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Model Forum / General / Models / June 2004Ronald Reagan-the greatest President of the 20th Century!
For the first time in the history of the world, one superpower defeated its rival without going to war! The Communist ideology was swept into the dustbin of history after being completely discredited as a method of governing. All of the countries of Eastern Europe were freed as Russian troops were pulled out, rather hastily in some cases. Communist Russian activities supporting so-called wars of liberation ceased and the world became a much freer and better place due to Ronald Reagan. Also, please remember what the income tax rates (top rate of 70%) and the interest rates (22%) were when he came into office. If we had these interest rates today, millions of people wouldn't be able to own their own homes and tens of thousands of businesses wouldn't exsist. Regarding Star Wars, there was never a doubt in the Russians minds that we could do it. ABM sites in Alaska and Japan will be operational at the end of this year-then watch the pressure on NK rachet up fast! Oh yes, any of you who have had any of the laser eye surgery can thank Ronny for that (Star Wars). Great guy and the greatest President of the 20th Century! > Great guy and the greatest President of the 20th Century! I'll bet you would have second thoughts if Smarty Jones had been elected president, or if Ronald Reagan had been born a horse. KL >I'll bet you would have second thoughts if Smarty Jones had been elected >president, or if Ronald Reagan had been born a horse. Well, he was a horse's a.s.....Kim M >...he was a horse's a.s... Tell it to eastern Europe.  SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." Al, Why do you bother with the raving left PETAoid? > >...he was a horse's a.s... > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, > and the critics will flame you every time." >Why do you bother with the raving left PETAoid? Believe it or not, Kim is a real-life friend. There's more to friendship than mere politics. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > Believe it or not, Kim is a real-life friend. There's more to >friendship than mere politics. Wow! I consider both of you long time friends. Small internet. :-) Tom >Small internet. :-) Small world, Tom. ;) There's a difference between disagreeing and being disagreeable. I can work with the former, but not the latter. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > >Why do you bother with the raving left PETAoid? > > Believe it or not, Kim is a real-life friend. There's more to > friendship than mere politics. Ironically, the ability to separate politics from relationships and the ability to retain a tone of cordiality and civility were traits lauded by friend and foe alike yesterday in speaking of their remembrances of Ronald Reagan. WmB To reply, get the HECK out of there HELLinhock@earthlink.net > Believe it or not, Kim is a real-life friend. There's more to >friendship than mere politics. I bought him a drink at the 2001 nats and he followed me home.... And I am not a PEToid. I am an Illinois resident, and I was simply adding to a thread about horsemeat. Kim M >> Believe it or not, Kim is a real-life friend. There's more to >>friendship than mere politics. > >I bought him a drink at the 2001 nats and he followed me home.... I don't drink - I have enough other vices that I don't need that one.... SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > Al, > > Why do you bother with the raving left PETAoid? That's political tactics Ron. It is much used practice in politics to have a "opposition" tied to your leash, to disagree with when the issues aren't serious. But as soon as the situation gets critical this "opposition" will take your side to make real opposition look unreasonable and disagreeable. A kind of "blacksploitation" if you like. >It is much used practice in politic <snip>>ituation gets critical this "opposition" will take your side to make real >opposition look unreasonable and disagreeable. A kind of "blacksploitation" >if you like. You lost me here. Are you saying I'm Al's personal straw man? Kim M > >It is much used practice in politic > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You lost me here. Are you saying I'm Al's personal straw man? Kim M It is a possibility. Another possibility is a borne down upon the lee shore half-left winger who is taken care of and eventually will be 'saved' by the bible and a few pseudo-wise one-liners from a fatherly figure. Just like in the old moralizing B-movies. > >I'll bet you would have second thoughts if Smarty Jones had been elected > >president, or if Ronald Reagan had been born a horse. > > Well, he was a horse's a.s.....Kim M Let me guess, early 80s air traffic controller? WmB To reply, get the HECK out of there HELLinhock@earthlink.net >Let me guess, early 80s air traffic controller? > >WmB 28 year federal employee. Kim M >From: royabulgaf@aol.com (Royabulgaf) > >28 year federal employee. Kim M Rookie. ;~) My home page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm " In walks the village idiot and his face is all aglow; he's been up all night listening to Mohammad's radio" W. Zevon <<28 year federal employee.