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crw59@earthlink.net - 07 Jun 2008 18:10 GMT what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb?
WWII bomb detonated in London STORY HIGHLIGHTS British Army engineers detonate a large World War II bomb in London Ministry of Defense: Bomb was the largest found in the capital since 1975 Disposal experts used strong magnets to stop timer after bomb started ticking Next Article in World »
LONDON, England (CNN) -- A neighborhood in east London was getting back to normal Saturday after British Army engineers detonated a large World War II bomb unearthed this week on a building site, officials said.
Army engineers covered the bomb with sand to minimise the risk of an explosion. 1 of 2
An Army bomb disposal team carried out a controlled explosion on the 2,200-pound German warhead at 5:55 p.m. (12:55 p.m. ET) Friday, London's Metropolitan Police said. Video of the blast showed brown dirt, debris and black smoke shooting into the air when the bomb went off.
There were no reports of any injuries or damage to surrounding property after the blast, the police and Ministry of Defense said. The public was allowed back into the industrial neighborhood by Friday night, authorities said.
Two subway lines and a rail line in the area, which were shut down after construction crews discovered the bomb Monday, were running normal service Saturday, transportation officials said.
London's transit authority, Transport for London (TfL), said the police and army gave permission for its engineers to check the tracks less than an hour after the controlled explosion. The tracks were clear of debris and damage and services resumed at 7:13 p.m. (2:13 p.m. ET), TfL said.
Contractors preparing a waterway near the site of the future Olympic Park discovered the bomb Monday. The Ministry of Defense said the bomb, which measured four feet by two feet, was the largest one found in the capital since 1975.
The bomb was "enormous," said Simon Saunders, a spokesman for the British Army's London district.
At one point during the week the bomb started ticking, which suggested a timing device, Saunders said. Disposal experts put strong magnets next to the bomb to shut down the clockwork and the ticking stopped, he said.
It's not uncommon for World War II-era bombs to be unearthed in Europe. In London, which suffered the aerial bombardment of the Blitz, bombs are uncovered two or three times a year, Saunders said.
The London Blitz lasted from September 1940 until May 1941. German bombers attacked the city every day or night for the first two months, but the worst night was the last -- May 10, 1941, when 3,000 people were killed in London, according to the Museum of London.
OM - 07 Jun 2008 18:47 GMT >what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb? ...Depends on the age of the deformed ape skulls they found around and inside of the casing :-)
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Ralph Currell - 07 Jun 2008 23:07 GMT >>what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb? > >...Depends on the age of the deformed ape skulls they found around and >inside of the casing :-) > > OM Heh. So I'm not the only one who immediately thinks of 'Quatermass and the Pit' whenever one of these things is unearthed. :-)
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Enzo Matrix - 07 Jun 2008 18:54 GMT > what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb? 2200lb is 1000kg. Both the He111 and Ju88 could carry two of these externally.
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someone@some.domain - 07 Jun 2008 21:42 GMT >> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb? > >2200lb is 1000kg. Both the He111 and Ju88 could carry two of these >externally. and the old revelle kit had two that look quite spiffy underneath the fuselage.
Rufus - 07 Jun 2008 22:13 GMT >> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb? > > 2200lb is 1000kg. Both the He111 and Ju88 could carry two of these > externally. That's what I came up with. But was it an African or European swallow?..
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Enzo Matrix - 07 Jun 2008 22:58 GMT >>> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb? >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > That's what I came up with. But was it an African or European > swallow?.. Huh? I don't know that... waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa..................
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someone@some.domain - 07 Jun 2008 23:11 GMT >>>> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb? >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Huh? I don't know that... >waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.................. stop this skit, it's getting too silly!
Rufus - 08 Jun 2008 07:19 GMT >>>>> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb? >>>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > stop this skit, it's getting too silly! ...still no sign of land...how long is it?..
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someone@some.domain - 08 Jun 2008 13:50 GMT >> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix" > <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >....still no sign of land...how long is it?.. do you sell cheese here?
