News from Germany - Swede arrested in Berlin for possession of swastika
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tim brimelow - 31 Mar 2008 14:10 GMT News just in from a mate of mine in Berlin.
Jorge Jorgensen has been arrested at Berlin International airport for the alleged possesion of Nazi paraphenalia. He was found in possession at the airport of a Hasegawa 1/48 Messerschmitt 109 that had a swastika on the decal sheet. Normally this would not attract any attention to the authorities but they checked up on Jorgensen to find that he had been purchasing "Nazi paraphenalia" for some thirty six years and most of it recently from Japanese and Chinese outlets using his credit card. The authorities were able to trace the purchasing down to the item level and this consisted of model kits of World War II German aircraft and most of the kits printed swastikas on the decal sheets.
Jorgensen now faces up to twenty years in prison for his crimes. He lamented at the airport that his friends in Sweden who built model aeroplanes with American and British markings would not be facing these charges. He regrets that he purchased his kits from the Asian countries using his credit cards as this has allowed the police to check his hoard of model kits.
Jorgensen is a Swedish national and does not reside in an EU country but he is still subject to the German law as he was transiting Germany to go to his holiday destination in Ibiza.
The Swedish government has issued a protest to the Germans and asked for Jorgensen to be released immediately. The German government in retaliation has angrily denounced the blatant and obvious obsession with Nazi items and advised that they will not tolerate such behaviour. They say there has been a steady increase in the trafficking and creation of Nazi items sourced from Japan and China and therefore it is their duty to confiscate and prosecute any person who possesses or trades in such items. They believe that certain model trading customers are in breach of the law and need to be dealt with severely. In short, if anyone has purchased any model kit that has a swastika on the box top, or inside on the decal or instruction sheet will be dealt with by the full force of the law.
Sweden has not yet responded to the German denouncement but a communique is expected via diplomatic channels shortly.
Jules - 31 Mar 2008 15:15 GMT Well when i move to Germany later this year, i will be taking my swastika decal sheets...i have been to many museums in Germany, and every model kit built on display has the swastika decals on....WW2 aircraft carried them, i make models...therefore i will show them, same goes where tanks and boats have them...
> News just in from a mate of mine in Berlin. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Sweden has not yet responded to the German denouncement but a communique is > expected via diplomatic channels shortly. Serge D. Grun - 31 Mar 2008 16:26 GMT > News just in from a mate of mine in Berlin. Nice try, but one day too early.
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Gernot Hassenpflug - 31 Mar 2008 17:27 GMT >> News just in from a mate of mine in Berlin. > > Nice try, but one day too early. Indeed! However, sadly with the new German laws under discussion on fingerprinting and related biometrics in passports it is believable.
The Chaos Computer Club protested against these new moves to create so-called "secure" passports by collecting the fingerprints of politicians in favour of these laws, including the 'much-loved' interior minister wolfgang Schaeuble, and publishing these in their club magazine. Lovely stuff! Plus they also published documents showing how easy it is to do away with the so-called security on most of these fingerprint scanner thingies people use for "securing" their applications, computers and data.
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The Old Man - 31 Mar 2008 16:35 GMT On Mar 31, 9:10 am, "tim brimelow" <tbrime...@optushome.com.au.nospam> wrote:
> News just in from a mate of mine in Berlin.
> Jorge Jorgensen Wasn't he the guy who sang that old Christmas song "I Yust Go Nuts at Christmas"?
Tim Vincent - 31 Mar 2008 20:41 GMT > News just in from a mate of mine in Berlin. It must be tomorrow already in Australia...
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AMPSOne@aol.com - 31 Mar 2008 23:26 GMT I was in Berlin in 1977-1981 and in '78 I built up the old Matchbox Bf-109E-3 in 1/32 and put it on display down at Spielvogel, which was one of the better hobby shops in town at the time.
About a month later I went down to get it and was informed it had been "arrested" and was in the possession of the 54th Precinct. I could go get it but would have to explain why I had put the nasty "hackenkreuzen" on it. Sheesh. I left it to the good officers of the 54th.
