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someone@some.domain - 15 Mar 2009 21:12 GMT
had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
Rufus - 15 Mar 2009 21:32 GMT
> had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.

...everybody's only window shopping these days...

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someone@some.domain - 15 Mar 2009 22:18 GMT
>> had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>
>....everybody's only window shopping these days...

voyeuristically, it appears.
damn perverts.
Rufus - 15 Mar 2009 22:48 GMT
>>> had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>> ....everybody's only window shopping these days...
>>
> voyeuristically, it appears.
> damn perverts.

Plannin' and plottin' myself, but mostly for guitar stuff and
electronics...although I do think I'm about to drop $300+ on Zacto
Models resin stuff soon one of these days...

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someone@some.domain - 16 Mar 2009 00:00 GMT
>>>> had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>>> ....everybody's only window shopping these days...
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>electronics...although I do think I'm about to drop $300+ on Zacto
>Models resin stuff soon one of these days...

must be nice....
Rufus - 15 Mar 2009 23:58 GMT
>>>>> had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>>>> ....everybody's only window shopping these days...
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>>
> must be nice....

...I'm takin' my time...been saving for a new TV since last August.  NOw
I got a bit more in the kitty than I need for the TV, so I'm doing some
thinkin' and expandin'.  Or trying to...

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eyeball - 16 Mar 2009 00:52 GMT
> some...@some.domain wrote:
> > had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
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> --
>       - Rufus

Exactly. My wife is trying to sell an old book (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/
eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140307792300 sorry for the plug...) to see
what happens, and if we get any bites we have a bunch of others. But
with the current economy, I'm not expecting to get rich. I gave up on
trying to sell my old models there, I only made my money back on a
single item.
MJ Rudy - 15 Mar 2009 22:53 GMT
>had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.

It's been a bottom-feeder's haven for a while now, that's why I stay
away unless I have some really rare stuff.  I was just updating my
disposal lists (post to follow) and I usually search eBay just to see
what things are going for.  The amount of items that either sit unsold
week after week or have only a (bare) minimum bid is pitiful.

M. J. Rudy
http://www.geocities.com/mjrudymodels/index.html
someone@some.domain - 16 Mar 2009 00:00 GMT
>>had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>
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>M. J. Rudy
>http://www.geocities.com/mjrudymodels/index.html
i'm dumping stuff that's next stop is the dumpster. pc's, old rafios, stereo
sh.t. i just don't need the bagage any more.
TankBuilder2@yahoo.ca - 16 Mar 2009 00:14 GMT
> >had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>
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>
> M. J. Rudyhttp://www.geocities.com/mjrudymodels/index.html

Hi there.

I've been trying to send an email from your site but keep getting this
error message and I can't figure out what character is the problem:

You cannot have a special character (,) in Item(s) (required)

Cheers from Peter
TankBuilder2@yahoo.ca - 16 Mar 2009 00:20 GMT
On Mar 15, 7:14 pm, TankBuild...@yahoo.ca wrote:

> > >had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>
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>
> Cheers from Peter

AH it was the # sign on your listing that was the problem.

Cheers from Peter
MJ Rudy - 16 Mar 2009 01:33 GMT
>On Mar 15, 7:14 pm, TankBuild...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>
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>
>Cheers from Peter

Sorry about that, just tested it myself and it's apparently the # AND
the comma.  Any more problems just email me direct at mjrudy AT
hotmail DOT com
russ - 16 Mar 2009 01:31 GMT
>had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.

I haven't even gone to Ebay in months. I cancelled my account I think
it was last summer when a lot of changes happened. I was never a
seller, just a buyer. Bought a lot of model and 1:1 car stuff over the
years, but I just didn't like how Ebay seemed to be trying to get rid
of the small time sellers.
From what I hear about how things are working there now I am really
glad I left.
One problem I have is lots of other places will only take Paypal for
payments, so now those don't get my money either.
I remember there being a lot of talk about boycotting Ebay back then,
maybe more than me left.
russ
WmB - 16 Mar 2009 03:53 GMT
>>had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>
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> maybe more than me left.
> russ

I quit selling on Ebay in late 2007 the new CEO in waiting began taking the
wrecking ball to the place with the testing of a new search algorithm.  My
stuff quit showing up in search almost overnight. Counter hits went from
dozens to 1 or in most cases ZERO hits.  I didn't know why but I could tell
enough to know that Ebay had moved the sand under my toes.