Enzo Matrix - 08 Jun 2008 16:11 GMT >>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo >>> Matrix" [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> > do you sell cheese here? I've told you once...
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Rufus - 08 Jun 2008 16:41 GMT >>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo >>>> Matrix" [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I've told you once... ...oh...the cat's gotten it..
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someone@some.domain - 09 Jun 2008 02:26 GMT >>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo >>>> Matrix" [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >I've told you once... i'll take that lovely green willesleydale.
Rufus - 09 Jun 2008 03:41 GMT >>>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo >>>>> Matrix" [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> > i'll take that lovely green willesleydale. ...I have to warn you...it's a bit runny...
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someone@some.domain - 09 Jun 2008 04:53 GMT >> In article <FbmdnWtOTdUXa9bVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix" > <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >....I have to warn you...it's a bit runny... that's all right. i better have some of that lovely stiltonstaffordwilshiresdale, too.
Rufus - 08 Jun 2008 16:40 GMT >>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix" >> <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > do you sell cheese here? ...look - I'm going to ask you one more time it you have any cheese. And if you say no, I'm going to shoot you.
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Enzo Matrix - 08 Jun 2008 16:43 GMT >>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo >>>> Matrix" [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > ...look - I'm going to ask you one more time it you have any cheese. > And if you say no, I'm going to shoot you. No sir. Not a scrap. I was delberately wasting your time.
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Rufus - 08 Jun 2008 19:42 GMT >>>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo >>>>> Matrix" [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > No sir. Not a scrap. I was delberately wasting your time. ...BANG!
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Enzo Matrix - 08 Jun 2008 21:25 GMT >>>>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo >>>>>> Matrix" [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > ...BANG! What a senseless waste of human life!
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Rufus - 08 Jun 2008 23:22 GMT >>>>>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo >>>>>>> Matrix" [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > What a senseless waste of human life! ...and now, for something completely different...a man with three buttocks...
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crw59@earthlink.net - 09 Jun 2008 03:05 GMT > >>>> some...@some.domain wrote: > >>>>>> some...@some.domain wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > -- > - Rufus Is Benny Hill still popular across the pond?
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someone@some.domain - 09 Jun 2008 04:54 GMT >> >>>> some...@some.domain wrote: >> >>>>> In article <XRK2k.199071$yE1.23520@attbi_s21>, Rufus <n...@home.com>= [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >Craig not as much. pubic tv dropped it.
Mad-Modeller - 09 Jun 2008 05:26 GMT > >> >>>> some...@some.domain wrote: > >> >>>>> In article <XRK2k.199071$yE1.23520@attbi_s21>, Rufus <n...@home.com>= [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > > not as much. pubic tv dropped it. Craig's on our side of the pond. And BTW, I wish our local outlet would give Hyacinth a rest. Every frickin' Saturday night at 8PM!!!! All the while WHYY is running classic movies on that night and making me wish I had an antenna.
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someone@some.domain - 09 Jun 2008 05:27 GMT >> In article > <b9cb00e5-4b19-46e4-986c-1f9414d2bbb3@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. ears don't work? how about a 2 wire strand under the gutters? cheap and easy.
Mad-Modeller - 09 Jun 2008 06:42 GMT someone typed:
> >And BTW, I wish our local outlet would give Hyacinth a rest. Every >frickin' Saturday night at 8PM!!!! All the while WHYY is running >classic movies on that night and making me wish I had an antenna. > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. ears don't work?
Don't have any. Currently on cable, the main reasons for staying being C-Span, Pa. Cable Network and WGN Superstation. When I pick up my converter box I'll check ear prices. I signed up for a box because Comcast is about as trustworthy as Ahmanutjob in Iran. I decided to be prepared.
how about a 2 wire strand under the gutters? cheap and easy.
I'll mention it to the electronics genius. Might happen. (And the garage might see the car again - HA!)
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Rufus - 09 Jun 2008 19:17 GMT > someone typed: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. ...funny...having grown up with WGN as a local broadcast station, I still have to chuckle every time I hear or read WGN "superstation"...snort...
