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1/35 Japanese Figures ?

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crw59@earthlink.net - 08 Mar 2008 02:06 GMT
Are the only ones made the 30+ year old Tamiya set?

Craig
PaPaPeng - 08 Mar 2008 06:43 GMT
>Are the only ones made the 30+ year old Tamiya set?
>
>Craig

Airfix has a box of 1/32 Japanese army figures if I recall.
Rob van Riel - 10 Mar 2008 11:51 GMT
> Airfix has a box of 1/32 Japanese army figures if I recall.

Correct, and a fine set it is, but as you say 1/32. Put these next to 1/35
figures, especially older ones like the Tamiya set, and the difference in
size will look totally ridiculous.

Rob
RobG - 08 Mar 2008 14:13 GMT
On Mar 7, 9:06 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Are the only ones made the 30+ year old Tamiya set?
>
> Craig

Dragon did a nice set that was recently reissued along with a set of
Marines and a resin Nick Cage figure from the movie Windtalkers. Fine
Molds also does a series of Japanese crewmen.
The Old Man - 08 Mar 2008 15:58 GMT
On Mar 7, 9:06 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Are the only ones made the 30+ year old Tamiya set?
>
> Craig

Which ones do you mean? the WWII variety or the medieval variety?
crw59@earthlink.net - 08 Mar 2008 19:09 GMT
> On Mar 7, 9:06 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
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>
> Which ones do you mean? the WWII variety or the medieval variety?

WWII, the four figure set with the solider and sword.
Rob van Riel - 10 Mar 2008 12:00 GMT
> Are the only ones made the 30+ year old Tamiya set?

Other responses have already shown there are a few more, but they are
rare. I wonder why, really. You get positively buried under the ever
increasing pile of releases of German subjects, you can get all the US
you want as well, and Russian and Commonwealth aren't too bad, but where
are the WWII Japanese? I could understand minor nations getting mostly
ignored, but the Japanese were a major player.

Rob
crw59@earthlink.net - 10 Mar 2008 16:10 GMT
> > Are the only ones made the 30+ year old Tamiya set?
>
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>
> Rob

and while we are at it, I've never seen any 1/35 Italian figures
either. Last time I checked they were in WWII too..well at least for
awhile.

Craig
Rob van Riel - 10 Mar 2008 16:22 GMT
> and while we are at it, I've never seen any 1/35 Italian figures
> either. Last time I checked they were in WWII too..well at least for
> awhile.

Italeri and (I think) dragon had a few sets at some time, so like the
Japanese, they are represented. There was also an Airfix "squishy plastic"
set.

Rob
crw59@earthlink.net - 10 Mar 2008 17:48 GMT
> > and while we are at it, I've never seen any 1/35 Italian figures
> > either. Last time I checked they were in WWII too..well at least for
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>
> Rob

not sure there were too many 6' 7" Japanese soldiers.  who used these
1/32 figures anyway, especially if they were not compatible with the
standard 1/35 armor?      I always thought the squishy figures were
designed just for firecrackers and magnifying glasses..

Craig
Rob van Riel - 11 Mar 2008 10:50 GMT
> not sure there were too many 6' 7" Japanese soldiers.

That's OK, we were talking about Italians. Hang on, not too many of those
manage 6'7" either, do they?

>  who used these
> 1/32 figures anyway, especially if they were not compatible with the
> standard 1/35 armor?      I always thought the squishy figures were
> designed just for firecrackers and magnifying glasses..

Wouldn't dream of putting any of the squishies to serious modeling use,
but the same scale was used for their Multopose series, and those were/are
definately worth while.

Rob
Pat Flannery - 11 Mar 2008 11:46 GMT
>  
>> not sure there were too many 6' 7" Japanese soldiers.
>>    
>
> That's OK, we were talking about Italians. Hang on, not too many of those
> manage 6'7" either, do they?