Being that it's pretty silly to list stuff for sale that no one is seeing I
pulled my listings and took some time off (16 months now and counting). A
few months later the other shoe dropped and my pain suddenly had a name -
Best Search.

Ebay's new search algorithm euphemistically called Best Search. Basically,
Best Search leverages a seller's exposure in Ebay's core listings based on
whatever factors Ebay decided are important to Ebay (i.e., bigger $$$ from
bigger people than me). They call it Best Search or BS.  BS is a term that
is dangerously close to being accurate to the current situation on Ebay.

Anyway, for Joe Blow cleaning out his closet or garage Ebay is quickly
becoming a lost cause. Unfortunately the next Ebay is nowhere to be seen.

WmB
mholt@ohiohills.com - 16 Mar 2009 14:16 GMT
I kept my eBay account for about a year only because they would not
remove it.  From the first day I had it, there was phishing and
spam.   Also, nothing on which I bid was ever sold.  I will never go
back.
Gernot Hassenpflug - 16 Mar 2009 15:45 GMT
> I kept my eBay account for about a year only because they would not
> remove it.  From the first day I had it, there was phishing and
> spam.   Also, nothing on which I bid was ever sold.  I will never go
> back.

Indeed. Likewise experience. One would think printer cartridges at quarter
price, including shipping, would sell like hot cakes---but the stupid
system has no way to state the information correctly with regard to what
shipping is for what country, etc. Stupid beyond belief. I much prefer
the Yahoo Auctions and Rakuten auction sites here in Japan.
someone@some.domain - 17 Mar 2009 05:19 GMT
>> I kept my eBay account for about a year only because they would not
>> remove it.  From the first day I had it, there was phishing and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>shipping is for what country, etc. Stupid beyond belief. I much prefer
>the Yahoo Auctions and Rakuten auction sites here in Japan.
hiya, g-man. how are you? hope life is good.
iplan to dump this ebay sh.t the moment my garbage is gone. i just see this as
a little, (very) free money for garbage i don't want. it's actually working
stuff in decent shape, but it's stuff i'm tired of moving.
i may sell some kits.
i wish i was in japan, i bet my old transistoe tapes recorders would sell.
ebay is so f.cking pain in the a.s my rhoids ran away from home.
jthmpson@arvotek.net - 16 Mar 2009 21:41 GMT
> One problem I have is lots of other places will only take Paypal for
> payments, so now those don't get my money either.
> I remember there being a lot of talk about boycotting Ebay back then,
> maybe more than me left.
> russ

Paypal has become the latest Internet scourge - it's everywhere. I
recently did someone a favour by tracking down a difficult-to-find
reference book, bought it, took it to the post office to be weighed to
determine postage costs for him, told him the total, and *then* almost
had him back out of the deal because he didn't like the price of
buying a postal money order to pay me. It was either accept payment by
Paypal, or keep the bloody book. And then *I* get nailed with a 5.9%
service fee from Paypal! Definitely tends to crimp one's willingness
to do favours for strangers... :-(

John
Gernot Hassenpflug - 17 Mar 2009 01:26 GMT
>> One problem I have is lots of other places will only take Paypal for
>> payments, so now those don't get my money either.
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> had him back out of the deal because he didn't like the price of
> buying a postal money order to pay me. It was either accept payment by

I think that's totally fair: the customer gets to decide if he likes the
total deal from his side, and the seller from his side. The fact that
postage and banking costs can be exhorbitant is unfortunate, but it's
something both buyer and seller simply have to factor in. It's
disingenious of the buyer to complain about the price of an item when it
includes postage, but also disingenious of a seller to complain when
postage and other costs make the deal unpalatable to the buyer.

