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T-34/76 Question for Cookie

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PaPaPeng - 05 Apr 2008 00:04 GMT
I have just got a second  Tamiya 1/25 T-34/85 tank I'd like to convert
to a T-34/76 version.  

Using the Tamiya 1/35 T-34/76 version with a Commander's cupola and a
circular hatch as the model to copy I noticed that the T-34/85 turret
may be easier to modify than I had first thought.   It seems to me
that what was done by the Russian engineers to accommodate the larger
85 mm gun was to extend the turret only foreward the original turret
roof armor plate. Thus all I need likely to do will be to cut (the
correct angle @ 60 deg?) from the top deck at the forward edge and
face that with a scratch built 76 mm gun mounting, recuperator housing
and barrel.  A rough dimensional estimate with a clear plastic
protractor puts the lower edge of the turret at 60 deg just ahead of
the turret ring.  This looks right.

I will also need to rework the 1/25 turret's deck ventillator from two
to a single ventillator.  The other details will be to clean up the
turret sides off the lifting hooks and one lefthand square bracket and
add side vision ports and a rear pistol port plug.

Is there anything I has missed or assumed incorrectly?  Other than
being undersized is the Tamiya 1/35 T34/76 turret correct otherwise?

I recall a review (yours?) saying that the 1/35 Tamiya T-34/76 turret
was undersized (and impossibly cramped.)  This certainly appears so.

That done my next project will be to convert a second 1/25 Tamiya
Su-100 to the Su-85 version.
PaPaPeng - 05 Apr 2008 09:43 GMT
>Is there anything I has missed or assumed incorrectly?

Looks like the T 34/76 turret's back has a shallower angle as compared
to the T-43/85 turret.  Also the bottom edge of the 76 does not have
the raised base of the 85.
AMPSOne@aol.com - 05 Apr 2008 17:31 GMT
Um, not sure why you want to do this.

Steve Zaloga and I looked at four different T-34 kits about six or
seven years ago in the AMPS BORESIGHT. The winners were in order DML,
Zvezda, Maquette/RPM, and last Tamiya. The Tamiya kits are over 30
years old and weren't very good to start with, but have remained
popular as they are easy to assemble.

If you want to build a good T-34 76mm Model 1942 (hex turret) the best
way to go right now is a DML T-34 Model 1941 with a Zvezda T-34 Model
1942 turret.

You can't realistically convert a Tamiya T-34-85 to a T-34 76mm Model
1942.

Cookie Sewell
someone@some.domain - 05 Apr 2008 18:05 GMT
>Um, not sure why you want to do this.
>
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>Cookie Sewell

cookie, i fon't think you saw my question about which is the best king
tiger.my nephew wants to know. thanks. 1/35
AMPSOne@aol.com - 05 Apr 2008 19:23 GMT
On Apr 5, 12:05�pm, some...@some.domain wrote:
> In article <91e61b71-83c2-4c5d-bc5f-e59317d5d...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, AMPS...@aol.com wrote:
> >Um, not sure why you want to do this.
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I sent you a direct reply, kinda figures it didn't work!

If he wants easy to build, go Tamiya. If he wants accurate, go with
either of the new DML ones with zimmerit molded in place.

Cookie Sewell
someone@some.domain - 05 Apr 2008 23:01 GMT
>On Apr 5, 12:05=EF=BF=BDpm, some...@some.domain wrote:
>> In article <91e61b71-83c2-4c5d-bc5f-e59317d5d...@m44g2000hsc.googlegroups.=
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>Cookie Sewell
i'll send you an email to make usre you have a good address for me, ok?
what is the best with no zimmerit?
Gerald Owens - 10 Apr 2008 13:33 GMT
Best King Tiger without Zimmerit is eiter Dragon Henschel or Porsche
version (though you must add Zimmerit to the latter, as all Porsche
versions were issued with the coating). Henschel tanks built after
September, 1944, did not have Zimmerit. Dragon's kit has individual
link tracks, which may be stressful for a novice.
The Tamiya kit has soft plastic glueable band tracks, and is a faster
build. Tamiya's KT would require afternarket photoetch mesh for the
engine vents (sold separately by Tamiya, as well as Aber and Eduard).
Gerald Owens

On Apr 5, 6:01 pm, some...@some.domain wrote:
> In article <5d27d50a-2464-4266-8940-e8eb62ef2...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, AMPS...@aol.com wrote:
> >On Apr 5, 12:05=EF=BF=BDpm, some...@some.domain wrote:
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> >> >If you want to build a good T-34 76mm Model 1942 (hex turret) the best

> what is the best with no zimmerit?
PaPaPeng - 06 Apr 2008 05:25 GMT
>Um, not sure why you want to do this.
>
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>way to go right now is a DML T-34 Model 1941 with a Zvezda T-34 Model
>1942 turret.

>Cookie Sewell

Okay I am not the expert.  I finally managed to locate the line
drawings for the T-34 in
http://www.wargaming.net/tanks/MODELS/t3476_2.htm
From my collection of 1/35 T-34s and Su 85 and Su 100 models the hulls
look exactly the same. (5 Tamiya 2 Dragon.) As for the T-34/85 turret
the designers appear to have kept the dimensions on the sides and deck
plate pretty much identical.  I'll have to make an identical size
transparency of the turret to see exactly where the rest of the 76
differs from the 85 and cut the plastic accordingly.

The (larger) 1/25 scale Tamiya T-34/85 is showing its age.  But it is
a very simple kit and I still think it is possible to make a decent
conversion to a T-34/76 turret from the 85 turret.

>You can't realistically convert a Tamiya T-34-85 to a T-34 76mm Model
>1942.

What in your opinion will be the "impossible" to convert aspects?
I'll scrstch build one out of wood and plastic if I have to.
AMPSOne@aol.com - 06 Apr 2008 18:46 GMT
> What in your opinion will be the "impossible" to convert aspects?
> I'll scrstch build one out of wood and plastic if I have to.

It's sort of like trying to turn a model of a 1955 Chevy into a 1957
Chevy. They look SORT OF alike but there are so many detail difference
and size differences it's just not worth the effort.

Oddly enough Factory No. 183 DID try to do just that in 1943 -- they
created a "universal" T-34 turret for three crew members that could
mount either the 76mm F-34 gun or the then new 85mm D-5T gun. They
eventually decided with all of the German upgrades the tank should
just mount the 85mm one and dropped the 76mm mount. This is the same
turret which became the first 85mm one for the D-5T gun.

Cookie Sewell
 
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