Yeah, but they were some mighty tough enlisted troops, due to having to
drag their officer's espresso machines through the furnace-like heat of
the North African desert.
It's no wonder after that that liberal socialism replaced Fascism in no
time flat in post-war Italy.
One must applaud the Italian Communist party, who makes official support
of the Catholic Church a key party plank.
COMRADES! Let us think of this as "Reformed Atheism"!
Like Lenin's "New Economic Policy", it moves forward in a incremental
manner to achieve its ends.
Or as the revolutionary Hero-Nanny Mary Poppins said: "A spoonful of
sugar helps the medicine go down" during her successful agitprop tactics
among the striving and downtrodden chimney sweeps of London to open
their eyes to the Red Dream.

Patsky
Bruce Probst - 14 Mar 2008 03:05 GMT
On Mar 11, 3:48 am, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> not sure there were too many 6' 7" Japanese soldiers.  who used these
> 1/32 figures anyway, especially if they were not compatible with the
> standard 1/35 armor?      I always thought the squishy figures were
> designed just for firecrackers and magnifying glasses..

At the time there was no "1/35th standard" -- at least, not in the UK,
where whatever Airfix chose to do became the standard.  1/32nd scale
was chosen for compatibility with 54mm figures, I believe.

Bruce
Melbourne, Australia
Pat Flannery - 10 Mar 2008 22:06 GMT
> Other responses have already shown there are a few more, but they are
> rare. I wonder why, really. You get positively buried under the ever
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>
>  

Two possible reasons come to mind:
1.) Japanese AFVs weren't all that great, so they aren't very
interesting as model subjects... the same holds true for Italy.
2.) Japanese model companies may equate Japanese ground troops with
things like the rape of Nanking, and would prefer to put the whole
"unfortunate historical incident" as they refer to that and the Korean
"comfort girls" behind them, ASAP.

Pat
Rob van Riel - 11 Mar 2008 11:08 GMT
> Two possible reasons come to mind:
> 1.) Japanese AFVs weren't all that great, so they aren't very
> interesting as model subjects... the same holds true for Italy.

Power on the battlefield does not equate historic or modeling interest.
I'll built a nice looking, ineffective oddball before considering a bland
winner. Both nations had (to my eyes at least) odd and interesting looking
vehicles, that would be prime candidates if I were into building armour.

> 2.) Japanese model companies may equate Japanese ground troops with
> things like the rape of Nanking, and would prefer to put the whole
> "unfortunate historical incident" as they refer to that and the Korean
> "comfort girls" behind them, ASAP.

That would certainly be a consideration, in fact this may well explain
their absence from most Japanese product lines, and more recently from
the various other Asian lines, but there are companies outside of Asia.
Why don't/didn't the European and especially American companies pick up
the Japanese subjects? Atrocities never stopped them from putting out one
German set after the other, even making up loads of luft46 stuff when real
subjects run out. Even ROG has plenty of WWII German stuff kicking around.

As for putting their past behind them, as long as there are those who can
use the past for their own political or financial gain, neither Japan nor
Germany will ever be allowed to do so. This will be made to fester long
after all those involved have died. The sins of the ancestors will be
visited upon the decendants as long as it remains profitable.

Rob
Pat Flannery - 11 Mar 2008 12:28 GMT
> Power on the battlefield does not equate historic or modeling interest.
>  

It does in this case...the Pacific Theater of war was one where very few
combats occurred where AFVs on either side met each other face-to-face
like happened in the Europian Theater.
The island-hopping tactics meant that  neither the Japanese or Allied
forces used tanks in any large numbers during combat, as they all had to
get to a point of combat by sea transport.
This also favored the use of infantry and fairly light artillery....why
do you need a cannon with a twenty-mile range on a island that's around
ten-by-ten miles on a side?
That was field of combat perfect for howitzers and mortars with added
naval gunnery support on both sides.
If the US actually had done an invasion of  the Japanese home islands,
things would have been different; but that never happened.

> I'll built a nice looking, ineffective oddball before considering a bland
> winner. Both nations had (to my eyes at least) odd and interesting looking
> vehicles, that would be prime candidates if I were into building armour.
>  

You sound like me;  I like the stuff that didn't work, and the crazy-a.s
ideas.
That's why I have my model He-177 and Ba-349 Natter.
Everyone else would have a diorama of the battleship Bismarck firing its
guns; I'd have a diorama of the battlecruiser Hood being straddled by
Bismarck's shells just before it all went bye-bye. :-)
Beautiful ship, interesting concept....didn't pan out quite right though.

