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Resin - What's the big deal?

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Nigel Heather - 14 Jun 2008 11:27 GMT
I have just bought an Italeri AS42 Sahariana.  One of it's selling points
are resin parts for the engine and the two figures.

This is my first resin experience and I'm struggling to see what the fuss is
all about.

The parts don't look any finer or more detailed than injection modelled.

There is a lot of thick mount material (not just flash) that will need to be
cut away and cleaned up.

So what's the big deal?

Also what do I use to join resin - just standard poly cement or do I need to
use CA or two part epoxy?

Cheers,

Nigel
Don McIntyre - 14 Jun 2008 13:38 GMT
On Jun 14, 5:27 am, "Nigel Heather" <nigel@<NO_SPAM>the-
heathers.co.uk> wrote:
> I have just bought an Italeri AS42 Sahariana.  One of it's selling points
> are resin parts for the engine and the two figures.
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> Nigel

While I can't comment on the specific details of the Italeri kit:

Resin, in general, allows the mold maker to make much finer detail
than would be possible (or economical) to do in plastic.
 Regular model glue won't work when trying to join resin to plastic
or even resin to resin, you'll want, as you mentioned, CA or epoxy. I
use slow setting CA for my resin.
 It's always a good idea to wash the resin in soapy water prior to
painting. I've used both enamels and lacquers on resin parts with no
ill effects. IMHO, while you can still get the details brush painting,
I think to get the best (detail wise) you need to airbrush, then brush
paint the details.
 Don McIntyre
 Clarksville, TN
Don Stauffer in Minnesota - 14 Jun 2008 15:15 GMT
Resin allows VERY fine detail.  However, in order to do so, one must
have a good pattern first. So the patternmaker's skills are
important.  Also, if made in silicone molds, the parts do not need
relief angle and can then be more accurate (a box can have true square
sides, not tapered ones.

The big thing, however, is that molds for resin casting are MUCH
cheaper than the metal molds needed for die casting, and allow a kit
to be produced profitably in much smaller numbers.

For the modeler, IF the mfg employs a GOOD patternmaker and mold
maker, the resulting pieces CAN be more accurate and better detailed
than in die cast styrene, but it is not automatically so.

On Jun 14, 5:27 am, "Nigel Heather" <nigel@<NO_SPAM>the-
heathers.co.uk> wrote:
> I have just bought an Italeri AS42 Sahariana.  One of it's selling points
> are resin parts for the engine and the two figures.
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>
> Nigel
Rufus - 14 Jun 2008 18:15 GMT
> I have just bought an Italeri AS42 Sahariana.  One of it's selling points
> are resin parts for the engine and the two figures.
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>
> Nigel

It all depends on who's resin you're getting...just like anything else,
there's good stuff, ok stuff, and bad stuff.  Really depends on how good
the pattern maker was/is.

Use CA to attach it, and make sure you join bare resin to bare plastic
and not over paint, and it'll stay stuck.  Epoxy is good for filing
holes or bubbles in a resin part, but not really for making joins, in my
experience.  CA is easier.

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     - Rufus

Don McIntyre - 14 Jun 2008 21:13 GMT
<snip>

To see the differences in plastic and resin, take a look here:

The first kit is a Hasegawa 1/48 F6F (in Royal Navy markings) with the
resin set from Jaguar. There was very little in the way of trimming or
cutting away of casting blocks on this one, and to me it's worth the
cost.

http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/DDonSS3/Built%20Models/Hasegawa%20F6F/

The second kit, a Hasegawa 1/48 F6F-5N (still in progress by the way),
uses the kit supplied parts. The only resin in the kit is the
instrument panel and the wing radome (both provided by Hasegawa).

http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b229/DDonSS3/Built%20Models/Hasegawa%20F6F-5N/

Comments welcome.

Don McIntyre
Clarksville, TN
Enzo Matrix - 14 Jun 2008 21:46 GMT
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> Comments welcome.

Okay then...   that FAA Hellcat is excellent!    I particularly like the way
that you are not afraid to portray imperfect invasion bands.  I know that
the vast majority were hastily applied and very shabby but I've never quite
had the courage to represent these the way I know they should be
represented.

Signature

Enzo

I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

Don McIntyre - 15 Jun 2008 15:23 GMT
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> I wear the cheese. It does not wear me.

Thanks, Enzo. The stripes on the starboard side, appeared to be
overpainted for some reason, but not on the left side. I'm guessing
there was some sort of battle damage repair or something. I was really
leery about airbrushing that part, but just decided to go for it.
Otherwise, I hate messing with them, but I guess for some of the
schemes I want to do, I'll just have to knuckle down and get to it.
OBTW, it's MUCH easier to do with an airbrush. 8-)
Ray S. & Nayda Katzaman - 15 Jun 2008 01:04 GMT
FWIW, let's not forget that breathing the resin dust as you sand may be
hazardous to your lungs.  Supposedly, resin dust is a carcinogen and can really
mess you up - this might be heresay, but it makes sense, anything you inhale
that is not air is not supposed to be in there.

Ray
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maiesm72@netscape.com - 16 Jun 2008 05:36 GMT
I've worked with resin for twenty years now. Never sanded dry, always
with water and wet sanding. Four stage foam backed emory board for
cleaning and polishing followed by further polishing with Brasso and a
good rag.

I did get contaminated by the mold making material, however. Than
innocent-looking marshmallow cream stuff is really nasty. Mask,
goggles, gloves, careful cleaning, the works. Still got a slight case
of skin tags around my eyes. All gone now after three years.

So now I have things made for me. The MAI Super King Air was done in
Hong Kong and came out really nice. Others in the works.

Cheers,

Tom

> FWIW, let's not forget that breathing the resin dust as you sand may be
> hazardous to your lungs.  Supposedly, resin dust is a carcinogen and can really
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> Ray
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Nigel Heather - 15 Jun 2008 10:46 GMT
Cheers, I guess it's just that the Italeri stuff isn't very good.

To me the detail doesn't look that great - the plastic parts in the kit are
excellent, I would say better than the resin.

Also the rsin parts will need a lot of razor saw work to remove the parts
from the huge lumps of excess resin.

Frankly I can't see the point in this case - just added to try and justify
the kit as being special.

Cheers,

Nigel
Don Stauffer in Minnesota - 15 Jun 2008 14:07 GMT
On Jun 15, 4:46 am, "Nigel Heather" <nigel@<NO_SPAM>the-
heathers.co.uk> wrote:
> Cheers, I guess it's just that the Italeri stuff isn't very good.
>
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>
> Nigel

I would suspect that the kit may have been originally intended to be
all injected styrene, and something came up that required modification
of certain parts.  The cost to do another injection mold is so high
that they took a cheaper way out, and did those parts in resin to save
money.  Is that kit a modification of an earlier kit, by any chance?
Don McIntyre - 15 Jun 2008 15:27 GMT
On Jun 15, 4:46 am, "Nigel Heather" <nigel@<NO_SPAM>the-
heathers.co.uk> wrote:
> Cheers, I guess it's just that the Italeri stuff isn't very good.
>
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>
> Nigel

The removal from pour stubs is just one of the "hazards" of dealing
with resin parts. Some companies are better about this than others,
but if you want to get into adding resin details it's one you learn to
deal with.
 
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