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crw59@earthlink.net - 27 May 2008 04:49 GMT
S Intrepid, survivor of war, faces new peril
By RICHARD PYLE
The Associated Press
May 24, 2008
Once it was Japanese torpedoes and kamikaze suicide planes. Then, the
threat of the wrecking ball. Now, it's money _ or the lack of it _
that could imperil the future of the USS Intrepid.
Nineteen months after tugboats pried it from the mud at its Hudson
River pier and towed it away for a much-needed renovation, the
legendary World War II aircraft carrier needs a sizable infusion of
cash to resume its postwar career as a floating military museum.
If all goes according to plan, the ship will be brought back in early
October and formally reopened to the public on Nov. 11, Veterans Day.
That depends on finding the wherewithal to complete the job that was
first estimated at $65 million to $70 million and is now expected to
cost $110 million overall, said Bill White, president of the USS
Intrepid Sea, Air & Space Museum. Of that total, $66 million is for
rebuilding its city-owned pier, and the rest for the museum ship
itself.
Already, in what he admits was a move he never expected would be
necessary, White has put the Intrepid's $15 million endowment up as
collateral to cover expenses. That money would be repaid, he said. In
addition, he asked the federal government to pony up more money for
costs of returning the ship, including $9 million to $12 million for
dredging a trench for it to rest in.
White insists, however, that both monetary goals and the November
deadline will be met.
'We are going to get this done, come hell or high water _ hopefully,
the latter,' he said in an interview this week.
Intrepid, one of the Navy's fabled Essex-class carriers widely
credited with winning the Pacific war, was launched in 1943 and fought
in every major battle prior to Japan's surrender in 1945. Repeatedly
it sustained heavy damage, was patched up and sent back into the fray.
Among five WWII carriers serving today as floating museums, none has a
combat record to match the ship that survived five kamikaze attacks
and lost 270 crew members.
Intrepid also served in the Korean and Vietnam wars and was twice a
recovery ship for Mercury astronauts before being retired in 1974.
A former restaurateur, White has raised millions for the Intrepid
museum and its related charitable enterprises serving families of dead
and wounded service members.
'We want people to understand that while $110 million is a lot of
money, it is difficult to put a price on honoring our nation's
heroes,' he said.
'The idea that this ship could survive all that it did in wartime and
60 years later face a new threat to its existence would be
unacceptable. To be without USS Intrepid is unimaginable and that is
never going to happen.'
The Intrepid now sits at a former Navy pier on Staten Island, looking
_ for the moment _ not all that much better than when real estate
tycoon Zachary Fisher ransomed it from a Philadelphia scrapyard in
1979, had it towed to New York and turned it into one of the city's
most popular tourist attractions.
While its 900-foot hull has been repaired and repainted Navy gray, the
interior is a jumbled work in progress, as workers open up crew
quarters and other spaces not previously accessible to the public and
create new exhibits on the hangar deck.
When the $10 million installation is complete, interactive digital
displays will be side by side with real WWII aircraft and a Soviet-
built MiG-21 in an open space running the length of the ship.
The emphasis, along with tourism, will be on education, in keeping
with K-12 science and history programs that the museum already
sponsors in city schools, drawing some 50,000 students a year, says
Intrepid director Susan Marenoff.
The ship's collection of some three dozen aircraft _ some of them rare
_ has undergone refurbishment elsewhere, and efforts are under way to
trace each one's history and find pilots who flew them to get their
stories on record.
Once ensconced at its Hudson River pier in 1981, the old warship
needed time to gain public acceptance. Except for the annual Fleet
Week visitation _ ongoing this week _ the U.S. Navy rarely shows up in
New York City and is largely ignored when it does.
Over time, both the Intrepid and its city-owned pier deteriorated so
badly that in November 2006, the ship was ingloriously dragged out of
the mud and towed to New Jersey for the two-year overhaul.
At every stage, the work has cost more than had been anticipated. Just
pulling the ship out of 17 feet of mud and bringing it back will cost
some $19 million, nearly four times the original estimate, White said.
That includes dredging the new trench where the ship will rest as the
mud again embraces and protects the aging hull.
The pier itself had to be replaced with a new 700-foot structure on
pilings sunk into the harbor bed, said Noreen Doyle, a vice president
of the
Bruce Burden - 28 May 2008 03:51 GMT
:                                   Of that total, $66 million is for
: rebuilding its city-owned pier, and the rest for the museum ship
: itself.

    Okay, obvious question - why isn't the city rebuilding their
   own pier? Granted the ship caused the damage, but what else is
   the city doing wit the pier?

: Intrepid, one of the Navy's fabled Essex-class carriers widely
: credited with winning the Pacific war, was launched in 1943 and fought
: in every major battle prior to Japan's surrender in 1945.

    _Every_ major battle? I guess nothing happened in 1942, then.

: Among five WWII carriers serving today as floating museums, none has a
: combat record to match the ship that survived five kamikaze attacks
: and lost 270 crew members.

    Not my fault the USN lacked the foresight to turn CV-7 into a
   museum ship...

: 'The idea that this ship could survive all that it did in wartime and
: 60 years later face a new threat to its existence would be
: unacceptable. To be without USS Intrepid is unimaginable and that is
: never going to happen.'

    Considering that the most decorated WWII ship would up as
   razor blades not too long after the way, I would not be too sure
   about making such statements.

