http://www.freetimehobbies.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=29549

Mask it out and airbrush it, or buy a sheet of black decal paper and cut
your own.
What are the heavy black stripes on the deacal sheet for ? Are you meant
to make up a swastika with them or are they for some thing else?

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Pat Flannery - 25 Feb 2008 04:17 GMT
> The new 1/350 RevellGermany kit does not have the swastika decal.
>
> so, what to do about that?    would be shame, at least for me, to
> build a nice kit and have some nasty hand painted swastika, etc on the
> deck.
>  

Hunt down a cheap decal sheet with a big swastika on it I guess.
Does anyone make aftermarket decals of those Swastika ID flags they used
on panzers?

Pat
Pat Flannery - 25 Feb 2008 04:28 GMT
> Hunt down a cheap decal sheet with a big swastika on it I guess.

Lookie what I found:
http://www.epier.com/store/outpostflags/Category.asp?cat=4998

Pat
Bill Shatzer - 25 Feb 2008 05:26 GMT
> The new 1/350 RevellGermany kit does not have the swastika decal.
>
> so, what to do about that?    would be shame, at least for me, to
> build a nice kit and have some nasty hand painted swastika, etc on the
> deck.

So do it as the ship actually appeared during Rheinübung.

The swastika was painted out before Bismarck left Norway.

Cheers.
JDorsett - 25 Feb 2008 08:24 GMT
As Bismarck was trying to avoid detection I doubt if they were left on, the
camouflage was changed to standard outboard grey while she was at anchor at
Grimstadfjord , she was repainted during the day 21 May 1941. So if you want
to do her as she saw action with Hood and until she met her demise I would
paint her grey without the Swastiks.
  A good reference for this " Battleship Bismarck" A survivor's Story by
Baron Burkard Von Mullenheim-Rechberg. He was the Gunnery Officer for C and
D Turrets and also the captains Adjuntent.   Book is printed in English By
Bodley Head press , 9 Bow street, Convent Gardens, londen.
                                 regards  Jim

>> The new 1/350 RevellGermany kit does not have the swastika decal.
>>
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>
> Cheers.
Pat Flannery - 25 Feb 2008 10:30 GMT
> So do it as the ship actually appeared during Rheinübung.
>
> The swastika was painted out before Bismarck left Norway.

They thought that was the case, but when Bob Ballard found it it had
swastikas on it both fore and aft.
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/wreck/pictures/5_aft_rudder_area/05_collap
sed_stern_air_marking.jpg

Detail info on the paint schemes here, although they don't show the
swastikas on it when it was sunk:
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/paint_schemes/paintbism1941rheinubung.html
Those are from this webpage:
http://www.bismarck-class.dk/bismarck/bismarck_menu.html
The explanation may be here: http://www.kbismarck.com/operheini.html

"On 22 May, the weather worsened. During the night, the German battle
group headed North, with the three destroyers in the lead and the Prinz
Eugen closing the formation. At 0420, the destroyers were detached and
headed east to Trondheim, while the Bismarck and the Prinz Eugen
maintained their northward course at 24 knots. At 1237 there was a
submarine and air alarm, and the German ships zig-zagged for about half
an hour. When the alarm ended, the tops of the main and secondary
turrets were painted over, and the swastikas on the decks were covered
with canvas, as they could help enemy aircraft to identify the German
ships."

So the swastikas weren't painted over, they were covered with canvas -
which has rotted away in the years since it sunk.
Neat model of the sunken Bismarck:
http://hsfeatures.com/features04/bismarckak_1.htm

Pat
someone@some.domain - 25 Feb 2008 15:52 GMT
>> The new 1/350 RevellGermany kit does not have the swastika decal.
>>
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>
>Cheers.

it sure shows up on the wreck.
willshak - 25 Feb 2008 18:23 GMT
on 2/25/2008 10:52 AM someone@some.domain said the following:
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> it sure shows up on the wreck.
>  

Perhaps the paint they used to cover the swastika was quickly applied
and was not as durable as the original paint and the sea erased it.

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Pat Flannery - 25 Feb 2008 19:23 GMT
> it sure shows up on the wreck.
>  

That's because it wasn't painted over, it was covered with canvas.
And the canvas has rotted away.

Pat
Richard Brooks - 25 Feb 2008 14:20 GMT
crw59@earthlink.net said the following on 25/02/2008 02:48:
> The new 1/350 RevellGermany kit does not have the swastika decal.
>
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>
> Craig

The knee-jerk reaction.
<http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/archive/t-43848.html>

Someone seeing sense.
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6269627.stm>
willshak - 25 Feb 2008 18:20 GMT
on 2/25/2008 9:20 AM Richard Brooks said the following:
> crw59@earthlink.net said the following on 25/02/2008 02:48:
>> The new 1/350 RevellGermany kit does not have the swastika decal.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Someone seeing sense.
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6269627.stm>

I remember when I was a child (during WWII), my uncle had a house with a
parquet wooden floor with a border that had a continuous swastika inlay
all around the border of the floor. I knew what a swastika was back then
(I was 8 when the war ended).  It was just curious at the time.
Charles Lindberg had a swastika painted inside his "Spirit of St Louis"
propeller nose cone when he crossed the Atlantic in 1927. It was an
American Indian good luck symbol. The cone is in a cabinet in the the
Air and Space Museum in Washington DC showing the swastika.
The banning of the swastika in Germany is just an attempt to deny
history and hide the fact that WWII was started by the Nazis. Much like
Japan denies that the Rape of Nanking ever happened.
Many of the content in reissued books on Japan's role in WWII have been
politically corrected to eliminate the photos of atrocities they
committed. When I was a kid back then, the books showed photos of
smiling Japanese soldiers holding their rifles up in he air with Chinese
babies impaled on their bayonets.

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Pat Flannery - 25 Feb 2008 19:30 GMT
> The banning of the swastika in Germany is just an attempt to deny
> history and hide the fact that WWII was started by the Nazis. Much
> like Japan denies that the Rape of Nanking ever happened.

Our forces did not rape Ms. Nan King or any other occidental woman.
Nor for that matter, any occidental men either. :-D

The Mikado
Tokyo
John Mianowski - 25 Feb 2008 15:31 GMT
On Feb 24, 8:48 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The new 1/350 RevellGermany kit does not have the swastika decal.
>
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>
> Craig

Install yellow "smiley faces" instead.  Must not offend anybody...

JM
CortxVortx - 25 Feb 2008 22:53 GMT
> On Feb 24, 8:48 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> The new 1/350 RevellGermany kit does not have the swastika decal.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> JM

Gahan Wilson was way ahead of you. He had a cartoon of soldiers sporting
smiley-face armbands marching in review before a stand festoon with
smiley-face flags. It was in Playboy or National Lampoon, I can't recall
which.

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OldSchool - 25 Feb 2008 18:34 GMT
On Feb 24, 9:48 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The new 1/350 RevellGermany kit does not have the swastika decal.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Craig

some self-adhesive vinyl:
http://www.modelflags.com/acatalog/Swastika_Roundels.html

squadron also lists several sheets of waterslide aircraft swastikas in
various sizes / scales that *might* be close.  you'd have to do some
scale conversions to check however....
 
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