The owner complained about other things. He had a high value HO scale train from Liliput that was the 1936 version of "Das Rheingold" which had tiny swastikas on the sides of the cars as the DR markings of the time used them. The local equivalent of the JDL told him get it out of the window or the next day he would find a brick, broken glass and no train.
This seems a bit over the top but those people are SERIOUS about no swastikas on open display.
Cookie Sewell
PS if he is at the 54th have him say hi to my Bf-109...
Pat Flannery - 01 Apr 2008 08:03 GMT > a.s and no > train. > > This seems a bit over the top but those people are SERIOUS about no > swastikas on open display. > What spooks me is the whole concept seems like Germany is trying to make the entire Nazi period of its history vanish, sort of like the the three-year-old that covers their eyes and proudly proclaims "You can't see me!". The more they try to make it vanish, the more intriguing it will seem to the young, and the more enticing it will be to be interested in for them - just like Pandora's Box - they will have to know what's inside, as there is some great "secret" being withheld from them, forbidden knowledge they must know. This plays right into the hands of the neo-Nazis, who will be more than willing to supply the "secret" that is being kept from them. You know, Nazi flying saucer stuff like this: http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/index.html That, and who's a "real" human being, and who isn't. You can see somewhat the same concept here in the US...it wasn't the Nazis who came up with the concept of eugenics and thought those who were physically or mentally inferior had to be stopped from breeding - that concept came right out of the USA, and they adopted it from us. But we aren't going to talk about that, are we? Nope, those Nazis were heartless perverted monsters who had come up with that concept all on their own; such a concept could never have existed in our society...which is of course the finest, best, and most pure and perfect that ever existed in the world's history.... which has a familiar ring to it also. :-\
Pat
Mad-Modeller - 01 Apr 2008 08:03 GMT > > News just in from a mate of mine in Berlin. > > It must be tomorrow already in Australia... > > -- > Tim Vincent(t.a.vincent@freewheeling.com) It always is - when you're on this side of the globe.
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Pat Flannery - 01 Apr 2008 09:47 GMT > It always is - when you're on this side of the globe. > Let's make that Australian "Earth Hour"- when we all turn out our lights to save the planet - occur simultaneously around the whole globe next year. I'll be quite willing to shut my lights off for a hour between say 11 am and 12 noon next year. :-D Seriously, how many people shut off their lights during that...and then promptly lit candles or kerosene lanterns for light? How much CO2 did that add to the atmosphere versus that saved by the reduction in electrical usage? At the very least, set it for the night of a full moon...and make it some sort of party; the Australians should be able to figure out that if they're half the people they used to be. Better yet, do what I did last month...change all the lights in your domicile to fluorescent rather than incandescent. At the moment, the only incandescent light in my whole apartment is inside the refrigerator. And I didn't do that to save the world - I did it to save on my electrical bill, plus the danger of falling off of a chair while trying to change the light-bulbs in the ceiling fixtures every few months. I dropped total watts needed to light my living room alone from 300 to 80. Hell, I could crank up every damn light in my apartment now for a total electrical usage of 175 watts, plus the 40 watt incandescent one in the fridge. And that evil thing's day may come soon also. It obviously needs a fast-on function, and that suggests a LED system for it. Now, _that_ overall concept implemented worldwide would make some sense in regards to saving energy, versus the "feel-good" Earth Hour. Once they get the bright LED lighting systems ready to go at low cost, we are talking about lighting my whole apartment at under 50 watts, plus changing lighting units around once every 20 years. So getting _that_ operation going ASAP is worth throwing a lot of money at, certainly more so than flying people back to the "magnificent desolation" of the Moon.
Sorry, just blowing off steam here, and pissed-off about where our tax dollars go to.
Pat
Enzo Matrix - 01 Apr 2008 09:17 GMT > Better yet, do what I did last month...change all the lights in your > domicile to fluorescent rather than incandescent. With the exception of the light in my workroom, I did that ten years ago - and haven't had to change any of them since.