> Paypal, or keep the bloody book. And then *I* get nailed with a 5.9%
> service fee from Paypal! Definitely tends to crimp one's willingness
> to do favours for strangers... :-(

I think the service fee is 0.35% plus a flat fee of 0.3 USD or something
like that.
jthmpson@arvotek.net - 17 Mar 2009 21:36 GMT
> I think that's totally fair: the customer gets to decide if he likes the
> total deal from his side, and the seller from his side. The fact that
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> includes postage, but also disingenious of a seller to complain when
> postage and other costs make the deal unpalatable to the buyer.

I disagree - this wasn't an ebay transaction involving something I had
sitting in the basement and wanted to get rid of - this was something
I was ASKED to buy, and which I went to quite a lot of trouble to
obtain. I didn't ask for gas mileage, either, nor did I even think of
it, until now. "Disingenuous"? I don't think so!

> > Paypal, or keep the bloody book. And then *I* get nailed with a 5.9%
> > service fee from Paypal! Definitely tends to crimp one's willingness
> > to do favours for strangers... :-(
>
> I think the service fee is 0.35% plus a flat fee of 0.3 USD or something
> like that.

That's all YOU know - from my transaction record, the gross amount was
$36.60. The "Fee" (deducted from the amount deposited to my account)
was $2.16 - YOU do the math. Works out to 5.9% on MY calculator. PLUS
deducting the $0.30, to add insult to injury.

John
Gernot Hassenpflug - 18 Mar 2009 01:51 GMT
>> I think that's totally fair: the customer gets to decide if he likes the
>> total deal from his side, and the seller from his side. The fact that
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> obtain. I didn't ask for gas mileage, either, nor did I even think of
> it, until now. "Disingenuous"? I don't think so!

Indeed, you are entitled to your opinion.

>> > Paypal, or keep the bloody book. And then *I* get nailed with a 5.9%
>> > service fee from Paypal! Definitely tends to crimp one's willingness
>> > to do favours for strangers... :-(

Mixing favours with money is something that needs to be carefully
considered, and involves quite a bit of research and experimenting. At
the end of the day, it is not realistic to make profit on each and every
transaction---some transactions become lessons learnt, and are valuable
in that regard.

>> I think the service fee is 0.35% plus a flat fee of 0.3 USD or something
>> like that.
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> was $2.16 - YOU do the math. Works out to 5.9% on MY calculator. PLUS
> deducting the $0.30, to add insult to injury.

Clearly, your astuteness as a businessman in dealing with clients is
unimpeachable.
someone@some.domain - 18 Mar 2009 02:34 GMT
>>> I think that's totally fair: the customer gets to decide if he likes the
>>> total deal from his side, and the seller from his side. The fact that
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>Clearly, your astuteness as a businessman in dealing with clients is
>unimpeachable.
damn, i'm cracking up! best thread all day.
jthmpson@arvotek.net - 18 Mar 2009 21:24 GMT
On Mar 17, 10:30 pm, some...@some.domain wrote:
> In article <m2hc1rzm8v....@NOTE049.local.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address--so-tickle-me>, Gernot Hassenpflug <ger...@NOTE049.local> wrote:
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Okay, I got spanked - let's all try to get over it. Some day I'll
learn to control myself.

John
someone@some.domain - 18 Mar 2009 23:57 GMT
>On Mar 17, 10:30=A0pm, some...@some.domain wrote:
>> In article <m2hc1rzm8v....@NOTE049.local.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address=
[quoted text clipped - 52 lines]
>
>John

will that wash off the rug?
frank - 20 Mar 2009 04:03 GMT
> will that wash off the rug?

Probably better than a bottle of red enamel. Never knew there was that
much paint in a bottle....
willshak - 20 Mar 2009 13:05 GMT
on 3/19/2009 11:03 PM (ET) frank wrote the following:
>> will that wash off the rug?
>>    
>
> Probably better than a bottle of red enamel. Never knew there was that
> much paint in a bottle....

