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crw59@earthlink.net - 26 Jun 2008 22:36 GMT
took them 20 years or so to get it right, and now that I get it early,
I don't want it anymore...    bad karma I guess

Craig
maiesm72@netscape.com - 28 Jun 2008 05:17 GMT
Came today.

I found a few good deals:Tamiya Nanzan for $1.99; some good decal
markdowns; RPM Rusky Reno Tan at $3.99; three of the Mirage Polish
tanks at $2.99 each; a bunch of Squadron/Signal books at decent
markdowns.

I manage to find a little bit every month, Mostly filling holes in
collections.

Tom

> took them 20 years or so to get it right, and now that I get it early,
> I don't want it anymore...    bad karma I guess
>
> Craig
Don Stauffer in Minnesota - 28 Jun 2008 14:48 GMT
On Jun 26, 4:36 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> took them 20 years or so to get it right, and now that I get it early,
> I don't want it anymore...    bad karma I guess
>
> Craig

The thing that really struck me was the high prices for new stuff. I
guess with petroleum at $140 a barrel we have to expect that, though.
Gray Ghost - 28 Jun 2008 20:24 GMT
Don Stauffer in Minnesota <stauffer@usfamily.net> wrote in news:b279987f-816a-
4bee-84ac-8fb396d50ace@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com:

> On Jun 26, 4:36 pm, "cr...@earthlink.net" <cr...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> took them 20 years or so to get it right, and now that I get it early,
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> The thing that really struck me was the high prices for new stuff. I
> guess with petroleum at $140 a barrel we have to expect that, though.

Indeed. The problem has become though that I was an impulse buyer as well as a
planner filling out niches or collections - Monogram Centuries, Monogram box
scale, Israeli air and armor, etc. Now at the rates being charged such
impulses are very easilt controlled, and collection filling such as US navy
WWII 1/32 air has to make do with older, cheaper kits. I don't care how could
it is $100+ for a 1/32 model airplane that can be had for $20 just doesn't cut
it anymore.

I fear I am out of the new kit market for some time to come. $60 armored cars
of injection plastic is to much, for a tank even it's to much. 1.72 armor runs
$10 to $20, I can handle that. 1/48 armor is getting a little dodgy. I'd love
the Israeli Centurion but how much is that puppy now?

Ships are a little different. Some of the 1/350 US cruisers seem relatively
speaking reasonable. $40+ for a 1/700 does not.

The market I think is rapidly pricing itself out of any possible mass maeket
appeal.

Frank
someone@some.domain - 28 Jun 2008 21:36 GMT
>Don Stauffer in Minnesota <stauffer@usfamily.net> wrote in news:b279987f-816a-
>4bee-84ac-8fb396d50ace@26g2000hsk.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
>
>Frank
are there any mass market builders out there? they sure don't seem very
active.
Gray Ghost - 29 Jun 2008 02:15 GMT
> In article <Xns9ACB9AB20130EWereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142>,
> grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> are there any mass market builders out there? they sure don't seem very
> active.

You know what I mean. I think that $60 1/35 tanks and $120 1/32 airplanes with
ridiculous amounts of parts requiring an extensive time commitiment and
experience are targeted at a specific group of people.

Joe Average ain't biting. I know I'm not. And that's after a considerable
amount of accumulation.

It kust seems to me that given the state of the art, simpler, lower parts
count but still accurate kits could be done cheaper.

Would you like to compare sales of any of the previous generation 1/32
aircraft with the Trumpeter kits?

A 1/35 tank kit with over 600 parts? Who really even has the time?

Frank
tomcervo - 29 Jun 2008 02:48 GMT
On Jun 28, 9:15�pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
wrote:
> Joe Average ain't biting. I know I'm not. And that's after a considerable
> amount of accumulation.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> A 1/35 tank kit with over 600 parts? Who really even has the time?

