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Model Forum / General / Models / April 2004Starfix Vs Lindberg Vs Hawk
ok which one would you prefer to be stuck on a desert island with a case of? You only get to bring one dull x acto knife,a tube of testors glue and an assortment of the old small square bottles of paint in generic colors...and who can still turn out a contest winner? Ok - I'm assuming you mean the Hawk and Lindberg I knew as a child - in the old stone age - I don't know Starfix. Anyway back then Lindberg was clearly head and shoulders above Hawk. Hawk plastic was sort of brittle - and some of their subjects, let alone interpretation left much to be desired. I remember a four stage rocket - they included passengers from an airline kit waiting to board - AND the satellite it was actually launching - a disconnection only Trumpeter could stand up to today. Anyway Lindberg had some good kits. The plastic was a bit thick and the fit left a little to be desired, but overall I have positive memories of Lindberg. I can probably name a few kits like the LST, and Essex class carrier with cardboard hanger deck that at the time were true treasures. So - given it's the paints and glue of the time - LINDBERG. Val Kraut > ok which one would you prefer to be stuck on a desert island with a case of? > You only get to bring one dull x acto knife,a tube of testors glue and an > assortment of the old small square bottles of paint in generic colors...and who > can still turn out a contest winner? > Ok - I'm assuming you mean the Hawk and Lindberg I knew as a child - in the > old stone age - I don't know Starfix. Anyway back then Lindberg was clearly [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Val Kraut Lindberg had some interesting kits, I'll grant you, and without proper references, would I even know the difference in terms of inaccuracies? However, I'd be wanting something that would really interest me, and the one subject I can think of from either Hawk or Lindberg that would give me the most enjoyment would be the big Lysander kit. Make it aluminum plated {!} and that would be even better. In fact, any of the plated kits would be cool. Mark Schynert What? No Aurora?? :-) Bill Shuey > ok which one would you prefer to be stuck on a desert island with a case of? > You only get to bring one dull x acto knife,a tube of testors glue and an > assortment of the old small square bottles of paint in generic colors...and who > can still turn out a contest winner? You would probably sell them on ebay ;-) > What? No Aurora?? :-) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > assortment of the old small square bottles of paint in generic colors...and who > > can still turn out a contest winner? >You would probably sell them on ebay ;-) > >"William H. Shuey" Actually I have built planes from all 3...I actually like Lindberg and Hawk (nostalgia rules) ,just can't understand why they waste plastic to make starfix Starfix kits were breathtakingly bad. Absolutely unsalvageable. GPO >Starfix kits were breathtakingly bad. Absolutely unsalvageable. >GPO I would agree with the exception of their 1/72 Sikorsky HH-3, which isn't too bad. Tom Now that I think back on it a little more - the first kit I built was (I believe I'm right on this) a Hawk Thunderbolt. It was a Christmas gift from our Cub Scout Den Mother. That got my interest going. Then I discovered Aurora - bought them in a woolwoth's 5&10 in Jamaica -Long Island NY. And at the same time discovered PLA paints - now testors. Thick shiny - but to me in grade school - OK. They were molded in color - the Messerschmidt was red, the FW-190 Black, the P-36 Blue. Rivet details consisted of boiler maker rivets that would scale out at about 2 inches across. The pilot was a head molded on the top of the cockpit enclosure. A local store, Maze, started handling models - and a hobbists was born. They were fun days. The Lindberg and Hawk stuff was a bit better. The kid who lived in the house behind ours on the next block built Frog kits - good subjects - dull grey plastic - good piolts - but you had to go to Hempstead to get those. Val Kraut > What? No Aurora?? :-) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > assortment of the old small square bottles of paint in generic colors...and who > > can still turn out a contest winner? > ok which one would you prefer to be stuck on a desert island with a case of? > You only get to bring one dull x acto knife,a tube of testors glue and an > assortment of the old small square bottles of paint in generic colors...and who > can still turn out a contest winner? It would be a tough call between Lindberg and Hawk. Hawk had some beautiful 1/48 kits but Lindberg had variety. A lot of the stuff they made has never appeared in anyone else's lists. I'm leaning more toward Lindberg. Oh, and make my tiny paint bottles Pactra thanks. Bill Banaszak, MFE Is this a crappy kit comparison? Well if I were to be stuck on that Island with a case of any single plane I would go for the Hawk 1/4 scale P-51D. Think what you will but it is an accurately shaped kit. Yes it has no wheel wells or cockpit but when was this tooled? Mid sixties? I dare anyone to take a Hawk/Testors P-51D fuselage half and hold it next to a 1/48 Hasegawa P-51D fuselage half. You may just go hmmm.... Cheers, Max Bryant > ok which one would you prefer to be stuck on a desert island with a case of? > You only get to bring one dull x acto knife,a tube of testors glue and an > assortment of the old small square bottles of paint in generic colors...and who > can still turn out a contest winner? >...the Hawk 1/4 scale P-51D. >Think what you will but it is an accurately shaped kit. I couldn't agree more, and it's still got the best prop available in kit form....  SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." Is the Hawk P-51 the same kit that's in the Testors box now? BTW as for pactra paints...a local antique store has two packages of the hot rod assortment...most of the bottles appear to still be liquid mmmmmmmm >Is the Hawk P-51 the same kit that's in the Testors box now? Yes, but the Testors release is starting to get a bit shabby - they really need to refurbish that tool. Better to find an original Hawk or early Testors boxing. >BTW as for pactra paints...a local antique store has two packages of the hot >rod assortment...most of the bottles appear to still be liquid mmmmmmmm Good eBay fodder if the price is right. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." >>BTW as for pactra paints...a local antique store has two packages of the hot >>rod assortment...most of the bottles appear to still be liquid mmmmmmmm > > Good eBay fodder if the price is right. I think they want 12 dollars each,the package looks good and all the colors are there. They also have a couple of the small,box scale aurora kits.A F-104 and I think an F-105(?),plus several old UPC kits.$10 each but they are taped in sandwhich wrap,so I'm not sure what you'd be getting. I actually have three of the large bottles of Pactra Mandarin Red, Flat Roof Brown and Chrome Silver and they're still good. > Is the Hawk P-51 the same kit that's in the Testors box now? > BTW as for pactra paints...a local antique store has two packages of the hot > rod assortment...most of the bottles appear to still be liquid mmmmmmmm these are the small square bottles with the design in the side...I havent even seen them in @15 years The large ones have been gone over 20 years. > these are the small square bottles with the design in the side...I havent even > seen them in @15 years >The large ones have been gone over 20 years. > >> these are the small square bottles with the design in the side...I havent > even >> seen them in @15 years what's the story on the pactra jars that melt when you put laquer thinner in them? Those jars were made of plastic. > >The large ones have been gone over 20 years. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > what's the story on the pactra jars that melt when you put > laquer thinner in them? I see I wasn't the only one to do that. ;) Bill Banaszak, MFE >what's the story on the pactra jars that melt when you put >> laquer thinner in them? > >I see I wasn't the only one to do that. ;) I remember that...weren't they a soft plastic?Or was that another brand? > >what's the story on the pactra jars that melt when you put > >> laquer thinner in them? > > > >I see I wasn't the only one to do that. ;) > > I remember that...weren't they a soft plastic?Or was that another brand? They were, and still are, hard plastic. However, after several days with Floquil thinner inside they become very soft. I say 'still are' because there are still several downstairs that I'm using yet. Bill Banaszak, MFE > > >what's the story on the pactra jars that melt when you put > > >> laquer thinner in them? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Pactra made their jars and the little square bottles in glass in the beginning and later went to plastic. I still have a fair supply of Pactra enamels in both types. The glass bottled paints are in fine shape but the plastic bottled paints are deteriorating. I wish I could find a source of small bottles at a reasonable price, i would re-package a lot of what I have. Any suggestions?? Bill Shuey >Pactra made their jars and the little square bottles in glass in the >beginning and later went to plastic. I still have a fair supply of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Bill Shuey you could get the emtpy 1/2 ounce jars testors sells,I assume to use for airbrushing (I'm a handpainter)...a bit big but better then nothing.A pack of 6 runs @$5 in my area > you could get the emtpy 1/2 ounce jars testors sells,I assume to use for > airbrushing (I'm a handpainter)...a bit big but better then nothing.A pack of 6 runs @$5 in my area I know about the Testor's packs. But at 6/$5, the quantity I would need would run to a considerable amount of cash. Bill Shuey How many did you need?Perhaps you could ask for a volume discount? I order them from the testors website (www.testors.com) and got a pretty good deal on individual bottles. > I actually have three of the large bottles of Pactra Mandarin Red, Flat > Roof Brown and Chrome Silver and they're still good. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> the hot rod assortment...most of the bottles appear to still be liquid >> mmmmmmmm I have a set of the Pactra paints I got as a set of military colors. I haven't a freaking clue as to hold they are but they could go back to my teen years. Some of the bottles are shot but I used one not long ago. Pretty much if it's still liquid Pactra will work, not always the case with Testors. > I have a set of the Pactra paints I got as a set of military colors. I > haven't a freaking clue as to hold they are but they could go back to my > teen years. Some of the bottles are shot but I used one not long ago. Guys, you know you're getting old when you cry because your very last bottle of Official Paints just now dried out. Tom > Guys, you know you're getting old when you cry because your very last bottle of > Official Paints just now dried out. > > Tom Ooohhh Man! Are you ever giving away your age! I've got two or three bottles down stair that I keep just for curiosity sake. One is still good, German Green 71. The bottle of Japanese grey and U.S. Zinc Chromate have solidified. Do you also remember His-Air-Dec? Bill Shuey Don't have any official left - chucked it when it hardened or gooped up. But I do still have some original floquil from those days - its still good and until the enamels the colors never changed. One of our cats got the last model I did with Official - Revel Me-109 winter camo. Val Kraut I had a good batch of Official Paints not too many years ago. They were used as part of the set decorations for a movie that I worked on called "Radio Flyer". We did a '60s period hobby shop with every tiny detail perfect. Got cut from the final release :-( Made a hell of a lot of money, though :-) Tom >Do you also remember His-Air-Dec? Not only remember, I have most of the magazines and a great many of the decals. Still use them on occasion. Thursday night IPMS Santa Rosa had a short stack of magazines that went for a few dollars, decals intact. Tom > > Guys, you know you're getting old when you cry because your very last bottle of > > Official Paints just now dried out. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Bill Shuey I not only remember them, I still occasionally use them. They sure are thick compared to today's decals. No wonder Solvaset was created! Bill Banaszak, MFE > Guys, you know you're getting old when you cry because your very last bottle of > Official Paints just now dried out. > > Tom I thought they were sold dried out. Bill Banaszak, MFE I used to try to buy the large bottles for two reasons. One, is you got more paint for the allowance money. Two, when the jar was empty it was not thrown away. Instead these were added to the airbrush supplies as the bottles were a perfect fit for my Paasche H3 bottle caps. Cheers, Max Bryant > I actually have three of the large bottles of Pactra Mandarin Red, Flat > Roof Brown and Chrome Silver and they're still good. > > > Is the Hawk P-51 the same kit that's in the Testors box now? > > BTW as for pactra paints...a local antique store has two packages of the hot > > rod assortment...most of the bottles appear to still be liquid mmmmmmmm Yes the Testors kit is the Hawk model. BTW I have some Pactra paints as well as Testors PLA from when I was a kid, that are a good 25 years old! They are still useable! Cheers, Max Bryant > Is the Hawk P-51 the same kit that's in the Testors box now? > BTW as for pactra paints...a local antique store has two packages of the hot > rod assortment...most of the bottles appear to still be liquid mmmmmmmm Good Lord, Bill, haven't recalled HISAIRDEC for years! I remember the excitement of getting a book with what were then great references and a decal sheet six times a years! I still have two jars of Pactra Artillery Olive which are supposedly the closest match to WWII British Army Green and use them for that. Still work, and only found the last one about a year ago on the shelves of a train shop in Berlin, Maryland. Cookie Sewell > ok which one would you prefer to be stuck on a desert island with a case of? > You only get to bring one dull x acto knife,a tube of testors glue and an > assortment of the old small square bottles of paint in generic colors...and who > can still turn out a contest winner? A contest winner? If you're talking about a present-day contest, I think that you're asking a bit too much of *any* modeler with the criteria you've stated. A Lindberg kit built within the above criteria *might* have had a chance (however slim) in a mid-'60s-to-early-'70s era contest. Personally, if stranded under the circumstances described, I wouldn't mind being stranded with a crate that contained several each of all of Lindberg's aircraft kits (current *and* OOP!) and (since the *brand* of "old small square bottles of paint in generic colors" isn't explicitly specified) a nice (if "generic") selection of Pactra International Colors paints. They might not turn out contest quality, but it would give me something to do while awaiting rescue... SignatureEdwin (Remove "DIESPAMDIE!") "Me? I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can trust to be dishonest... Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly stupid." - Captain Jack Sparrow (Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl) Why not Airfix, Frog, Matchbox & Revell? Or Renwal, Merit, ITC, Life Like, Air Lines, Imai and AHM? Steve > Why not Airfix, Frog, Matchbox & Revell? |
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