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Model Forum / General / Models / May 2008Post Office Box Rule
I've been reusing these boxes for years, except that I always wrap in brown paper. they are the perfect size for models. Oh my, have I been breaking a rule? Craig http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16072154/detail.html crw59@earthlink.net said the following on 30/04/2008 16:52: > I've been reusing these boxes for years, except that I always wrap in > brown paper. they are the perfect size for models. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16072154/detail.html It should go to court and have the Postal Services nose rubbed in the dirt. Maybe Mr. Adler should just get a knife and scratch one or two of the letters first or failing that, get a jar of lubricant, send it to the Postal Services head office and tell them where to stick the box. > crw59@earthlink.net said the following on 30/04/2008 16:52: >> I've been reusing these boxes for years, except that I always wrap in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Maybe Mr. Adler should just get a knife and scratch one or two of the > letters first They were turned inside-out so there was no lettering showing. I've often had "Priority Mail" boxes sent to me in England that way. (kim) on 4/30/2008 2:45 PM kim said the following: > >> crw59@earthlink.net said the following on 30/04/2008 16:52: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > (kim) How did the PO know they were priority boxes when they were turned inside out? I wonder whether the USPS hqtrs. warned him not to use the boxes, or was it just a local postmaster/postmistress?  SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ > on 4/30/2008 2:45 PM kim said the following: >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > How did the PO know they were priority boxes when they were turned > inside out? That beats the hell out of me? The only way I could tell is when I opened them. The only clue as to what they were previously is their external dimensions. (kim) >> on 4/30/2008 2:45 PM kim said the following: >>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >(kim) there seems to be a lot of unproffesional and arbitrary bullshit in some po's. one here needs to be publically terminated for assholism. >on 4/30/2008 2:45 PM kim said the following: >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >I wonder whether the USPS hqtrs. warned him not to use the boxes, or was >it just a local postmaster/postmistress? I don't know about the square box pictured, but at least some of the Priority Mail boxes have USPS printed in black ink on the inside. They started to do this after lots of bulk shippers (eBay power sellers mostly) were turning NEW boxes inside out and using them for Media Mail (much lower rate). Though I fail to see the logic behind refusing to accept a Priority or Express Mail box that has already been used for its intended purpose (and the proper amount of postage paid). Perhaps they're afraid that if they start letting people recycle USED boxes, the same old problem with misusing NEW boxes will come up again... M. J. Rudy http://www.geocities.com/mjrudymodels.index.html > on 4/30/2008 2:45 PM kim said the following: > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > In Hamptonburgh, NY > To email, remove the double zeroes after @ Some of those people have the frickin' dimensions memorised. I tried that once and got it rejected even though it was inside-out. The clerk 'knew'. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >Some of those people have the frickin' dimensions memorised. I tried >that once and got it rejected even though it was inside-out. The clerk >'knew'. I wish PayPal would "know" the measurements of the standard PM boxes. Entering the dimensions of your box is an annoying little detail that you now HAVE to fill out when buying your postage thru them. Why can't we just put in the number on the side of the PM box ?! M. J. Rudy http://www.geocities.com/mjrudymodels.index.html : I wish PayPal would "know" the measurements of the standard PM boxes. : Entering the dimensions of your box is an annoying little detail that : you now HAVE to fill out when buying your postage thru them. Why : can't we just put in the number on the side of the PM box ?! I think ebay/paypal being "helpful" would result in more "service" fees being accessed. Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes > : I wish PayPal would "know" the measurements of the standard PM boxes. > : Entering the dimensions of your box is an annoying little detail that [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Bruce They must be following government models. That's the way it goes here with the local city government. I lived in town for 21 years and felt like a cow being milked of money constantly. Every time I see one of those bumper stickers that say "I Love City Life" I want to disabuse the idiot of that notion. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > I wish PayPal would "know" the measurements of the standard PM boxes. > Entering the dimensions of your box is an annoying little detail that > you now HAVE to fill out when buying your postage thru them. Why > can't we just put in the number on the side of the PM box ?! Even the USPS website screws up dimweight, why would Paypal be any different? kim said the following on 30/04/2008 19:45: >> crw59@earthlink.net said the following on 30/04/2008 16:52: >>> I've been reusing these boxes for years, except that I always wrap in [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > (kim) I was assuming that it was inside-out but it's worth defacing it a bit now if the money-grabbing tight-fisted gets try screwing every penny from a product that they've sold on. > kim said the following on 30/04/2008 19:45: > >> crw59@earthlink.net said the following on 30/04/2008 16:52: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > now if the money-grabbing tight-fisted gets try screwing every penny > from a product that they've sold on. Ah, but they come free. Thusly, every box not used properly has cost them money. I know one model car seller who uses the freebie boxes and ships UPS. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> kim said the following on 30/04/2008 19:45: >> >> crw59@earthlink.net said the following on 30/04/2008 16:52: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. the flat rate cubes are great. i grab as many as they have just to piss off the counter monkeys. Mad-Modeller said the following on 01/05/2008 07:16: >> I was assuming that it was inside-out but it's worth defacing it a bit >> now if the money-grabbing tight-fisted gets try screwing every penny [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. If you GIVE something away then ownership is relinquished so it doesn't matter what it's used for after that (even parcel bombs) or you say that it's not being given away but on loan with a proviso, like software licenses. > Mad-Modeller said the following on 01/05/2008 07:16: >>> I was assuming that it was inside-out but it's worth defacing it a bit [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > it's not being given away but on loan with a proviso, like software > licenses. Agreed ,so I reckon once they give the box away to the customer the box becomes their property.When the item is recieved at the other end then the box becomes the property of the receiver. I would think that the cost of the box would be included in the postage cost any way . Here in Australia you buy the boxes or satchels before you post the item ,no "freebies" here. SignatureKevin (Bluey) "I'm not young enough to know everything." bluey69@west.net.com.au : Here in Australia you buy the boxes or satchels before you post the item : ,no "freebies" here. The USPS has been dysfunctional for many decades now. The free priority boxes were a way to increase sales, but even a member of the US Postal Service Board of Reagents should have been smart enough to realize where the "free boxes" campaign was going to lead. Add to that a report from the (US) Government Accounting Office (GAO) which states that the USPS can't determine whether their web site is making any money or not. And, of course, the fee you pay for the USPS "tracking" service. All that "service" does is let you know that the USPS has received an invoice for a package, and the tracking service stays that way until it is delivered, at which time the web site helpfully says "delivered". Not to whom, or what time, but simeply "delivered". And to think that UPS, FedEx, DHL et. al. don't charge "extra" for their tracking service. So, it is unsurprising that the USPS makes assinine rules about how you can use "their" box. Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes >I've been reusing these boxes for years, except that I always wrap in >brown paper. they are the perfect size for models. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16072154/detail.html no, not in the real world. On Apr 30, 11:52 am, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > I've been reusing these boxes for years, except that I always wrap in > brown paper. they are the perfect size for models. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16072154/detail.html Am I missing something? The article quotes a postal service mouthpiece: "Reiter said the boxes are a cost to the Postal Service and it supplies them for free to customers who pay for priority or express mail. She said enforcing the no-recycling rule would keeps postal rates low for everyone." If the box is "free" (as long as you pay for priority or express mail), then how does reusing the boxes drive up the cost of postal rates? Even if you really do *pay* for the box (which makes the above quote a lie) when you're sending something by priority or express, I still don't see how reusing it affects postal rates any more than throwing it in the garbage would! Ah, civil servants - trying to find "logic" in their tax-dollar-grubbing little antics is a sure road to madness... As the British say, "Seldom civil, and never serviceable", or words to that effect. John jthmpson@arvotek.net said the following on 30/04/2008 22:43: > On Apr 30, 11:52 am, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > John It's the equivalent to what we call 'stealth taxes' in the UK. > I've been reusing these boxes for years, except that I always wrap in > brown paper. they are the perfect size for models. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16072154/detail.htmlter Here's what is chapping the post office's a.s - right after they came out with the free boxes they found that people and a lot of small online businesses were getting the boxes and inverting them - then taking them down to UPS and giving them their business. An official action figure collector's club (no names here) got nailed with a warning (at least) a few years ago when they were caught inverting USPS freebie boxes, stuffing their member's collector figure shipments in 'em and trapsing down to UPS with them. From what I recall it was one pissed off collector and club member that spotted the misdeed and called the USPS - who take it very seriously I am told and one fella in Denver can confirm. The USPS remedied this by printing their name and logo inside the boxes - but the last shipments I have received from them are plain. They may have been old boxes, but I've reordered quite a few times, I don't see how. The new boxes are red and I have yet to order any, so it would be interesting to see if they are marked inside. As for how can you tell they are USPS boxes if they are inverted and lack the internal printing? I have inverted a few and the distinctive ribbing and color is easy to spot - even easier I imagine if you're a USPS employee. Why did I invert them? Well not to take them to UPS, that's for sure. I used them for the old USPS Air Parcel Post, a service which they unfortunately did not provide a box. The word at the local counter was the Sgt Schultz disclaimer - "I know nothing, I see nothing". It was probably breaking the rules, but USPS still got the business - and at a higher rate than domestic USPS. But again, I was probably technically breaking a law. The new Priority Mail boxes are now predominantly red, but regardless of whether they are old or new you may now use them for the new Priority Air international shipping - no more inverting. So the USPS has acknowledged that one aspect of their rule was rather short sighted. Basically, the USPS provided a nice service and product and as could be expected, a few people tweaked the rules and others just flat out abused them. That's got them rankled over the boxes now. As for the guy in the article, it appears that the USPS is claiming lifetime rights on the boxes. I was thinking the box costs would be satisfied on a one time use when shipping Priorty Mail (and I'm sure they are), but they appear to be looking at it differently. If they try to claim that they calculated covering the box costs on one or two shipments per box I would have to call - "bullshit!". It's unlikely anyone would have factored in boxes being used more than once and amortizing the costs across several shipments. In a perfect world or at Walgreens, I suppose. I'm just glad I don't have to invert them anymore when shipping overseas. It wasn't difficult, but it's one less thing to muck around with. IF they want to really do something I wish they would offer some bigger sizes. Something to hold a big Monogram 1/48th WWII bomber kit would scratch my last itch. WmB >> I've been reusing these boxes for years, except that I always wrap in >> brown paper. they are the perfect size for models. [quoted text clipped - 55 lines] > >WmB i'm digitizing a rather extensive record collection for a friend and we use the same boxes over and over. the major reason is that the boxes the po sells are really overpriced. we also have a.shole clerks who are ALWAYS there. we paste cd label leftover sticky parts over any signs of prior use. one of said clerks is working up to cardiac arrest when he sees them. i hope to see it. the ps sucks donkey shlong. > >> I've been reusing these boxes for years, except that I always wrap in > >> brown paper. they are the perfect size for models. [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > cardiac arrest when he sees them. i hope to see it. > the ps sucks donkey shlong. That last one to arrive here had more tape than paper surface. It was a major engineering feat to find a way in. :) Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> In article <58mdnYJ88J5OYoXVnZ2dnUVZ_quhnZ2d@earthlink.com>, " WmB" > <HELLinhock@earthlink.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. hehe. how many times did we reuse that box? i hope you saved it, it has at least one more rt in it. the last record box from ma was about 35lbs of vinyl and 10 lbs of box, tape, stickers and bubble wrap. and sent media mail. the counter monkeys really hate that. someone typed out: >>That last one to arrive here had more tape than paper surface. >>It was a major engineering feat to find a way in. :) > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > hehe. how many times did we reuse that box? i hope you saved it, it > has at least one more rt in it. Its last trip was via Good's Disposal, I'm sorry to say. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >someone typed out: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. we'll have to start a new messterpiece. > As for how can you tell they are USPS boxes if they are inverted and > lack the internal printing? I have inverted a few and the distinctive > ribbing and color is easy to spot - even easier I imagine if you're a > USPS employee. A friend wrapped his box in brown paper before posting to me so there was nothing to give away its origin except as mentioned its overall dimensions. (kim) > > As for how can you tell they are USPS boxes if they are inverted and > > lack the internal printing? I have inverted a few and the distinctive [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > (kim) don''t buy the brown wrapping paper from Ikea. its almost see thru. my priority boxes went thru just fine, but I think in the future I will buy the better stuff. Craig >> > As for how can you tell they are USPS boxes if they are inverted and >> > lack the internal printing? I have inverted a few and the distinctive [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Craig i use paper bags from the supermarket. tell them paper and plastic and you have a ready source of strong wrapping paper. cut into sheets, put the logo inside and whoa la. store bought wrapping paper is crappy. I used a P.O. box for thirty+ years as my primary address. Our local post office got the mail into the PO box later and later, even though they had signs everywhere stating that the P.O. box mail would be out by 0930. Many, many complaints later they dealt with it. Changed the signs to read "Out by 12:00 Noon". They can't even live up to that. I no longer have a P.O. Box. Tom On May 1, 5:48 pm, some...@some.domain wrote: > In article <e974fcbe-731f-43e9-8e8d-512c70d6a...@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com>, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > - Show quoted text - on 5/1/2008 8:48 PM someone@some.domain said the following: > >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > inside and whoa la. store bought wrapping paper is crappy. > Brown paper makes the best smoothing 'sandpaper' after you've used all of the finest wet-dry sandpaper. And Automotive Polishing Compound does a nice job on polishing up afterwards. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ >>> As for how can you tell they are USPS boxes if they are inverted and >>> lack the internal printing? I have inverted a few and the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > my priority boxes went thru just fine, but I think in the future I > will buy the better stuff. Yeah, the guy who posted to me used that old-fashioned stuff with the rough surface finish and he doubled it up too as an extra security precaution. I removed the wrapping so carefully I was able to send it back to him around another box! :o) (kim) crw59@earthlink.net said the following on 30/04/2008 16:52: > I've been reusing these boxes for years, except that I always wrap in > brown paper. they are the perfect size for models. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16072154/detail.html If any of my stuff has to go by ship I might mess with their heads and paste this logo on; http://www.atlanticbeachpark.com/images/Whtstar2.gif >crw59@earthlink.net said the following on 30/04/2008 16:52: >> I've been reusing these boxes for years, except that I always wrap in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >http://www.atlanticbeachpark.com/images/Whtstar2.gif except that nothing from the usps goe by sea anymore. or so they claim. I've reused thoose boxes several times. This is just another example of THE MAN holding us down for trying to be green. :-P > I've been reusing these boxes for years, except that I always wrap in > brown paper. they are the perfect size for models. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16072154/detail.html > I've reused thoose boxes several times. This is just another example > of THE MAN holding us down for trying to be green. :-P They reckon they want us to be green and so they introduce taxes to force us to be green. But if we *try* to be green, they throw obstacles in our way. They don't actually *want* us to be green. They just want our money... SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. ...it's not easy being green...global warming - I'm all for it. I'm getting ready to put a set of de-motivational slides together around that theme...women wearing fur, baby seals getting clubbed, oil spills, wells on fire, Greenpeace boats getting run over by aircraft carriers...you get the drill... ...I'm bent like dat. Signature- Rufus > I've reused thoose boxes several times. This is just another example of THE > MAN holding us down for trying to be green. :-P [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16072154/detail.html > ...it's not easy being green... *point* >global warming - I'm all for it. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ...I'm bent like dat. *snigger* SignatureEnzo I wear the cheese. It does not wear me. >....it's not easy being green...global warming - I'm all for it. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >....I'm bent like dat. i don't like greenpiece. if you think you're donating to them when someone knocks, you're not. the pay fundraisers 45% to collect for them. they did provide a nice recreation dive for scuba nuts.... > ...it's not easy being green...global warming - I'm all for it. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >> > >> http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16072154/detail.html I have absolutely no problem with women wearing fur, especially if that's the main thing they are wearing. ;) Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> ...it's not easy being green...global warming - I'm all for it. >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. I like nighties with fur trim along the bottom. Helps to keep thier necks warm. Frank >> ...it's not easy being green...global warming - I'm all for it. >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. ...you know it's February in Chicago when people openly wear and advertise fur, and nobody has a damn thing to say about it... Signature- Rufus >>> ...it's not easy being green...global warming - I'm all for it. >>> [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >....you know it's February in Chicago when people openly wear and >advertise fur, and nobody has a damn thing to say about it... stan behind a matron in mink on an elevator and making ssssssssssssss sounds. can you say hate looks? >>>> ...it's not easy being green...global warming - I'm all for it. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > stan behind a matron in mink on an elevator and making ssssssssssssss > sounds. can you say hate looks? ...anywhere it don't get cold, I'd reckon. Folks were all furred up just a couple years ago. Adds all over O'Hare, too. Nuke da whales! Signature- Rufus >>>>> ...it's not easy being green...global warming - I'm all for it. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Nuke da whales! nuke fat chicks-vintage 70's poster on many walls >> ...it's not easy being green...global warming - I'm all for it. >> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. mmmmmm, mink bikinis, 60's movies. dr strangelove or something. : mmmmmm, mink bikinis, 60's movies. dr strangelove or something. 1,000,000 BC. Racquel Welch, pteredons and lizards. "Cave Man" is also pretty good. Totally different genre, but good for laughs. No fur bikinis in "Dr. Strangelove", but I hear a fellar can have a pretty good time in Vegas with that Air Force survival kit... Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes >: mmmmmm, mink bikinis, 60's movies. dr strangelove or something. >: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bruce 20 rubles in gold, 4 chocolate bars and a pack of condoms... > : mmmmmm, mink bikinis, 60's movies. dr strangelove or something. > : [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Bruce Personally, I liked "Quest for Fire"... Signature- Rufus >> : mmmmmm, mink bikinis, 60's movies. dr strangelove or something. >> : [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Personally, I liked "Quest for Fire"... was that a raquel welch, too? on 5/13/2008 12:02 AM someone@some.domain said the following: > >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > was that a raquel welch, too? > Rae Dawn Chong (daughter of Tommy Chong of "Cheech and Chong" fame). SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ > on 5/13/2008 12:02 AM someone@some.domain said the following: >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> > Rae Dawn Chong (daughter of Tommy Chong of "Cheech and Chong" fame). ...with mo' Chong, and less fur...like none... Signature- Rufus on 5/13/2008 8:46 PM Rufus said the following: >> on 5/13/2008 12:02 AM someone@some.domain said the following: >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > ....with mo' Chong, and less fur...like none... Yeah, just a chalk-like covering. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ : Personally, I liked "Quest for Fire"... Ufff. Elephants dressed in shag carpeting. That is what I remember from that stinker. Bruce Signature------------------------------------------------------------------------ "I like bad!" Bruce Burden Austin, TX. - Thuganlitha The Power and the Prophet Robert Don Hughes > >> ...it's not easy being green...global warming - I'm all for it. > >> [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > mmmmmm, mink bikinis, 60's movies. dr strangelove or something. Raqel Welch in a caveman movie, "something-or-other B.C.". That's one to see just for her appearance there. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. > some...@some.domain wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - Show quoted text - One Million Years BC http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060782/ > > some...@some.domain wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > One Million Years BC > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060782/ Thank you! Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >I've reused thoose boxes several times. This is just another example of THE >MAN holding us down for trying to be green. :-P [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16072154/detail.html the usps is a second rate shipper and greedy pigs to boot. it's better for them to throw away renewable resource than even have to think some might beat them for a few pennies. fer chissakes, he wasn't trying to deceive the smf's! On Apr 30, 11:52 am, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote: > I've been reusing these boxes for years, except that I always wrap in > brown paper. they are the perfect size for models. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/16072154/detail.html "The Postal Service said it promotes recycling, as long as customers pay accordingly," huh? z said the following on 12/05/2008 19:06: > On Apr 30, 11:52 am, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > huh? You could always do what someone spoke about in a comedy programme long ago and that's to fill a balloon with helium, put it in a box so that it floats and get the post office to pay you to have it delivered. |
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