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crw59@earthlink.net - 07 Jun 2008 18:10 GMT
what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb?

WWII bomb detonated in London
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
British Army engineers detonate a large World War II bomb in London
Ministry of Defense: Bomb was the largest found in the capital since
1975
Disposal experts used strong magnets to stop timer after bomb started
ticking
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LONDON, England (CNN) -- A neighborhood in east London was getting
back to normal Saturday after British Army engineers detonated a large
World War II bomb unearthed this week on a building site, officials
said.

Army engineers covered the bomb with sand to minimise the risk of an
explosion.
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An Army bomb disposal team carried out a controlled explosion on the
2,200-pound German warhead at 5:55 p.m. (12:55 p.m. ET) Friday,
London's Metropolitan Police said. Video of the blast showed brown
dirt, debris and black smoke shooting into the air when the bomb went
off.

There were no reports of any injuries or damage to surrounding
property after the blast, the police and Ministry of Defense said. The
public was allowed back into the industrial neighborhood by Friday
night, authorities said.

Two subway lines and a rail line in the area, which were shut down
after construction crews discovered the bomb Monday, were running
normal service Saturday, transportation officials said.

London's transit authority, Transport for London (TfL), said the
police and army gave permission for its engineers to check the tracks
less than an hour after the controlled explosion. The tracks were
clear of debris and damage and services resumed at 7:13 p.m. (2:13
p.m. ET), TfL said.

Contractors preparing a waterway near the site of the future Olympic
Park discovered the bomb Monday. The Ministry of Defense said the
bomb, which measured four feet by two feet, was the largest one found
in the capital since 1975.

The bomb was "enormous," said Simon Saunders, a spokesman for the
British Army's London district.

At one point during the week the bomb started ticking, which suggested
a timing device, Saunders said. Disposal experts put strong magnets
next to the bomb to shut down the clockwork and the ticking stopped,
he said.

It's not uncommon for World War II-era bombs to be unearthed in
Europe. In London, which suffered the aerial bombardment of the Blitz,
bombs are uncovered two or three times a year, Saunders said.

The London Blitz lasted from September 1940 until May 1941. German
bombers attacked the city every day or night for the first two months,
but the worst night was the last -- May 10, 1941, when 3,000 people
were killed in London, according to the Museum of London.
OM - 07 Jun 2008 18:47 GMT
>what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb?

...Depends on the age of the deformed ape skulls they found around and
inside of the casing :-)

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Ralph Currell - 07 Jun 2008 23:07 GMT
>>what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb?
>
>...Depends on the age of the deformed ape skulls they found around and
>inside of the casing :-)
>
>                OM

Heh.  So I'm not the only one who immediately thinks of 'Quatermass
and the Pit' whenever one of these things is unearthed.  :-)

Ralph
Enzo Matrix - 07 Jun 2008 18:54 GMT
> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb?

2200lb is 1000kg.  Both the He111 and Ju88 could carry two of these
externally.

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someone@some.domain - 07 Jun 2008 21:42 GMT
>> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb?
>
>2200lb is 1000kg.  Both the He111 and Ju88 could carry two of these
>externally.

and the old revelle kit had two that look quite spiffy underneath the
fuselage.
Rufus - 07 Jun 2008 22:13 GMT
>> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb?
>
> 2200lb is 1000kg.  Both the He111 and Ju88 could carry two of these
> externally.

That's what I came up with.  But was it an African or European swallow?..

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Enzo Matrix - 07 Jun 2008 22:58 GMT
>>> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb?
>>
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> That's what I came up with.  But was it an African or European
> swallow?..

Huh?  I don't know that...
waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..................

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someone@some.domain - 07 Jun 2008 23:11 GMT
>>>> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb?
>>>
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>Huh?  I don't know that...
>waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..................

stop this skit, it's getting too silly!
Rufus - 08 Jun 2008 07:19 GMT
>>>>> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb?
>>>>
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>>
> stop this skit, it's getting too silly!

...still no sign of land...how long is it?..

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someone@some.domain - 08 Jun 2008 13:50 GMT
>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix"
> <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
>....still no sign of land...how long is it?..

do you sell cheese here?
Enzo Matrix - 08 Jun 2008 16:11 GMT
>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo
>>> Matrix"
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>>
> do you sell cheese here?