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maiesm72@netscape.com - 10 Jun 2008 00:35 GMT What in God's name has a car got to do with a garage?
Books and magazines on the walls, kits on the racks and stacked up in seven ft. high rows on the floor, small area for DIY tools, the rest for tons of junk.
Cars belong in the driveway.
:-) Tom
> someone typed: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. Mad-Modeller - 10 Jun 2008 06:42 GMT > What in God's name has a car got to do with a garage? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Tom Which is where mine has been ever since the kids moved back here in 2001. If the garage was full of my own crap or my parents' it would be more understandable. Alas, it's my son's computer parts yard that has the garage mostly filled - and they moved out three years ago.
Since my car is blue the paint has been oxidising off the upper surfaces quite rapidly and the primer is showing in spots, interspersed with surface rust, ergo, why my daughter calls it the Rustang. :(
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willshak - 09 Jun 2008 12:56 GMT on 6/8/2008 10:05 PM crw59@earthlink.net said the following:
> >> [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > > He was, when it was on a number of years ago. There was a rumor that he had died, which turned out to be false... at that time. I was sorry when he did die a couple of years later. I can't hear 'Yackety Sax' without thinking of him.
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OM - 09 Jun 2008 00:09 GMT >>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix" >>> <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >...look - I'm going to ask you one more time it you have any cheese. >And if you say no, I'm going to shoot you. Excuse me, Miss? I'd like to return this Nazi bomber...
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someone@some.domain - 09 Jun 2008 02:27 GMT >>>> In article <46SdnW9xFakemdbVnZ2dnUVZ8uGdnZ2d@giganews.com>, "Enzo Matrix" >>> <enzo55@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >....look - I'm going to ask you one more time it you have any cheese. >And if you say no, I'm going to shoot you. hear that gromit? they like cheese!
someone@some.domain - 07 Jun 2008 23:11 GMT >>> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb? >> >> 2200lb is 1000kg. Both the He111 and Ju88 could carry two of these >> externally. > >That's what I came up with. But was it an African or European swallow?.. and what variety of coconut? everybody screws that up!
Rufus - 07 Jun 2008 22:12 GMT ...hmmmmnn...lemme see...
2200 lbs translates into roughly 1000 kilos, so any WWII Luftwaffe bomber that participated in the Blitz and could carry an SC1000 (which is likely what this is) could have dropped this thing - a quick Google on "german 1000 kilo bombs" found this, for some examples:
"A few facts about German bombers & bombs :
Junkers 88 .Twin engined bomber. 2 bomb carriers under each inner wing, suitable for bombs up to 1,000 kg. These can be used for fuel tanks. Ten normal bomb carriers each capable of taking a 50 kg. Maximum bomb load ?
Dornier 217 K2 Twin engined bomber. Maximum bomb load 3,000 kg. Min bomb load stowed amidships internally. Provision for 2 FX radio-corrected arm our piercing bombs mounted externally on bomb racks under centre section between nacelles & fuselage. 9/10 machine guns various positions.
Donier 217 M1 Maximum bomb load 2,000 kg.
Dornier 217 also quoted by Janes as having max. b.l. 5,500 Ibs. plus.
Heinkel 111 Internal stowage 8 x 250 kg. suspended vertically plus racks for incendiaries. Later models have external 1,800 kg.
Messerschmitt 210 fighter/dive bomber max. 1,000 kg."
My vote as to what dropped it would be an He 111 or Ju 88, either of which I believe could carry two of them externally mounted.
A Stuka might also have been able to carry one, but it's bomb payload capacity was 1200 kg total, so that would have been about all it could carry...even if it gripped it by the husk...
...though the Hasagawa 1/32 Ju87D kit that comes with an SC1000 also depicts it carrying four SC50s in addition, which gets you 1200 kg total payload...and it would have had to cross the channel with it, and I don't know if that aircraft/payload combination could make that range and have much combat time left overhead.
