Doctor Who and the Seeds of Death
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Enzo Matrix - 05 Mar 2008 16:17 GMT I've just watched the final episode of "The Seeds of Death", a Doctor Who story from 1976.
In the final scenes, the Doctor and Sarah Jane escape from a mansion that has been engulfed by a huge alien plant. The plant is then destroyed by an airstrike by RAF jets. I was thrilled to see a formation of RAF Phantoms bank in to start their run. In 1976 I would have expected them to have lo-vis roundels, but they all had the hi-vis ones. The only reason I can think of is that they were wearing hi-vis markings because they were part of a test programme testing a new ECM pod that could change the shape of the aircraft. This was borne out because by the time the aircraft came to fire their SNEB rockets, they all looked like Harriers!
That ECM pod must be very common because I often see the results. Apparently Charlton Heston's SBD was carrying one at the battle of Midway which made it look like an F9F.
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max@hotmail.com - 05 Mar 2008 17:55 GMT Almost certainly the BBC would have used "stock" footage from the MoD or RAF, and I seriously doubt if they specified anything other than "war planes taking off", "planes dropping bombs" or "planes firing rockets".
Therefore the film could have been taken anytime before 1976.
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Pat Flannery - 06 Mar 2008 08:42 GMT > Almost certainly the BBC would have used "stock" footage from the MoD or > RAF, and I [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Therefore the film could have been taken anytime before 1976. > And speaking of Dr. Who, let's have another peek at those drop tanks on Billie Piper: http://www.findaceleb.com/girls/p/piper-billie/000023.jpg
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Enzo Matrix - 06 Mar 2008 11:21 GMT >> Almost certainly the BBC would have used "stock" footage from the >> MoD or RAF, and I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > on Billie Piper: > http://www.findaceleb.com/girls/p/piper-billie/000023.jpg You could try downloading episodes of "Secret Diary of a Call Girl". She kept getting her kit off in that, although oddly enough the episodes I saw were some of the least erotic things I've ever seen.
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Pat Flannery - 06 Mar 2008 12:33 GMT > You could try downloading episodes of "Secret Diary of a Call Girl". She > kept getting her kit off in that, although oddly enough the episodes I saw > were some of the least erotic things I've ever seen. > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secret_Diary_of_a_Call_Girl > But the thing is the writing skill demanded to come up with: "Billie Piper Pops A Peek Of Pretty Pucca Perkies". That's Fleet Street at its best... the lascivious equivalent of a Japanese Haiku. You study decades to get that good at writing cheap copy headlines for your page three girls caught by paparazzi with their bra off. Even the old masters of porn film titles can only approach, but never equal, the skill that the British rag writers have incarnate in their little fingers. "Seka Sucks Again"? "Gonad, The Barbarian"? "Star Whores"? Give me a break. It's no wonder that Churchill himself was in fear of the annihilation of The English Speaking Race, not through Nazi domination, but rather through the failing of the ability to use words as well as Shakespeare did when he wrote his little-known, yet critically important play: "The Hornie Whores Of Windsor". Christ, it's pathetic. When shall Columbia's children learn to write such lines as: "The Virgin Queen doth seek it seems the taste but not fruit of fornication. As Drake doth sail and Spain's crown impale our Good Queen seeks but little penetration. Yet like the loving bitch she rests, and suckles young pups upon her virgin breasts, that will grow to mighty sea-dogs that shall defend our nation."
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Rufus - 05 Mar 2008 19:28 GMT > I've just watched the final episode of "The Seeds of Death", a Doctor Who > story from 1976. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Charlton Heston's SBD was carrying one at the battle of Midway which made it > look like an F9F. ...are you sure you didn't actually mean to say "Seed of Stealth"?..
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someone@some.domain - 06 Mar 2008 00:57 GMT >> I've just watched the final episode of "The Seeds of Death", a Doctor Who >> story from 1976. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >....are you sure you didn't actually mean to say "Seed of Stealth"?.. if it was an x plane, it would be the rapes of graph.
