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Derek Shaw - 25 Feb 2008 23:40 GMT

When I use Xtracolor enamels as the finish to my aircraft models I must
in many cases eventually use a flat coat to get rid of the high gloss
finish of the paint. For years I have used Testors Dullcote to obtain
this final effect and until I started using Xtracolor paints never had
any problems irrespective of the paint I had used. However since I have
been using Xtracolor the final dullcote invariably produces a wrinkled
finish on the areas of the model painted with Xtracolor but not on the
areas painted with any other paint. I have tried leaving the model for
two weeks to let the paint cure but it makes no difference. Have any
other modellers had the same problem and if so how did you solve it. I
do not have ready access to the Humbrol or Xtracolor equivalents of
Dullcote. Derek Shaw

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willshak - 26 Feb 2008 00:29 GMT

on 2/25/2008 6:40 PM Derek Shaw said the following:

> When I use Xtracolor enamels as the finish to my aircraft models I
> must in many cases eventually use a flat coat to get rid of the high
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> and if so how did you solve it. I do not have ready access to the
> Humbrol or Xtracolor equivalents of Dullcote. Derek Shaw

What's wrong with Testors dullcoat? I use the Testors Dullcoat #1160 in
the 1-3/4 oz. square bottle. I let it sit for week until the pigment
sinks and there is a clear liquid that may be half the bottle. I then
pour off the clear liquid and use the remaining to coat my models. The
finish is truly flat, especially on uniforms. I have a pic of the bottle
with the settling over on alt.binaries.model.scale. This particular
unopened bottle has been sitting for a month and has settled more than
1/2..

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PaPaPeng - 01 Mar 2008 23:00 GMT

>on 2/25/2008 6:40 PM Derek Shaw said the following:
>> When I use Xtracolor enamels as the finish to my aircraft models I
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>unopened bottle has been sitting for a month and has settled more than
>1/2..

In the painting instructions for the 1/25 Tamiya Tiger I (70s era
model) it says add Magnesium Sulphate to the paint to make it flat. I
wasn't about to go buy some from the chemists to check this out.
Recently I saw a 5 pound(?) bag of epsom salts at the pharmacists
while waiting for my prescription to be filled. Magnesium Sulphate is
epsom salts. Perhaps you may want to check out if it does the job.
Future Wax is a possible suspension coating carrier for the crystals.

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someone@some.domain - 26 Feb 2008 00:56 GMT

>When I use Xtracolor enamels as the finish to my aircraft models I must
>in many cases eventually use a flat coat to get rid of the high gloss
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>do not have ready access to the Humbrol or Xtracolor equivalents of
>Dullcote. Derek Shaw

the only time i had that one was wehn i hadn't mixed the x really well.
it's fussy that way, so i use a jigsaw converted to paint shaker and give
xcolors a full 10 minutes AFTER i stir the gunk around to break it free from
the bottom of the can. say with humbrol.

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Hub Plott III - 27 Feb 2008 02:43 GMT

> When I use Xtracolor enamels as the finish to my aircraft models I must in
> many cases eventually use a flat coat to get rid of the high gloss finish
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> the same problem and if so how did you solve it. I do not have ready
> access to the Humbrol or Xtracolor equivalents of Dullcote. Derek Shaw

Sounds like the xtracolor did not fully cure. I have had a similar problem
with WEM paints. Several hours in front of a blowning fan cured the paint.
What the other poster said is correct; mixing it well is the key. If not
then several hours in front of a fan is all I have found to work.

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Meee - 01 Mar 2008 12:38 GMT

I find Extracolor very erratic.

It either doesn't mix proprly, goes on too thin or takes days to dry.

Vey rarely do I get a decent tin off the stuff.

Humbrol is better, but soon goes off in the tin (curdles like milk). I
have some original 20 year+ Humbrol & it's perfect. The newer suff
barely lasts a couple of years.

DS

>> When I use Xtracolor enamels as the finish to my aircraft models I must in
>> many cases eventually use a flat coat to get rid of the high gloss finish
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>What the other poster said is correct; mixing it well is the key. If not
>then several hours in front of a fan is all I have found to work.

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Claus Gustafsen - 01 Mar 2008 16:37 GMT

I have experienced the same with X-tracolours, they don't seem to dry and
harden, especially their tyre black and oily steel.

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>I find Extracolor very erratic.
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>>What the other poster said is correct; mixing it well is the key. If not
>>then several hours in front of a fan is all I have found to work.

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Bruce Burden - 02 Mar 2008 03:57 GMT

: I find Extracolor very erratic.
: It either doesn't mix proprly, goes on too thin or takes days to dry.

I second the "takes forever to dry" comment.

: Humbrol is better, but soon goes off in the tin (curdles like milk). I
: have some original 20 year+ Humbrol & it's perfect. The newer suff
: barely lasts a couple of years.

I do not use Humbrol "Super Color", except for the buffable
steel. "I could work with the pig beast!", errr, I could work with
the pre "Super" stuff, the "Super" stuff, once I have it thinned
to my satisfaction, I have way too much carrier, and little pig
ment. No sir, don't like it. Not one bit!

Bruce

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someone@some.domain - 02 Mar 2008 05:01 GMT

>: I find Extracolor very erratic.
>: It either doesn't mix proprly, goes on too thin or takes days to dry.
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>
> Bruce

i've used a lot of xcolor and it alsways worked finr if i gave it 20 minutes
on the shaker. i have thinned it for some uses.
i'm painting a lindberg ju88 fight now with some 15 year old xcolor 65. after
the shake, it brushed on flat and level. won't even spray on a cover level
coat.

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Mad-Modeller - 02 Mar 2008 06:56 GMT

> >: I find Extracolor very erratic.
> >: It either doesn't mix proprly, goes on too thin or takes days to dry.
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> the shake, it brushed on flat and level. won't even spray on a cover level
> coat.

Maybe it's your humidity levels. I've never seen Xtracolour around here
so I have no personal experience with it. Humbrols work well for me and
I'm still using some French colours I bought in the '70s.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

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someone@some.domain - 02 Mar 2008 16:14 GMT

>> In article <fqd8jr02ivr@enews1.newsguy.com>, brucegb@realtime.net (Bruce
> Burden) wrote:
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>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

from way east to way west. i just make usre i shake a lot abd thin if it's
thickened up.

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