>  
>> 2.) Japanese model companies may equate Japanese ground troops with
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> Why don't/didn't the European and especially American companies pick up
> the Japanese subjects?

It took them approximately forever to realize the interest in Japanese
Kamikaze weapons.
First time that happened was the Hasegawa "Betty" with the Ohka in 1/72
scale around... although Hawk Model Company had a Ohka out around thirty
years before that in 1/48th scale.

>  Atrocities never stopped them from putting out one
> German set after the other, even making up loads of luft46 stuff when real
> subjects run out. Even ROG has plenty of WWII German stuff kicking around.
>  

Hell, tell me about it - Ive got around forty Luft 46 models in 1/72
scale sitting in my bedroom; a lot of them due to Huma Models of Germany.

> As for putting their past behind them, as long as there are those who can
> use the past for their own political or financial gain, neither Japan nor
> Germany will ever be allowed to do so. This will be made to fester long
> after all those involved have died. The sins of the ancestors will be
> visited upon the decendants as long as it remains profitable.
>  

Trying to forget the truth of what happened in the past leads to future
disasters for the nation that tries it.
Once, the US set out to bring the blessings of democracy to Vietnam at
the point of a gun.
It didn't work.
...but around forty years later, it seemed like a doable thing again.
It would all have worked if only we had had Rambo with us.
In the movies, you always can win.

Pat
crw59@earthlink.net - 11 Mar 2008 20:04 GMT
> >> 2.) Japanese model companies may equate Japanese ground troops with
> >> things like the rape of Nanking, and would prefer to put the whole
> >> "unfortunate historical incident" as they refer to that and the Korean
> >> "comfort girls" behind them, ASAP.

I guess that means not to expect anything soon from Trumpeter.....

Craig
someone@some.domain - 11 Mar 2008 20:38 GMT
>> Power on the battlefield does not equate historic or modeling interest.
>>  
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>
>Pat

don't forget to show a jarhead demonstrating how NOT to use a japanese tree
mortar. ouch!
Pat Flannery - 12 Mar 2008 11:22 GMT
> don't forget to show a jarhead demonstrating how NOT to use a japanese tree
> mortar. ouch!
>  

I don't know about a "tree mortar" but the "Knee Mortar" was good for a
quick trip to the hospital.

Pat
someone@some.domain - 12 Mar 2008 18:55 GMT
>> don't forget to show a jarhead demonstrating how NOT to use a japanese tree
>> mortar. ouch!
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>
>Pat
same thing. the japanes called it a tree mortar because you were supposed to
use the bowl of a tree to anchor.
i cite ian hogg and my uncle.
Pat Flannery - 13 Mar 2008 01:37 GMT
> same thing. the japanes called it a tree mortar because you were supposed to
> use the bowl of a tree to anchor.
> i cite ian hogg and my uncle.
>  

In case anyone doesn't know what we are talking about, it's this odd
little weapon:
http://members.shaw.ca/nambuworld/t89pix.htm
It proved to be a fairly effective weapon capable of being carried by a
individual troop.
The grenade it fired seems more like a rocket/shell hybrid than a
conventional mortar round, as it carries its propellants internally,
with the gas exiting through holes in the base of the projectile.

Pat
someone@some.domain - 13 Mar 2008 02:54 GMT
>> same thing. the japanes called it a tree mortar because you were supposed to
>> use the bowl of a tree to anchor.
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>
>Pat
and it could be aimed really well by an expirienced user.
i've read marines saying some japs could drop them on a dime.
soldiers carrying one were the high priority target value of a flamethrower.
Mad-Modeller - 11 Mar 2008 02:58 GMT
> > Are the only ones made the 30+ year old Tamiya set?
>
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>
> Rob

Marx made a few 54mm Japanese figures, too.  I'm guessing but I think
around 12-16.  They were soft plastic and those with my son's "Iwo Jima"
set came in a tan colour.  IIRC, they were very "athletic" poses.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
 
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