I've told you once...

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Rufus - 08 Jun 2008 16:41 GMT
>>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo
>>>> Matrix"
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>
> I've told you once...

...oh...the cat's gotten it..

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someone@some.domain - 09 Jun 2008 02:26 GMT
>>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo
>>>> Matrix"
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>
>I've told you once...

i'll take that lovely green willesleydale.
Rufus - 09 Jun 2008 03:41 GMT
>>>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo
>>>>> Matrix"
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>>
> i'll take that lovely green willesleydale.

...I have to warn you...it's a bit runny...

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someone@some.domain - 09 Jun 2008 04:53 GMT
>> In article <FbmdnWtOTdUXa9bVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix"
> <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
>....I have to warn you...it's a bit runny...

that's all right. i better have some of that
lovely stiltonstaffordwilshiresdale, too.
Rufus - 08 Jun 2008 16:40 GMT
>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix"
>> <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>>
> do you sell cheese here?

...look - I'm going to ask you one more time it you have any cheese.
And if you say no, I'm going to shoot you.

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Enzo Matrix - 08 Jun 2008 16:43 GMT
>>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo
>>>> Matrix"
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> ...look - I'm going to ask you one more time it you have any cheese.
> And if you say no, I'm going to shoot you.

No sir. Not a scrap. I was delberately wasting your time.

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Rufus - 08 Jun 2008 19:42 GMT
>>>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo
>>>>> Matrix"
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>
> No sir. Not a scrap. I was delberately wasting your time.

...BANG!

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Enzo Matrix - 08 Jun 2008 21:25 GMT
>>>>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo
>>>>>> Matrix"
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>
> ...BANG!

What a senseless waste of human life!

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Rufus - 08 Jun 2008 23:22 GMT
>>>>>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo
>>>>>>> Matrix"
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>
> What a senseless waste of human life!

...and now, for something completely different...a man with three
buttocks...

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crw59@earthlink.net - 09 Jun 2008 03:05 GMT
> >>>> some...@some.domain wrote:
> >>>>>> some...@some.domain wrote:
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> --
>       - Rufus

Is Benny Hill still popular across the pond?

Craig
someone@some.domain - 09 Jun 2008 04:54 GMT
>> >>>> some...@some.domain wrote:
>> >>>>> In article <XRK2k.199071$yE1.23520@attbi_s21>, Rufus <n...@home.com>=
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>
>Craig

not as much. pubic tv dropped it.
Mad-Modeller - 09 Jun 2008 05:26 GMT
> >> >>>> some...@some.domain wrote:
> >> >>>>> In article <XRK2k.199071$yE1.23520@attbi_s21>, Rufus <n...@home.com>=
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> >
> not as much. pubic tv dropped it.

Craig's on our side of the pond.
And BTW, I wish our local outlet would give Hyacinth a rest.  Every
frickin' Saturday night at 8PM!!!!  All the while WHYY is running
classic movies on that night and making me wish I had an antenna.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
someone@some.domain - 09 Jun 2008 05:27 GMT
>> In article
> <b9cb00e5-4b19-46e4-986c-1f9414d2bbb3@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
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>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
ears don't work?
how about a 2 wire strand under the gutters?
cheap and easy.
Mad-Modeller - 09 Jun 2008 06:42 GMT
someone typed:

> >And BTW, I wish our local outlet would give Hyacinth a rest.  Every
>frickin' Saturday night at 8PM!!!!  All the while WHYY is running
>classic movies on that night and making me wish I had an antenna.
>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

ears don't work?

Don't have any.  Currently on cable, the main reasons for staying being
C-Span, Pa. Cable Network and WGN Superstation.
When I pick up my converter box I'll check ear prices.  I signed up for
a box because Comcast is about as trustworthy as Ahmanutjob in Iran.  I
decided to be prepared.

how about a 2 wire strand under the gutters?
cheap and easy.

I'll mention it to the electronics genius.  Might happen.  (And the
garage might see the car again - HA!)

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Rufus - 09 Jun 2008 19:17 GMT
> someone typed:
>
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>
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

...funny...having grown up with WGN as a local broadcast station, I
still have to chuckle every time I hear or read WGN
"superstation"...snort...