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> what type of bomber dropped a 2200 pd bomb? > [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > but the worst night was the last -- May 10, 1941, when 3,000 people > were killed in London, according to the Museum of London. Enzo Matrix - 07 Jun 2008 22:59 GMT > ...hmmmmnn...lemme see... > My vote as to what dropped it would be an He 111 or Ju 88, either of > which I believe could carry two of them externally mounted. NANG!
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OM - 08 Jun 2008 08:30 GMT >My vote as to what dropped it would be an He 111 or Ju 88, either of >which I believe could carry two of them externally mounted. ...This begs the question as to whether the UXB team bothered to check and see if there were any serial numbers that were still ledgible on that bomb. The Nazis were such record freaks that, with a bit of digging, the actual plane and identity of the pilot could be uncovered.
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Ralph Currell - 07 Jun 2008 22:46 GMT >At one point during the week the bomb started ticking, which suggested >a timing device, Saunders said. Disposal experts put strong magnets >next to the bomb to shut down the clockwork and the ticking stopped, >he said. Sheesh, talk about German workmanship! Almost 70 years underground and the clockwork still operates. I'll bet the EOD guys needed a stiff drink after that one. :-)
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Mike Williamson - 08 Jun 2008 00:59 GMT >>At one point during the week the bomb started ticking, which suggested >>a timing device, Saunders said. Disposal experts put strong magnets [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Ralph On the other hand, if it had worked as it was supposed to in the first place, it would have gone off over 60 years ago...
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Ralph Currell - 08 Jun 2008 01:26 GMT > On the other hand, if it had worked as it was supposed to in the >first place, it would have gone off over 60 years ago... > >Mike True enough. On a related note it's amazing the amount of unexploded ordnance they're still pulling out of World War I battlefields.
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someone@some.domain - 08 Jun 2008 02:19 GMT >> On the other hand, if it had worked as it was supposed to in the >>first place, it would have gone off over 60 years ago... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Ralph not really. remeber that the german shot off over a million shells in 6 hours just to warm up for one attack. add in the crappy workmanship and high failure rate. that leaves you with a lot of leftovers. during 4 years, there were always guns firing somewhere.
crw59@earthlink.net - 08 Jun 2008 04:20 GMT >Mike > > True enough. On a related note it's amazing the amount of unexploded > ordnance they're still pulling out of World War I battlefields. > > Ralph how are they dealing with the Geman minefields? Are they still a problem?
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Ralph Currell - 08 Jun 2008 16:51 GMT >how are they dealing with the Geman minefields? Are they still a >problem? > >Craig Craig,
I really couldn't say about the minefields. My comment was based on looking at the stuff dug up by a small team of diggers in Belgium, near Ypres. Not just ammunition but all manner of equipment and yes, the occasional missing soldier.
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=32266
Of course Ypres was a particularly hot spot, but it still suggests a lot of explosives and gas are still underground across the whole front.
Ralph
someone@some.domain - 09 Jun 2008 02:30 GMT >>how are they dealing with the Geman minefields? Are they still a >>problem? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Ralph they dug up a brit chunk and a german chunk. lots of skeletons, some built into the wall. big philosophic difference in construction of the 2 lines....good reading.
crw59@earthlink.net - 08 Jun 2008 01:21 GMT >he said. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Ralph wasn't there a public tv show back in the 80's called UXB? about the men who disarmed bombs in England?
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willshak - 08 Jun 2008 02:16 GMT on 6/7/2008 8:21 PM crw59@earthlink.net said the following:
>> he said. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I believe it was a British series that was also shown on PBS's Thames TV here in the US. I saw a few episodes.
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Gary R. Schmidt - 08 Jun 2008 03:55 GMT >> he said. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > wasn't there a public tv show back in the 80's called UXB? about the > men who disarmed bombs in England? Yes, 'twas called "Danger - UXB," and probably also aired in most of the (Ex-)Commonwealth, at least Oz, NZ, and SA, to my knowledge.
Cheers, Gary B-)
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Enzo Matrix - 08 Jun 2008 07:25 GMT >> he said. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > wasn't there a public tv show back in the 80's called UXB? about the > men who disarmed bombs in England? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_UXB
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