I was using a 150W incandescent bulb in my workroom purely because I needed the high light levels. Such high power bulbs lasted barely three months. About a year ago I bit the bullet and went in search of a high luminosity CFT bulb. In the end I paid nearly 20 quid for 25W CFT bulb that is the size of a small watermelon. However, it provides the light I need, hasn't been changed in a year and may very well single-handedly save the planet! :-D
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Pat Flannery - 01 Apr 2008 12:54 GMT > >> Better yet, do what I did last month...change all the lights in your [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > changed in a year and may very well single-handedly save the planet! :-D\ > Christ, they have fluorescent bulbs of so high lumens out at our local Walmart that you would need to to wear sunglasses while illuminating your model-building area with them to prevent permanent eye damage. I may of mentioned these two key facts before: 1.) Carpets, rugs, pets, and children must be banned from the model-building area; ideally the floor is perfectly flat seamless concrete, and painted flat white. 2.) If a part does fall on the floor and can't be found, the way to find it is to get down on all fours, put your head down sideways on the floor, and scan around the floor with a flashlight laid flat on it. This works very well, as anything sticking up even a few millimeters above it gets illuminated. If you do have a rug or carpet down there, then the dropped part can be found also. It requires a vacuum cleaner, a new vacuum cleaner bag, and a vacuform machine to re-do the ten parts of the canopy after you dig them out of the vacuum cleaner bag and re-glue them together.
Pat
willshak - 01 Apr 2008 15:10 GMT on 4/1/2008 7:54 AM Pat Flannery said the following:
>> >>> Better yet, do what I did last month...change all the lights in your [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > model-building area; ideally the floor is perfectly flat seamless > concrete, and painted flat white. I would recommend a short cut pile black carpet (no woven commercial type or berber type) extending from your seat to as far as you can get it under the workbench. Small parts dropping on a woven type or hard surface will bounce 4 feet in any direction, seeking out a small crevice in which to hide. A short napped cut pile rug will keep the piece from bouncing more than an inch or two. Most pieces fall into your lap and between your legs, so it is also suggested that you wear a black apron that will extend from your waist to your knees. This will also protect your pants when you accidentally swipe that open bottle of paint into your lap. I suggest black because very few sprues are molded in black plastic.
> 2.) If a part does fall on the floor and can't be found, the way to > find it is to get down on all fours, put your head down sideways on [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Pat
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Sir Ray - 01 Apr 2008 15:33 GMT >>1.) Carpets, rugs, pets, and children must be banned from the model-building area; ideally the floor is perfectly flat seamless concrete, and painted flat white.
As mentioned, white's no good since most bare styrene is white. Black doesn't work either, as many painted parts are black. Gray is right out... I think we're looking at '70 style lime green or light puce paint schemes, guys.
>>>2.) If a part does fall on the floor and can't be found, the way to find it is to get down on all fours, put your head down sideways on the floor, and scan around the floor with a flashlight laid flat on it. This works very well, as anything sticking up even a few millimeters above it gets illuminated. This is no April Fool's joke, as I have done exactly this with some success (you left out the important 'cursing at the top of your lungs part', but probably just assumed it as a matter of course). Of course, I may very well be considered a year-round fool, but this technique does work...
Enzo Matrix - 01 Apr 2008 18:10 GMT >you left out the important 'cursing at the top of your lungs part' That's my favourite modelling technique.
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Enzo Matrix - 01 Apr 2008 18:09 GMT > 2.) If a part does fall on the floor and can't be found, the way to > find it is to get down on all fours, put your head down sideways on > the floor, and scan around the floor with a flashlight laid flat on > it. This works very well, as anything sticking up even a few > millimeters above it gets illuminated. Ah yes... worshipping the Mighty Leaping Heap.
We used to use the same technique on a Harrier squadron. Changing the Aden guns involved an awful lot of lockwiring, and some of it would always manage to escape onto the floor. After panelling up and carrying out a tool check, we would then carry out the procedure you describe to find any errant pieces of lockwire. To an oustider it looked like we were worshipping the jet!
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Stephen Tontoni - 01 Apr 2008 08:01 GMT > News just in from a mate of mine in Berlin. April Fool... good one.
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