The bottles are specifically designed to increase the volume of paint
when spilled, but minimize the amount when used in the proper manner. :-)

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someone@some.domain - 19 Mar 2009 01:28 GMT
>On Mar 17, 10:30=A0pm, some...@some.domain wrote:
>> In article <m2hc1rzm8v....@NOTE049.local.i-did-not-set--mail-host-address=
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>
>John
`
i wasn't laughing at you, honest. it was a really funny thread.
someone@some.domain - 17 Mar 2009 05:19 GMT
>> One problem I have is lots of other places will only take Paypal for
>> payments, so now those don't get my money either.
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
>John
another nail in the coffin of decency and civility.
z - 17 Mar 2009 04:30 GMT
> >had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>
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> maybe more than me left.
> russ

i used to buy builtups but ebay sellers either can't figure out how to
pack a builtup model or just don't give a damn. i'm not talking about
a package which was treated roughly and loosely glued parts come loose
from the G forces, i mean things like just packing the model naked in
styrofoam peanuts so every thing on the surface gets broken off, or
just packing in what seems to be their recycling for the previous
week; wadded up newspapers and plastic bags, complete with little
garbagey stuff. Even the unbuilt open box kits, with boxes that had
gaping gaps so that all the little parts fell out in transit. Jeez,
just let me know if they haven't invented plastic bags where you live,
I'll send you some by mail to use when you ship.
someone@some.domain - 17 Mar 2009 05:19 GMT
>> >had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>just let me know if they haven't invented plastic bags where you live,
>I'll send you some by mail to use when you ship.

i feel your pain. i got a box of parts from a friend that was supposed to be a
ju86. from the pics before, it was awesome. i didn't loose money but i cried
for his lost work.
thay can be shipped safely.
Mad-Modeller - 15 Apr 2009 03:44 GMT
> In article
> <1e1c49b9-e63d-4c7e-b25b-2ef8b6267401@w9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, z
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>>> I remember there being a lot of talk about boycotting Ebay back
>>> then, maybe more than me left.


It took me a while and some accidents to find a really good way to mail
built-ups.  I started with just wrapping them in tissue paper and
peanuts.  I got too many complaints so I graduated to wrapping them in
polyfibre, bagging them in ziplock bags and then applying peanuts.  If
nothing else, the bags helped keep the knocked-off parts with the model.

Re: E-bay; I quit them last July or August.  Interestingly they provided
me my reasons for quitting rather than letting me express how I really
felt.  I guess it keeps them from hearing unpleasant truths.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
someone@some.domain - 15 Apr 2009 04:54 GMT
>> In article
>> <1e1c49b9-e63d-4c7e-b25b-2ef8b6267401@w9g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>, z
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

yeah. some russian a.shole bid on my sabre auction when i clearly stated no
foreign buyers. ebay wouldn't let me cancel his bid, charged me for the
auction and allowed this retard to write the worst feedback. ruined my perfect
record. and when i wanted to reply the 2 choices were, positive and leave
feedback later. no chance to reply or negative him.
f.ck ebay. ('scuse my reality.)
Mad-Modeller - 16 Apr 2009 05:20 GMT

> yeah. some russian a.shole bid on my sabre auction when i clearly
> stated no foreign buyers. ebay wouldn't let me cancel his bid, charged
> me for the auction and allowed this retard to write the worst
> feedback. ruined my perfect record. and when i wanted to reply the 2
> choices were, positive and leave feedback later. no chance to reply or
> negative him. f.ck ebay. ('scuse my reality.)

That no negative feedback provision was my main sticking point.  
Fortunately I rarely had deadbeat buyers but there were a few.
I really only ever had two negatives from buyers and both of them were
'special'.  The first one seemed to be in a stupour when he finally did
answer me.  He dragged the whole thing out to two months before I gave up
on him and left a negative for him. I should have waited another month
since he responded with wild charges.  We took the affair to arbitration
and I was offered $10 over what his costs were and he'd remove his
negative.  Nothing ever showed up and six months later I gave him an
ultimatum - pay by the 1st of the coming month or forget it.  Nothing
came.

My second negative was from a guy in a hurry.  He posted it the same day
his payment arrived here.  Whilst it was in the negative category the
actual message was "Where's my stuff?"  My response was that it was
unfortunate he'd used the wrong method to inquire and his stuff would be
in the mail shortly.  IIRC, I used the neutral state to answer him.

I don't recall any neutral feedbacks.  Everybody else gave me positives
and I met some nice people and tried out my rudimentary German writing to
some of my buyers.