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maiesm72@netscape.com - 10 Jun 2008 00:35 GMT
What in God's name has a car got to do with a garage?

Books and magazines on the walls, kits on the racks and stacked up in
seven ft. high rows on the floor, small area for DIY tools, the rest
for tons of junk.

Cars belong in the driveway.

:-)

Tom

> someone typed:
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> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
Mad-Modeller - 10 Jun 2008 06:42 GMT
> What in God's name has a car got to do with a garage?
>
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>
> Tom

Which is where mine has been ever since the kids moved back here in
2001.  If the garage was full of my own crap or my parents' it would be
more understandable.  Alas, it's my son's computer parts yard that has
the garage mostly filled - and they moved out three years ago.

Since my car is blue the paint has been oxidising off the upper surfaces
quite rapidly and the primer is showing in spots, interspersed with
surface rust, ergo, why my daughter calls it the Rustang. :(

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
willshak - 09 Jun 2008 12:56 GMT
on 6/8/2008 10:05 PM crw59@earthlink.net said the following:
>  
>>    
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>
>  
He was, when it was on a number of years ago. There was a rumor that he
had died, which turned out to be false... at that time. I was sorry when
he did die a couple of years later. I can't hear 'Yackety Sax' without
thinking of him.

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OM - 09 Jun 2008 00:09 GMT
>>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix"
>>> <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>...look - I'm going to ask you one more time it you have any cheese.
>And if you say no, I'm going to shoot you.

Excuse me, Miss? I'd like to return this Nazi bomber...

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someone@some.domain - 09 Jun 2008 02:27 GMT
>>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix"
>>> <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>....look - I'm going to ask you one more time it you have any cheese.
>And if you say no, I'm going to shoot you.

hear that gromit? they like cheese!
someone@some.domain - 07 Jun 2008 23:11 GMT
>>> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb?
>>
>> 2200lb is 1000kg.  Both the He111 and Ju88 could carry two of these
>> externally.
>
>That's what I came up with.  But was it an African or European swallow?..

and what variety of coconut? everybody screws that up!
Rufus - 07 Jun 2008 22:12 GMT
...hmmmmnn...lemme see...

2200 lbs translates into roughly 1000 kilos, so any WWII Luftwaffe
bomber that participated in the Blitz and could carry an SC1000 (which
is likely what this is) could have dropped this thing - a quick Google
on "german 1000 kilo bombs" found this, for some examples:

"A few facts about German bombers & bombs :

Junkers 88 .Twin engined bomber. 2 bomb carriers under each inner wing,
suitable for bombs up to 1,000 kg. These can be used for fuel tanks. Ten
normal bomb carriers each capable of taking a 50 kg. Maximum bomb load ?

Dornier 217 K2 Twin engined bomber. Maximum bomb load 3,000 kg. Min bomb
load stowed amidships internally. Provision for 2 FX radio-corrected arm
our piercing bombs mounted externally on bomb racks under centre section
between nacelles & fuselage. 9/10 machine guns various positions.

Donier 217 M1 Maximum bomb load 2,000 kg.

Dornier 217 also quoted by Janes as having max. b.l. 5,500 Ibs. plus.

Heinkel 111 Internal stowage 8 x 250 kg. suspended vertically plus racks
for incendiaries. Later models have external 1,800 kg.

Messerschmitt 210 fighter/dive bomber max. 1,000 kg."

My vote as to what dropped it would be an He 111 or Ju 88, either of
which I believe could carry two of them externally mounted.

A Stuka might also have been able to carry one, but it's bomb payload
capacity was 1200 kg total, so that would have been about all it could
carry...even if it gripped it by the husk...

...though the Hasagawa 1/32 Ju87D kit that comes with an SC1000 also
depicts it carrying four SC50s in addition, which gets you 1200 kg total
payload...and it would have had to cross the channel with it, and I
don't know if that aircraft/payload combination could make that range
and have much combat time left overhead.

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> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb?
>
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> but the worst night was the last -- May 10, 1941, when 3,000 people
> were killed in London, according to the Museum of London.
Enzo Matrix - 07 Jun 2008 22:59 GMT
> ...hmmmmnn...lemme see...
> My vote as to what dropped it would be an He 111 or Ju 88, either of
> which I believe could carry two of them externally mounted.