Pat Flannery - 06 Mar 2008 09:11 GMT > if it was an x plane, it would be the rapes of graph. > Surprisingly, as bad as "Midway" was, the version shown in the miniseries "War and Remembrance" was a lot better done and more accurate in aircraft by far. IIRC, they actually had recreated TBD's in that one. Can you imagine what they could do with that battle with today's special effects? Ensign Gay peaking out from under his floating seat cushion as three Japanese carriers disappearing into the distance get turned into floating firestorms right before his eyes? Oh, that must have felt _sweet_ indeed. Here's to Torpedo 6 and 8...they didn't intend it to go that way, but their sacrifice cleared the way for the SBD's to do their dive bombing attacks almost unopposed with truly devastating* effects on the enemy. For the damage caused versus number of aircrew lost, that was probably the most successful Navy air mission of WW II.
* Note neat pun. :-)
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Jack Bohn - 06 Mar 2008 10:06 GMT >Surprisingly, as bad as "Midway" was, the version shown in the >miniseries "War and Remembrance" was a lot better done and more accurate >in aircraft by far. >IIRC, they actually had recreated TBD's in that one. >Can you imagine what they could do with that battle with today's special >effects? Alas, they would release it under the title "Pearl Harbor II"
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Enzo Matrix - 06 Mar 2008 11:24 GMT >> Surprisingly, as bad as "Midway" was, the version shown in the >> miniseries "War and Remembrance" was a lot better done and more [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Alas, they would release it under the title "Pearl Harbor II" NANG! :-D
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Jules - 06 Mar 2008 11:53 GMT > >> Surprisingly, as bad as "Midway" was, the version shown in the > >> miniseries "War and Remembrance" was a lot better done and more [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > NANG! :-D hate Dr who always have, even going back to the 70's as a sprog....this modern one is naff too!
Enzo Matrix - 06 Mar 2008 11:23 GMT >> if it was an x plane, it would be the rapes of graph. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Can you imagine what they could do with that battle with today's > special effects? It would all be boring CGI camera tricks, bullet time shots and explosions the size of a small nuke. Have ya *seen* "Pearl Harbor"?
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Mad-Modeller - 07 Mar 2008 06:43 GMT > >> if it was an x plane, it would be the rapes of graph. > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > It would all be boring CGI camera tricks, bullet time shots and explosions > the size of a small nuke. Have ya *seen* "Pearl Harbor"? No, and I shall endeavour to always miss seeing it. I celebrated its release by going out and purchasing and watching "Tora, Tora, Tora".
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someone@some.domain - 07 Mar 2008 06:57 GMT >> >> if it was an x plane, it would be the rapes of graph. >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. ah, a movie's movie. no spinning vets with that one.
Gernot Hassenpflug - 07 Mar 2008 07:00 GMT >> >> if it was an x plane, it would be the rapes of graph. >> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No, and I shall endeavour to always miss seeing it. I celebrated its Yay! +1 Ditto!
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Enzo Matrix - 07 Mar 2008 13:11 GMT >>>> if it was an x plane, it would be the rapes of graph. >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No, and I shall endeavour to always miss seeing it. Sensible decision!
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someone@some.domain - 06 Mar 2008 16:12 GMT >> if it was an x plane, it would be the rapes of graph. >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >Pat after ensign gay was rescued, thr dr asked the laconic texan how he treated his wounds. he replied, i soaked them in salt water.... man had a sense ofr proporrtion, i think.
kim - 05 Mar 2008 21:06 GMT > That ECM pod must be very common because I often see the results. > Apparently Charlton Heston's SBD was carrying one at the battle of > Midway which made it look like an F9F. It was also the one they used in Ice Station Zebra to make F4's look like MiG 21's.
Coincidentally Enzo, I just finished watching "The Mark of the Rani" (1985) so you're not nearly the saddest person here :o)
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Enzo Matrix - 05 Mar 2008 22:20 GMT >> That ECM pod must be very common because I often see the results. >> Apparently Charlton Heston's SBD was carrying one at the battle of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Coincidentally Enzo, I just finished watching "The Mark of the Rani" > (1985) so you're not nearly the saddest person here :o) I could be if I tried my best!
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someone@some.domain - 06 Mar 2008 00:58 GMT >>> That ECM pod must be very common because I often see the results. >>> Apparently Charlton Heston's SBD was carrying one at the battle of [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >I could be if I tried my best! i'll trade you 3 ex's plus a blown engine for simple depression.
