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Model Forum / General / Models / November 2008What makes a tank "male" or "female"? Answered
Hi there. Someone asked in another thread, "What makes a tank "male" or "female"?". I did not want the OP's thread to get hijacked so decided to answer that question here. WW1 British tanks were of three main types: MALE = 6 ponder guns in each of the side sponsons Female = machine guns in the side sponsons, no large caliber guns like the MALEs Hermaphodite = 6 pounder gun in one side sponson and machiine guns in the other. Tactics included the MALEs running in and turring parrel to the trenchs and using their 5 poujnders whilst the FEMALES gave suppressing fire with their machineguns. There were experiments with longer tanks for crossing wider trenches but these tanks were not manouverable enough. There were also experiments with tanks carrying a mortar between the tracks at the rear. This was not very successful. Based on this close support role for the tanks British post-war tanks evolved into two types the heavilly armoured Infantry Tank wit a top speed equal to that of a running infantryman and the Cruiser Tank which was lightly armoured and was seen as a replacement for the Cavalry. This Cruiser designation is why most WW2 British tank names started with a C. If the name, such as Matilda, started with a letter other than a C it was an Infantry support tank. Later in the war British tanks sought to combine the two duties but the kept the C designation which why the latest British tank name, the Challenger, still starts with a C. The odd exceptikon to this seems to be the WW2 Churchill tank which was really an infantry support tank. I trhink that it was the first British designed tank that was envisioned to fullfil both roles. Other WW2 British Cruiser tanks were the Crusader, the Cromwell and the Centaur and the Coventer. The last WW2 British tank was the Centurion and was followed after the war by the Cieftan and then the Challenger. Cheers from Peter >Hi there. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Female = machine guns in the side sponsons, no large caliber guns like >the MALEs snip Thanks for a very informative answer. Basically, the 'Female' had holes through which machines could be fired whilst the 'Male' had phallic 6 pounder guns. The hermaphrodite had both a hole and a phallus. Cheers, Nigel >WW1 British tanks were of three main types: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Hermaphrodite = 6 pounder gun in one side sponson and machine guns in >the other. I've always had one question about this, maybe you (or someone else here) can answer - were all hermaphrodites of the same orientation (cannon to Port, MG to Starboard, or vice versa - in WW1 they were called landships, so the naval reference is suitable)? I'd imagine they would be, since otherwise there would be trouble with some turning one way and some another to train the cannon on the enemy, and running into one another! Here's a question - when the Native Americans surrounded the wagon trains and circled around shooting arrows into the middle, what happened to the left-handed warriors? Wulf >> WW1 British tanks were of three main types: >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > trains and circled around shooting arrows into the middle, what > happened to the left-handed warriors? They rode facing backwards! According to folkelore the left-handers did everything else backwards too, "contraries" they were supposedly called. (kim) >> Here's a question - when the Native Americans surrounded the wagon >> trains and circled around shooting arrows into the middle, what >> happened to the left-handed warriors? > >They rode facing backwards! What I heard was that lefties were considered odd enough that they became medicine men/shamans, and never did the 'circling the wagon train' bit - assuming anyone ever did, and it's not just a Hollywood invention! Wulf kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: > According to folkelore the left-handers did everything else backwards too, > "contraries" they were supposedly called. > > (kim) At least that's polite! In heraldic terms, the left hand side of the shield is 'sinister'. > kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > At least that's polite! In heraldic terms, the left hand side of the > shield is 'sinister'. But we have the last laugh. Since the right hemisphere of the brain controls the left side of the body (and vice versa) we lefties are the only humans truly in our right minds. Bill "Sinister" Banaszak, MFE Sr. :) >> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Bill "Sinister" Banaszak, MFE Sr. >:) and what about us superior entities who use either hand for anything? i always use the closer hand. you know, ambiwhosis? >>> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >and what about us superior entities who use either hand for anything? >i always use the closer hand. you know, ambiwhosis? Amphibious.  Signature-Jack >>>> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Amphibious. yeah, me and the gf love watching the submarine races down by the lake. someone@some.domain said the following on 24/11/2008 03:30: >>> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: >>> >>>> According to folkelore the left-handers did everything else backwards too, >>>> "contraries" they were supposedly called. > and what about us superior entities who use either hand for anything? > i always use the closer hand. you know, ambiwhosis? Only both hands? BTW, never cook naked! >someone@some.domain said the following on 24/11/2008 03:30: >>>> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Only both hands? BTW, never cook naked! I'll second that. Those grease spatters really hurt.... >someone@some.domain said the following on 24/11/2008 03:30: >>>> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Only both hands? BTW, never cook naked! yeah, zappa had it right; burnt weenie sandwich. >>> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > and what about us superior entities who use either hand for anything? > i always use the closer hand. you know, ambiwhosis? Schizophrenic? Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >>>> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Schizophrenic? Bisexual. (kim) >>> and what about us superior entities who use either hand for anything? >>> i always use the closer hand. you know, ambiwhosis? >> >> Schizophrenic? > >Bisexual. ...Only if the tank goes both ways. OM Signature]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ >>>>> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >(kim) not as long as women look so good. >>>> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. we are not! neither of me! >> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Bill "Sinister" Banaszak, MFE Sr. >:) ambis rule, we can shoot with both hands and still load. >>> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> :) > ambis rule, we can shoot with both hands and still load. I just read in "Wild West" magazine about Bill Hickok. He usually drew both revolvers simultaneously and could accurately shoot with both hands. I'd probably drop the right gun and blow my foot off. ;] Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. >>>> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. i can shoot with both hands but only aim one. he must have had a very peculair brain. > I just read in "Wild West" magazine about Bill Hickok. He usually > drew both revolvers simultaneously and could accurately shoot with > both hands. I heard that for his travelling show the revolvers were loaded with buckshot so could hardly miss. Likewise Annie Oakley's rifle. (kim) > > I just read in "Wild West" magazine about Bill Hickok. He usually > > drew both revolvers simultaneously and could accurately shoot with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > (kim) And I remember reading that he preferred a cross-over draw, i.e his pistols were mounted backwards and he'd reach across his belt buckle to grab them. And he looked nothing like Guy Madison....... >>> I just read in "Wild West" magazine about Bill Hickok. He usually >>> drew both revolvers simultaneously and could accurately shoot with [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > to grab them. > And he looked nothing like Guy Madison....... I remember when "Lonesome Dove" was on the air that an article about it mentioned the butt-first position of nearly all the characters' weapons. It was stated that that was more normal than what we usually saw in the movies. And right about now I wish I had some of the old Madison TV show on tape. Back in the early '80s I remember it being on the Family Channel but we had no cable nor a VCR. I had to wait for the ex to leave before I got either. ;) Incidentally, Hickok's favourite firearms were Navy Colts converted to handle cartridges. Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. Westerns fan >Incidentally, Hickok's favourite firearms were Navy Colts converted to >handle cartridges. ...Bah, nothing compared to the Rifleman's quick-action rifle or the custom black pistol of Paladin! OM Signature]=====================================[ ] OMBlog - http://www.io.com/~o_m/omworld [ ] Let's face it: Sometimes you *need* [ ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ ]=====================================[ > On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:40:26 -0500, Mad-Modeller > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ] an obnoxious opinion in your day! [ > ]=====================================[ The next time you watch John Wayne's Stagecoach, you'll notice that he's carryig that same rifle...... >> On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:40:26 -0500, Mad-Modeller >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > The next time you watch John Wayne's Stagecoach, you'll notice that > he's carryig that same rifle...... Except for Ford's Cavalry Trilogy, I think Wayne carried the same rifle in every Western he made after Stagecoach. I'd have to watch them all again to be sure. I'll gladly volunteer to do so. :) Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. Mad-Modeller <checkreplyto@nextline.com> wrote in news:qvqdnR8- VrVLna_UnZ2dnUVZ_szinZ2d@dejazzd.com: >>> On Fri, 28 Nov 2008 23:40:26 -0500, Mad-Modeller >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr. I bought a Winchester carbine with the Large Loop Lever. I really think it's a movie thing unless you have really big hands and/or thick gloves. I did not find it particularly easy to operate, way to much slop in the hand/lever contact. Replaced with a standard lever. Works great. SignatureAlways remember: Bull Connor was a Democrat! >kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >At least that's polite! In heraldic terms, the left hand side of the >shield is 'sinister'. like dexter is any bargain? someone@some.domain said the following on 24/11/2008 03:28: >> kim said the following on 23/11/2008 15:06: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> shield is 'sinister'. > like dexter is any bargain? I dunno though! It sounds more of a fun name, a bit 'gauche' perhaps but fun nontheless. I'm just surprised that the neo-Nazi crowd haven't come up with a reason to point at the usual crowd they blame and find that their victims to be all left-handed. >someone@some.domain said the following on 24/11/2008 03:28: >> In article <fZSdnVchr6nFZbTUnZ2dnUVZ8gydnZ2d@bt.com>, Richard Brooks [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >haven't come up with a reason to point at the usual crowd they blame >and find that their victims to be all left-handed. that was actually bandied around during the mcarthy facist america act. i wish the christian hell existed just so he could be there. ah, the summabitch would probably like it. best hald hour of tv was edward r murrow destroying mcarthy. >>WW1 British tanks were of three main types: >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >Wulf the lefties threw grenades. >>Hermaphrodite = 6 pounder gun in one side sponson and machine guns in >>the other. > >I've always had one question about this, maybe you (or someone else >here) can answer - were all hermaphrodites of the same orientation >(cannon to Port, MG to Starboard, or vice versa)? So, I guess no-one actually has an answer? Wulf >>>Hermaphrodite = 6 pounder gun in one side sponson and machine guns in >>>the other. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Wulf It wasn't a technical term. It was just code to refer to cannon armed (male) versus MG armed (female ). Cannons ... phalluses. Get it? SignatureAlways remember: Bull Connor was a Democrat! >>>>Hermaphrodite = 6 pounder gun in one side sponson and machine guns in >>>>the other. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> So, I guess no-one actually has an answer? >It wasn't a technical term. It was just code to refer to cannon armed (male) >versus MG armed (female ). I meant an answer to MY question, quoted above, about Hermaphrodites. Wulf >>>>>Hermaphrodite = 6 pounder gun in one side sponson and machine guns in >>>>>the other. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Wulf That I do not know, I imagine you could have sound tactical reasons for either configuration. Techncially there would no difference. SignatureAlways remember: Bull Connor was a Democrat! >Hi there. > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >Cheers from Peter the tadpoles were just tanks with a bigger booty and more track. that mortar platform was plain stupid. but it looks so cool on a finished kit.... |
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