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Val Kraut - 29 Feb 2004 02:55 GMT
Anyone build this kit. I'm starting it and am looking for any experience -
potentil problems - looks fairly straight forward. The Bonstell painting
shows pale blue and yellow drop off tanks, the kit advertisement shows
bright yellow and red. I'm leaning topwards basic silver, black and white -
maybe some red as a visibility aid - any opinions.

I also just got the Paul's Martian. This one looks like the Martians ankles
want to be replace with brass rod and beads to provide strength for
transporting to shows etc. But hopefully again straight forward

                                       Val Kraut
Don Stauffer - 29 Feb 2004 16:42 GMT
Actual space vehicles generally pick most exterior colors to control
thermal environment.  That leads one to the silver, black and white you
mention, plus gold.  The silver and gold colors come from gold films on
transparent plastic films.

Of course, this is for technical reasons. Since these vehicles were
concepts, one can try to pick values closest to way concept was
originally shown.  I am a great fan of Bonstell, so would be hard
pressed to choose a technically better color scheme over one he used.

> Anyone build this kit. I'm starting it and am looking for any experience -
> potentil problems - looks fairly straight forward. The Bonstell painting
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>                                         Val Kraut

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Val Kraut - 29 Feb 2004 17:22 GMT
> Of course, this is for technical reasons. Since these vehicles were
> concepts, one can try to pick values closest to way concept was
> originally shown.  I am a great fan of Bonstell, so would be hard
> pressed to choose a technically better color scheme over one he used.

Don,
   Problem with me is I'm an engineer - worked the end of the Apollo
program - so the thermal control colors make it look real to me. The
original mockups of vehicles like the LM were usually all white - then the
Thermal Guys got involved and the flight articles looked nothing like that -
also no two LMs had the same pattern - talk about a lifetime job. One of the
reasons I never built the Revel Apollo set while working the program was the
knowledge that the final thermal configuration was installed at the Cape
late in the schedule. When the Monogram kit came out - LM-5 had already
landed - so it was history.

The one place I would draw the line is pre-50s stuff like on the covers of
Amazings. The men in space ship could have been an actual flight concept.

   I'm not sure about this - but I believe some of the involved black and
white patterns on the boosters were to aid in post launch  tracking camera
film analysis - no doubt about attitude of the target.

                                           Val Kraut
Don Stauffer - 01 Mar 2004 14:34 GMT
Yep, I'm with you  on this.  However, I'd put Bonstell's work in with
Amazing covers, and consider that art.  Anything else, like star wars or
such, and I'm into actual thermal control coating colors.

> > Of course, this is for technical reasons. Since these vehicles were
> > concepts, one can try to pick values closest to way concept was
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Mike J. Idacavage - 06 Mar 2004 15:58 GMT
Val:
    What company made the Men Into Space kit? This sounds like a
interesting model!
Mike

>Anyone build this kit. I'm starting it and am looking for any experience -
>potentil problems - looks fairly straight forward. The Bonstell painting
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>                                        Val Kraut
Val Kraut - 06 Mar 2004 17:42 GMT
Mike,
       Its a Lunar Models Resin Kit. I believe its one of the older sets
from the previous owner - so they end up making it up when you order. They
have a website. Its in the classic rockets series

                                                                   Val
Kraut
Dennis L. Rodgick - 06 Mar 2004 18:25 GMT
>Mike,
>        Its a Lunar Models Resin Kit. I believe its one of the older sets
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>                                                                    Val
>Kraut

Cool kit, just about matches the model that was used
in the TV show.
I have a paperback book that shows a painting of
that lunar lander in its aeroshell on top of a Von Braun
type heavy lifter that was based on the TV show.
Keeper - 07 Mar 2004 07:30 GMT
>I have a paperback book that shows a painting of
>that lunar lander in its aeroshell on top of a Von Braun
>type heavy lifter that was based on the TV show.

What TV show? I remember hearing about a dramatic production back in the early
sixties. Pre Star Trek
tia

Keeper (of too much crap)
Eyeball2002308 - 07 Mar 2004 08:32 GMT
Are we talking about the Disney Man in Space shows?I've always wanted to see
those,if I could find them on tape.
The future the way it should have been...
Mike J. Idacavage - 07 Mar 2004 15:34 GMT
Good news ( I hope!) regarding the Disney Man In Space series. Disney
was scheduled to release this on DVD at the end of 2003. For some
reason, it was bumped back to later in 2004. I have a copy on
backorder on Amazon. The title is listed as:
"Walt Disney Treasures - Tomorrowland: Disney in Space and Beyond
(2003)"

I ordered it last summer and the latest release date that I have seen
is May 2004.

Mike

>Are we talking about the Disney Man in Space shows?I've always wanted to see
>those,if I could find them on tape.
>The future the way it should have been...
e - 07 Mar 2004 18:27 GMT
>Are we talking about the Disney Man in Space shows?I've always wanted to see
>those,if I could find them on tape.
>The future the way it should have been...
more likely dvd.
i'll ask my movie addicted friends to look.
The Old Timer - 07 Mar 2004 16:04 GMT
>>I have a paperback book that shows a painting of
>>that lunar lander in its aeroshell on top of a Von Braun
>>type heavy lifter that was based on the TV show.

>What TV show? I remember hearing about a dramatic production
>back in the early sixties. Pre Star Trek

That would be "Men Into Space", starring William Lundigen as USAF Col. Edward
McCauley from the later 1959. The book is a series of short stories by Murray
Leinster and dated from about 1961 or so.
Unfortunately, as far as I know, the television show was never released to
video, much less DVD.
They were aided by the Air Force and NASA, and used a lot of then-current
models as props, some stright from the box, others with modifications.
For more detail, go to:
http://sparky.ls.luc.edu/~navejic/mis/mis-11n.html
HTH,

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e - 07 Mar 2004 18:29 GMT
>>>I have a paperback book that shows a painting of
>>>that lunar lander in its aeroshell on top of a Von Braun
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>The history of things that didn't happen has never been written - Henry
>Kissinger

didn't they show that nuclear ship that flew by atomic bomb
propilsion?
and project dynasoar?
 
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