I quite enjoyed the 'old' E-bay experience and sent models and kits all
over the world.  It's a shame it's gone down the tubes.

Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.
WmB - 16 Apr 2009 07:42 GMT
>> yeah. some russian a.shole bid on my sabre auction when i clearly
>> stated no foreign buyers. ebay wouldn't let me cancel his bid, charged
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>
> Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

Same here. Never made much money at it, but I moved kits and enjoyed the
growing list of global destinations I was accumulating.  I got damned good
at it and ran the thing like a pro. Never a neg, one neutral from a dimbo
making her first internet purchase. I dropped off ebay in January 2008 soon
after I got the dreaded e-mail about the pending changes to feedback. I knew
what was coming and didn't feel like playing pin cushion to the Power Buyer
extortionists I knew would come out of the woodwork. That and when the fees
were all added up it felt like I was paying the buyer to take my kits.

Life's too short, especially now, to put up with all of that nonsense.
Hopefully, something will Twitter into the public consciousness the Ebay
once did and we'll have another internet garage sale site to sell on; one
that is host to 12 million pairs of eyeballs. The sooner the better.

Been following the Ebay horror story on Auctionbytes for sh.ts and grins
ever since. It quickly became less about reading for news of the
Good-Old-Ebay's return coming back and more for the entertainment value of
all the dopey announcements and policy gyrations the Ebay dimwit corporate
managers keep stumbling over.

This is the best one of all. For two years every common Joe with $.02 to
spend in the discussion realized what Ebay's goal was and "advised" the Ivy
League Ebay Whiz Kidz they couldn't and shouldn't try to make Ebay like
Amazon. After all that time of pissing in the wind and running off sellers
following that very strategy, just last month Ebay thru in the towel on that
bridge too far.

Now they're working on Plan B. It's still in outer space and should be here
by 2011 according to Ebay's CEO. Hopefully the "next Ebay" will be here and
in gear long before then or whenever the Ebay clowns finally leave the
building in search of Elvis.

I can't help but wonder if the pussy business was run like Ebay in 2009,
whether the human race would be dead in a generation or less.

WmB
someone@some.domain - 16 Apr 2009 08:51 GMT
>> yeah. some russian a.shole bid on my sabre auction when i clearly
>> stated no foreign buyers. ebay wouldn't let me cancel his bid, charged
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
>Bill Banaszak, MFE Sr.

yeah, well, i ditched ebay and paypal. they are both kiss the a.s of the buyer
and screw seller asswipes. be funny if there were a million buyers and no
sellers.
R. Franklin - 16 Apr 2009 19:35 GMT
Then where's a good place to flog kits? I have a bunch I want to get
rid of, aircraft, anime and sci-fi for the most part....
someone@some.domain - 16 Apr 2009 21:45 GMT
>Then where's a good place to flog kits? I have a bunch I want to get
>rid of, aircraft, anime and sci-fi for the most part....
try your local craig's list.
The Old Man - 17 Mar 2009 14:27 GMT
> > >had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>
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> just let me know if they haven't invented plastic bags where you live,
> I'll send you some by mail to use when you ship.

You haven't lived until you've dealt with DHL out of Germany. The
stuff that they deliver (if you get it at all) looks like someone
shipped you a hand grenade and it went off in transit.....
someone@some.domain - 17 Mar 2009 23:31 GMT
>> > >had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>stuff that they deliver (if you get it at all) looks like someone
>shipped you a hand grenade and it went off in transit.....

ah yes, the infamous last gasp from ww2, das shiessmesser.
eyeball - 17 Mar 2009 14:52 GMT
> > >had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>
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> just let me know if they haven't invented plastic bags where you live,
> I'll send you some by mail to use when you ship.

Be glad it was packed at all. Several times I've had models come that
just had brown paper taped around the kit box. Usually I was lucky,
but I have had some come totally mashed.
someone@some.domain - 17 Mar 2009 23:31 GMT
>> > >had an auction with 11 watchers and 2 bidders. ebay really sucks now.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>just had brown paper taped around the kit box. Usually I was lucky,
>but I have had some come totally mashed.

those bare a.s kits are what provoked to make the cut n fit box.
 
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