NANG!

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OM - 08 Jun 2008 08:30 GMT
>My vote as to what dropped it would be an He 111 or Ju 88, either of
>which I believe could carry two of them externally mounted.

...This begs the question as to whether the UXB team bothered to check
and see if there were any serial numbers that were still ledgible on
that bomb. The Nazis were such record freaks that, with a bit of
digging, the actual plane and identity of the pilot could be
uncovered.

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Ralph Currell - 07 Jun 2008 22:46 GMT
>At one point during the week the bomb started ticking, which suggested
>a timing device, Saunders said. Disposal experts put strong magnets
>next to the bomb to shut down the clockwork and the ticking stopped,
>he said.

Sheesh,  talk about German workmanship!  Almost 70 years underground
and the clockwork still operates. I'll bet the EOD guys needed a stiff
drink after that one.  :-)

Ralph
Mike Williamson - 08 Jun 2008 00:59 GMT
>>At one point during the week the bomb started ticking, which suggested
>>a timing device, Saunders said. Disposal experts put strong magnets
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Ralph

  On the other hand, if it had worked as it was supposed to in the
first place, it would have gone off over 60 years ago...

Mike
Ralph Currell - 08 Jun 2008 01:26 GMT
>   On the other hand, if it had worked as it was supposed to in the
>first place, it would have gone off over 60 years ago...
>
>Mike

True enough.  On a related note it's amazing the amount of unexploded
ordnance they're still pulling out of World War I battlefields.

Ralph
someone@some.domain - 08 Jun 2008 02:19 GMT
>>   On the other hand, if it had worked as it was supposed to in the
>>first place, it would have gone off over 60 years ago...
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>
>Ralph
not really. remeber that the german shot off over a million shells in 6 hours
just to warm up for one attack. add in the crappy workmanship and high failure
rate. that leaves you with a lot of leftovers.
during 4 years, there were always guns firing somewhere.
crw59@earthlink.net - 08 Jun 2008 04:20 GMT
>Mike
>
> True enough.  On a related note it's amazing the amount of unexploded
> ordnance they're still pulling out of World War I battlefields.
>
> Ralph

how are they dealing with the Geman minefields?  Are they still a
problem?

Craig
Ralph Currell - 08 Jun 2008 16:51 GMT
>how are they dealing with the Geman minefields?  Are they still a
>problem?
>
>Craig

Craig,

I really couldn't say about the minefields.  My comment was based on
looking at the stuff dug up by a small team of diggers in Belgium,
near Ypres. Not just ammunition but all manner of equipment and yes,
the occasional missing soldier.

http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32266

Of course Ypres was a particularly hot spot, but it still suggests a
lot of explosives and gas are still underground across the whole
front.

Ralph
someone@some.domain - 09 Jun 2008 02:30 GMT
>>how are they dealing with the Geman minefields?  Are they still a
>>problem?
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>
>Ralph
they dug up a brit chunk and a german chunk. lots of skeletons, some built
into the wall.
big philosophic difference in construction of the 2 lines....good reading.
crw59@earthlink.net - 08 Jun 2008 01:21 GMT
>he said.
>
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>
> Ralph

wasn't there a public tv show back in the 80's called UXB?  about the
men who disarmed bombs in England?

Craig
willshak - 08 Jun 2008 02:16 GMT
on 6/7/2008 8:21 PM crw59@earthlink.net said the following:
>> he said.
>>
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>
>  
I believe it was a British series that was also shown on PBS's Thames TV
here in the US. I saw a few episodes.

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Gary R. Schmidt - 08 Jun 2008 03:55 GMT
>> he said.
>>
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> wasn't there a public tv show back in the 80's called UXB?  about the
> men who disarmed bombs in England?

Yes, 'twas called "Danger - UXB," and probably also aired in most of the
(Ex-)Commonwealth, at least Oz, NZ, and SA, to my knowledge.

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        Gary    B-)

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Enzo Matrix - 08 Jun 2008 07:25 GMT
>> he said.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> wasn't there a public tv show back in the 80's called UXB?  about the
> men who disarmed bombs in England?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_UXB

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