    Still, I hope they can pull it off.

    Did they get any funds out of the Discovery/History channels
  show on wrestling her out of the muck? And, will they removed the
  propellors this time? I know the scrap value of them won't make
  a big dent, unfortunately.

: The Intrepid now sits at a former Navy pier on Staten Island, looking
: _ for the moment _ not all that much better than when real estate
: tycoon Zachary Fisher ransomed it from a Philadelphia scrapyard in
: 1979, had it towed to New York and turned it into one of the city's
: most popular tourist attractions.

    You would think that, if this were the case, the Shitty of
   New Yawk would repair their own damned pier, and give the museum
   some slack.

    Perhaps the alien that represents NY could pony up some money.
   Oh, wait, she is riding her cam-pain down in flamees, never mind...

: The ship's collection of some three dozen aircraft _ some of them rare
: _ has undergone refurbishment elsewhere, and efforts are under way to
: trace each one's history and find pilots who flew them to get their
: stories on record.

    That probably added some bucks to the process. It can't be good
   them them to sit on the deck year-in-year-out in a salt water
   environment.

: Once ensconced at its Hudson River pier in 1981, the old warship
: needed time to gain public acceptance. Except for the annual Fleet
: Week visitation _ ongoing this week _ the U.S. Navy rarely shows up in
: New York City and is largely ignored when it does.

    I saw a very brief article about Fleet Week this year. The
   point seemed to be that it was one of the smallest Fleet Weeks in
   recent years. I guess that is what happens when the Comman-dumber
   in Chief is busy playiner Crusades, instead of golf. But, he is
   sacrificing, right...

: At every stage, the work has cost more than had been anticipated. Just
: pulling the ship out of 17 feet of mud and bringing it back will cost
: some $19 million, nearly four times the original estimate, White said.

    Hmmm, I am sure this has to be the first time in history that
   estimates have come in too low.

    Still, I am sure the museum felt it had to do "something" with
   the ship, and repairing the pier was not something that could be
   put off.

: That includes dredging the new trench where the ship will rest as the
: mud again embraces and protects the aging hull.
: The pier itself had to be replaced with a new 700-foot structure on
: pilings sunk into the harbor bed, said Noreen Doyle, a vice president
: of the

    And, hopefully, the pier won't pull apart again. I wonder if
   they have some kind of guarantee? Also, if the museum goes under, the
   shitty of NY has a nice new pier to use. Sweet!

                            Bruce
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Gernot Hassenpflug - 29 May 2008 01:34 GMT
> :                                   Of that total, $66 million is for
> : rebuilding its city-owned pier, and the rest for the museum ship
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>     own pier? Granted the ship caused the damage, but what else is
>     the city doing wit the pier?

It's about money and who's going to profit from it...
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someone@some.domain - 29 May 2008 04:50 GMT
>> :                                   Of that total, $66 million is for
>> : rebuilding its city-owned pier, and the rest for the museum ship
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>
>It's about money and who's going to profit from it...
it won't be the public....
Gernot Hassenpflug - 29 May 2008 05:12 GMT
>>> :                                   Of that total, $66 million is for
>>> : rebuilding its city-owned pier, and the rest for the museum ship
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>>It's about money and who's going to profit from it...
> it won't be the public....

well said my perspicacious friend :-)

About the only thing more snicker-inducing than "we value our
customers" is "we value our employees".
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someone@some.domain - 29 May 2008 05:46 GMT
>> In article <87bq2q9bfn.fsf@nict.go.jp>, Gernot Hassenpflug
> <gernot@nict.go.jp> wrote:
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>About the only thing more snicker-inducing than "we value our
>customers" is "we value our employees".
oops, i'll wipe that persipicacious stuff off....
or that one from lame bands, we love our audience.
hello peter murphy!
as soon as i finish my ju87, it's tachi-time. man, i love that kit, it's the
clear plastic version and kinda rare. tanks again, g. i'm going to try doing
lights on it. they have auto type lights on the rear, so some red and yellow
would look cool. if i can find some grain of wheat bulbs.
i saw the first 2nd season episodes and there were 4 more tachi color schemes
i want to do. the yellow school bus colors were really cool!
i'm going to try to vac-form 3-4 copies of the kit.
Gernot Hassenpflug - 30 May 2008 06:51 GMT
>>> In article <87bq2q9bfn.fsf@nict.go.jp>, Gernot Hassenpflug
>> <gernot@nict.go.jp> wrote:
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> i want to do. the yellow school bus colors were really cool!
> i'm going to try to vac-form 3-4 copies of the kit.

Go for it e! I envy you, I'm slaving away without time or space to
model at the moment.
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someone@some.domain - 30 May 2008 07:45 GMT
>> In article <87y75t918q.fsf@nict.go.jp>, Gernot Hassenpflug
> <gernot@nict.go.jp> wrote:
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>Go for it e! I envy you, I'm slaving away without time or space to
>model at the moment.

i will keep thoughts of workspace open for you.
will you be able to resume soon? your stuff is so cool.
Val Kraut - 31 May 2008 21:18 GMT
"> Perhaps the alien that represents NY could pony up some money.
>    Oh, wait, she is riding her cam-pain down in flamees, never mind...

She's more interested in real American Culture like cut-out appropriations
for a Wood Stock museum upstate to immortalize the Hippies and Pot Heads of
her class. War ship - oh no not that liberal lady.
 
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