Pat Flannery - 06 Mar 2008 08:52 GMT > It was also the one they used in Ice Station Zebra to make F4's look like > MiG 21's. Remember the model MiG-21's they used in that movie? I once saw one of those mounted on the wall of a house they filmed a porn movie in. That's when I knew I was starting to get jaded with age. "Oh, look....they're screwing again...wait...WHAT'S THAT on the wall?" (Rewind, go through scene in slow motion...) "OH, MY GOD! That's one of the original props from Ice Station Zebra! This is amazing!" :-) The model appeared to be three to four feet long.
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Rob van Riel - 06 Mar 2008 10:18 GMT > That's when I knew I was starting to get jaded with age. That's not jaded, that's having your priorities right:-)
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Val Kraut - 06 Mar 2008 02:42 GMT I guess you also don't believe in all the different Dr. Whos. You have to get with the spirit of the series. There was aircraft #1, aircraft #2, Aircraft # 3 etc. and Doctor #5. The there could be an episode - "The three aircrafts and the Five Doctors."
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> I've just watched the final episode of "The Seeds of Death", a Doctor Who > story from 1976. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Apparently Charlton Heston's SBD was carrying one at the battle of Midway > which made it look like an F9F. Pat Flannery - 06 Mar 2008 10:49 GMT > I guess you also don't believe in all the different Dr. Whos. You have to > get with the spirit of the series. There was aircraft #1, aircraft #2, > Aircraft # 3 etc. and Doctor #5. The there could be an episode - "The three > aircrafts and the Five Doctors." > Hey, what about "Thunderbirds"? And they made models of those. :-)
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Enzo Matrix - 06 Mar 2008 11:17 GMT >> I guess you also don't believe in all the different Dr. Whos. You >> have to get with the spirit of the series. There was aircraft #1, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Hey, what about "Thunderbirds"? > And they made models of those. :-) Most of the jet fighters seen in Thunderbirds were adaptations of the Airfix F-104 and Draken!
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Gary R. Schmidt - 06 Mar 2008 10:10 GMT > I've just watched the final episode of "The Seeds of Death", a Doctor Who > story from 1976. Oh, that brings back memories... At one point, The Doctor and Sarah Jane are running away from the house, and they leap over a large fallen tree trunk... When they pop back up, Sarah Jane is somewhat more dishevelled and has a big smile, and The Doctor is looking rather smug! I've always wondered what went on behind that trunk while the next shot was being readied!!!!!
Cheers, Gary B-)
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Enzo Matrix - 06 Mar 2008 11:26 GMT >> I've just watched the final episode of "The Seeds of Death", a >> Doctor Who story from 1976. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > rather smug! I've always wondered what went on behind that trunk > while the next shot was being readied!!!!! The chances are that Elizabeth Sladen tripped over the log and fell. It would have been nice to see a blooper reel of that.
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Gary R. Schmidt - 06 Mar 2008 12:19 GMT >>> I've just watched the final episode of "The Seeds of Death", a >>> Doctor Who story from 1976. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The chances are that Elizabeth Sladen tripped over the log and fell. It > would have been nice to see a blooper reel of that. You've not read Tom Baker's autobiography, have you?
Cheers, Gary B-)
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kim - 06 Mar 2008 14:20 GMT >>> I've just watched the final episode of "The Seeds of Death", a >>> Doctor Who story from 1976. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The chances are that Elizabeth Sladen tripped over the log and fell. It > would have been nice to see a blooper reel of that. You may get the chance Enzo when when Seeds of *Doom* is eventually released on DVD. "Seeds of Death" was a Patrick Troughton story. I didn't already know that, I had to look it up. Honest!
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Enzo Matrix - 06 Mar 2008 15:12 GMT >>>> I've just watched the final episode of "The Seeds of Death", a >>>> Doctor Who story from 1976. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You may get the chance Enzo when when Seeds of *Doom* is eventually > released on DVD. "Seeds of Death" was a Patrick Troughton story. Pedant! :-p
> I didn't already know that, I had to look it up. Honest! Yeah, yeah! ;-)
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