Know what I like? Picking up something like the Monogram P-51D at a
sale table for $2. Good outline, quick build and God knows I've always
a spare set of decals for it.
someone@some.domain - 29 Jun 2008 03:06 GMT
>On Jun 28, 9:15=EF=BF=BDpm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
>wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>sale table for $2. Good outline, quick build and God knows I've always
>a spare set of decals for it.
i don't know what joe average likes. does he exist?
Gray Ghost - 29 Jun 2008 19:44 GMT
> In article
> <46630ad2-f4b8-44d7-972e-31d20028a5a4@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>>sale table for $2. Good outline, quick build and God knows I've always a
>>spare set of decals for it.

> i don't know what joe average likes. does he exist?

He most likely does not have a $60 1/35 tank or $120 1/32 airplane in his
stack o' stuff.

Frank
someone@some.domain - 29 Jun 2008 20:49 GMT
>> In article
>> <46630ad2-f4b8-44d7-972e-31d20028a5a4@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
>Frank
unless they were gifts.
Gray Ghost - 30 Jun 2008 04:22 GMT
> In article <Xns9ACC93D69EB6CWereofftoseethewizrd@216.196.97.142>,
> grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>>Frank
> unless they were gifts.

That's how I got my 1/350 Lexington. That and it was mismarked at Hobby Lobby
(I think it was $69.99 and I had a 40% off coupon to boot. "Honey at the final
price this is gonna be in the house. Either it's a present and that particular
holiday chore is done or I'll buy it myself."

Frank
crw59@earthlink.net - 29 Jun 2008 05:09 GMT
On Jun 28, 6:15 pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
wrote:
> some...@some.domain wrote innews:nhx9k.139537$fz6.59801@fe08.news.easynews.com:
>
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
>
> Frank

read a review for a new Dragon Brummbar tank.  Almost 600 parts and
they still got it wrong....   I built the Monogram Brummbar back in
around 1975 and it probably had 70 parts.  Looked like one too. Fun to
build without any nonsense of adding parts I cannot see....
"Where have you gone Monogram, our nation turns its lonely eyes to
you..."    Not exactly Simon and Garfunkel, but what the heck.

Craig
Gray Ghost - 29 Jun 2008 19:42 GMT
> On Jun 28, 6:15 pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
> wrote:
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>
> Craig

I was going to mention the Mongram Panzer IV series, I have all of them. But I
figured the armor purists would call in a fire mission on me.

Inexpensive (still), reasonable accuracy, good conversion potential, easy to
build, even zimmerit on some versions.

I could probably buy 3 of them for what a Dragon kit would cost and still have
fewer parts total.

Frank
Don Stauffer in Minnesota - 29 Jun 2008 14:44 GMT
On Jun 28, 8:15 pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
wrote:
> some...@some.domain wrote innews:nhx9k.139537$fz6.59801@fe08.news.easynews.com:
>
> You know what I mean. I think that $60 1/35 tanks and $120 1/32 airplanes with
> ridiculous amounts of parts requiring an extensive time commitiment and
> experience are targeted at a specific group of people.

> Frank

The one that shocked me was a 1:72 scale Boeing 40.  98 bucks!!  My
first impulse seeing the kit was to buy it, till I noticed the price!
The Old Man - 29 Jun 2008 15:59 GMT
On Jun 28, 9:15 pm, grey_ghost471-newsgro...@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost)
wrote:

> You know what I mean. I think that $60 1/35 tanks and $120 1/32 airplanes with
> ridiculous amounts of parts requiring an extensive time commitiment and
> experience are targeted at a specific group of people.
> Joe Average ain't biting. I know I'm not. And that's after a considerable
> amount of accumulation.

I feel the same way. The last "new" kit that I purchased and built was
a HobbyBoss Fw.190A6. The packaging was great, vacuum-formed plastic
sheet housing all pieces individually so they would get scratched. A
one-piece fuselage and loads of detail. Add to this that I bought it
at a K&B outlet for $2.99 made it quite worthwhile. Enough so that I
went back and bought a couple for my godson to try his hand at (to pry
him away from the VidGames for a while).
 
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