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Model Forum / General / Models / June 2008French WW2 aircraft paints?
Hello all, After nearly two years hiatus, I have space to build again. Hoorah!!! I rashly bought a Pegasus 1:72 Arsenal VG33 to build, and while it looks nice and easy, I find terrific difficulty in locating paints. Pegasus says: Name: FS: Xtracolor: ----- --- ---------- Khaki: FS30099 X384 Gris Bleu Clair (light blue gray): FS35189 X389 Gris Bleu Fonce (dark blue gray): FS35164 X395 Terre de Sienne (earth brown): FS30117 X387 Now, here in Japan I cannot find Xtracolor, and none of the Gunze Sangyo, Mr. Color, Tamiya or Pitroad paints seem to match. I don't know what Tamiya's and Hasegawa's Dewoitine D.520 and so on use, but maybe mixes? Hannants sells Xtracolor of course, but I can only find X395 in their catalogue at present. Does anyone know of suitable vendors for these WW2 French aircraft colors? Thanks in advance,  SignatureGernot Hassenpflug >Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > >Thanks in advance, if i can, i'll score them for you. did you check squadron? welcome back to building! On Jun 4, 12:24 pm, some...@some.domain wrote: > In article <87abi1w484....@aikishugyo.dnsdojo.org>, Gernot Hassenpflug <ger...@coda.ocn.ne.jp> wrote: > >Hello all, [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > if i can, i'll score them for you. did you check squadron? > welcome back to building! what color white was used for their surrender flags? > On Jun 4, 12:24 pm, some...@some.domain wrote: >> In article <87abi1w484....@aikishugyo.dnsdojo.org>, Gernot Hassenpflug <ger...@coda.ocn.ne.jp> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > what color white was used for their surrender flags? I knew it was inevitable for this tasteless joke to appear, and deliberately avoided it in my post, even in jest, so that *perhaps* some of the French contingent might see fit to supply. Thanks for torpedoing that, Mr highty-tighty schmock. SignatureBOFH excuse #312: incompatible bit-registration operators >>Hello all, >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > if i can, i'll score them for you. did you check squadron? > welcome back to building! Hi e, yup I'll have to check US places now too, I thought going to the source was the quickest, and I see the Xtracolor range consists of a lot of stuff that is discontinued and/or in limited supply. SignatureBOFH excuse #106: The electrician didn't know what the yellow cable was so he yanked the ethernet out. >> In article <87abi1w484.fsf@aikishugyo.dnsdojo.org>, Gernot Hassenpflug > <gernot@coda.ocn.ne.jp> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >source was the quickest, and I see the Xtracolor range consists of a >lot of stuff that is discontinued and/or in limited supply. let me know if i can help. we can ask rufus if the shop in lancaster carries xtracolor. rufus? non of the mastemodeler match? > >> In article <87abi1w484.fsf@aikishugyo.dnsdojo.org>, Gernot Hassenpflug > > <gernot@coda.ocn.ne.jp> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > rufus? > non of the mastemodeler match? Modelmaster does have French colours but I don't know how they match to the FS numbers cited. Interestingly, I still have some old Humbrol French colours and they do NOT match any of the Modelmaster, name for name. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> In article <874p885zrb.fsf@nict.go.jp>, Gernot Hassenpflug > <gernot@nict.go.jp> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. isn't humbrol french, these days? the paint game can sure get weird.... > >> In article <874p885zrb.fsf@nict.go.jp>, Gernot Hassenpflug > > <gernot@nict.go.jp> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > isn't humbrol french, these days? the paint game can sure get weird.... Kits too. I was looking into the 'new' Aoshima 1/144th Dinah and discovered it is likely to be the latest boxing for the old Imai kit. That's the third different company to sell those Japanese twins. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >> >> In article <874p885zrb.fsf@nict.go.jp>, Gernot Hassenpflug >> > <gernot@nict.go.jp> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. gee, the box is new.....uh. >>> In article <87abi1w484.fsf@aikishugyo.dnsdojo.org>, Gernot Hassenpflug >> <gernot@coda.ocn.ne.jp> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > rufus? > non of the mastemodeler match? He e, I found on the White Ensign Models website that their Colourcoats range covers French WW2 aircraft as well. I don't see an exact one-to-one correspondence (nor easy possibility to cross-reference) for all my needs, so I've emailed them and expect a reply soon. In any case I want to buy some Colourcoats so this is a boon. SignatureBOFH excuse #135: You put the disk in upside down. >> In article <874p885zrb.fsf@nict.go.jp>, Gernot Hassenpflug > <gernot@nict.go.jp> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >reply soon. In any case I want to buy some Colourcoats so this is a >boon. lmk if i can help. we'll get you hooked up. >>> In article <874p885zrb.fsf@nict.go.jp>, Gernot Hassenpflug >> <gernot@nict.go.jp> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>>>>> >>>>>>Terre de Sienne (earth brown): FS30117 X387 /../ > lmk if i can help. we'll get you hooked up. I'm still awaiting a rely from WEM on those paints... SignatureBOFH excuse #314: You need to upgrade your VESA local bus to a MasterCard local bus. >> In article <87iqwotmdi.fsf@nict.go.jp>, Gernot Hassenpflug > <gernot@nict.go.jp> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >I'm still awaiting a rely from WEM on those paints... 'k. > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Thanks in advance, You might check out Urban Fredriksson's color charts at IPMS Stockholm. Part 1: http://ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/colorcharts.asp Part 2: http://ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/colorcharts_2.asp France section: http://ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_france.htm He gives some Humbrol references. Note that the color Pegasus calls Khaki (30099) seems actually to have been called Brun Chocolat, and there's another Khaki, more like Olive Drab, used mainly through 1938. Pip Moss > Hello all, > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Thanks in advance, Add to what I just posted: Polly Scale (acrylics, distributed by Testors) has versions of all your colors besides the Brun Chocolat (30099). You can order them directly from Testors: http://www.testors.com/catalog_browse.asp?ictNbr=58 product nrs. 505236, -240 and -242 They've also got a PDF of color samples: http://www.testors.com/fileshare/color_charts/505000_PScale%20ModHob%20Acryl You'll note that their FS references are different, especially the grays, which are darker. This is apparently also true of the White Ensign paints. According to John Snyder (Mr. WEM), his paints are matched to an out-of-print French publication viewed by French modelers as the most accurate. I'm assuming Polly Scale used the same reference. Pip Moss >> Hello all, >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> >> Terre de Sienne (earth brown): FS30117 X387 /../ > Add to what I just posted: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > out-of-print French publication viewed by French modelers as the most > accurate. I'm assuming Polly Scale used the same reference. Thanks Pip, I'll check that out, since I haven't heard back from WEM strangely enough. The IPMS Stockholm site was not very useful, too many gaps even though for example Xtracolor exists they are not cross-referenced in the French color section. Also, I cannot get Humbrol easily either :-) Or model master... it seems each country has its problems with getting paints from non-national vendors! grrr.... SignatureBOFH excuse #40: not enough memory, go get system upgrade >>> Hello all, >>> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] >Humbrol easily either :-) Or model master... it seems each country has >its problems with getting paints from non-national vendors! grrr.... let me know what you need on the mm or humbrol... >>>> Name: FS: Xtracolor: >>>> ----- --- ---------- [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>>> >>>> Terre de Sienne (earth brown): FS30117 X387 > let me know what you need on the mm or humbrol... Thanks e, got in touch with you on email. Much appreciated! SignatureBOFH excuse #186: permission denied >>>>> Name: FS: Xtracolor: >>>>> ----- --- ---------- [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Thanks e, got in touch with you on email. Much appreciated! anytime |
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