>> Ever have a real job or were you on the dole your whole working life? Cheers, Ken >From: klawr63125@aol.com (KLawr63125) > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Ken Sorry; I suppose you were just taking a swipe at Kim, but that comment was uncalled for, unfair, and ill-informed. I've been in Federal or State service almost constantly since 1966 (law enforcement and military). Most government employees, probably even Kim, work hard for their paycheck each month. If there's a "dole" out there in government service, I haven't found it yet. Perhaps you might bring that "dole" theory up to all the brave men and women (both in the military and civilian government service) who are serving in Iraq and Afghanistan or to the families of those killed in one of those "dole" jobs. My home page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm " In walks the village idiot and his face is all aglow; he's been up all night listening to Mohammad's radio" W. Zevon Didn't mean for you Bill, just the other guy. I consider the military to be in the service of the Nation, not the government. Cheers, Ken >Sorry; I suppose you were just taking a swipe at Kim, but that comment was >uncalled for, unfair, and ill-informed. Since we're getting all warm and fuzzy here, I might as well put in my $.02. I have publicly doubted on RMS Mr Woodier's exploits. I had assumed he was some braggart wannabee. I was informed by another RMSer that I was wrong. I apologize for my remarks. Kim M Back to political sniping.... >From: royabulgaf@aol.com (Royabulgaf) >>I'll bet you would have second thoughts if Smarty Jones had been elected >>president, or if Ronald Reagan had been born a horse. > >Well, he was a horse's a.s.....Kim M And you, sir, are the horse's sh.t; a most unpleasant man. When you finally figure out how to unlock and retract your head from your a.s, perhaps I will consider (perhaps) taking what you post with a a grain of seriousness. Until then, my opinion of you stands; you are one each, bonified, certified, walkin', talkin', rectum. Enjoy the rest of D-Day. My home page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm " In walks the village idiot and his face is all aglow; he's been up all night listening to Mohammad's radio" W. Zevon Gee, sounds like the shoe that fits you, not Pres. Reagan! > >I'll bet you would have second thoughts if Smarty Jones had been elected > >president, or if Ronald Reagan had been born a horse. > > Well, he was a horse's a.s.....Kim M Horseshoe? You are the second horse's a.s and I don't have any second thoughts about that either. Up Yours, Ken > >I'll bet you would have second thoughts if Smarty Jones had been elected > >president, or if Ronald Reagan had been born a horse. > > Well, he was a horse's a.s.....Kim M Aahh, the lefties all hate Ronny with a passion. He's the guy who broke the Soviet Union and they will never forgive or forget! Bill Shuey > > >I'll bet you would have second thoughts if Smarty Jones had been elected > > >president, or if Ronald Reagan had been born a horse. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Bill Shuey No, I'll give him credit for that one. He got that right. Not much else. Mark chynert You are a horse's a.s. And I don't have any second thoughts about that. Up yours, Ken >...the greatest President of the 20th Century! He may well have been the greatest President since Lincoln. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." >>...the greatest President of the 20th Century! > > He may well have been the greatest President since Lincoln. But remember....Teddy Roosevelt was up there also! Signature-- Greg Heilers Registered Linux user #328317 - SlackWare 9.1 >But remember....Teddy Roosevelt was up there also! I think of Teddy Roosevelt every time I visit a National Park. I just hope that the National Park System continues the way it was designed instead of giving it to Big Business. One of our local State Parks now has gas wells drilled in it. Noise (from drilling), smell and the access roads are an eyesore. The local lumber industry was drooling over a stand of 70-year-old Cherry trees that was discovered there as well. A few of us knew about those trees (I used to harvest the cherries every year with my folks when I was a kid), but we kept it quiet until they became threatened. Fortunately a public referendum stopped the lumber industry in their tracks. -- John The history of things that didn't happen has never been written. . - - - Henry Kissinger Ken While I can agree with some of what you say I have to yell "Hold It" on this one: >For the first time in the history of the world, one superpower defeated its >rival without going to war! Not to war with the USSR directly in a declared war, but I think that Korea, Viet Nam and scores of other military actions using both American troops and surrogate nations were pretty deadly. That would be like saying that Germany and the USSR never fought each other until Barbarossa. Spain was the testing ground for both sides. How many American aircraft were shot down in Korea by Korean pilots? Those hot jocks were Russians, now freely admited by both sides. Tom >From: maiesm72@aol.com (Maiesm72) > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >Tom That may all be true, Tom, but neither the Korean War nor the Vietnam War happened on Reagan's watch. When he became President, he turned the gebberish of the Carter Administration around and took the Cold War right to the enemy and defeated them without firing a shot (and, no, I'm sorry, you can not, in any way, equate the Beirut bombing to Soviet involvment). My home page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm " In walks the village idiot and his face is all aglow; he's been up all night listening to Mohammad's radio" W. Zevon >That may all be true, Tom, but neither the Korean War nor the Vietnam War >happened on Reagan's watch. Yes. It's like those guys who got drafted in 1945, got through basic training just in time for VJ Day and got to kiss the girls in the streets at home while the men who'd done the real fighting were still out in the Pacific or lying in a hospital. Wasn't their watch, I guess. The Cold War was won by men in Korea, Viet Nam, Malaya and elsewhere, a real and dirty war that started in 1946 and ended in 1991. Reagan showed up in time for the photo ops. Since the Taliban and Bin Laden were armed on his watch, I guess we can only be so grateful. > >That may all be true, Tom, but neither the Korean War nor the Vietnam War > >happened on Reagan's watch. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Since the Taliban and Bin Laden were armed on his watch, I guess we can only be > so grateful. I think the credit given to Reagan in regards to the Cold War is that he put down the carrot (Detente) and picked up the whip. That change up is credited with accelerating the defeat of communism from its position as the world's number one menace. In your zeal to dismiss Reagan's contributions to the West's Cold War victory, you left out the most critical theater in the Cold War: Afghanistan. The Soviet Vietnam. Reagan's aid and support for the Mujahadeen was critical in the Soviet defeat and that defeat was a leading factor in the Soviet demise. You can extrapolate Bin Laden and the Taliban from the Afghan War if you choose. The facts are those criminals are not representative of the Afghan people, as the results of the US-Taliban war and present conditions in Afghanistan today clearly suggest. As for Bin Laden and the Al Qaeda, their formation was inevitable. The dire warnings of rising fundamentalist Islamic violence predates Reagan by decades. If Bin Laden hadn't fermented in the manner in which he did, he would have come to the world by another route. As for Reagan, he is spin-proof. He is respected today because he was respected while he served the presidency. And he was respected then because anyone that had lived thru Watergate and Jimmy Carter knew the high caliber of leadership and inspiration that Ronald Reagan restored to the US. Much to the chagrin of the enemies of the US abroad and the blame America first brigade at home. WmB To reply, get the HECK out of there HELLinhock@earthlink.net > anyone that had lived thru Watergate and Jimmy Carter knew the high caliber > of leadership and inspiration that Ronald Reagan restored to the US. To kind of bring this back on-topic, I saw a news item about the christening of a Seawolf-Class sub named after Jimmy Carter. Both he and Rosalyn were present, she being the one breaking the bottle on its bow. The article said he was one of 9 people to have a ship named after himself while still living. Not too shabby! I was not a big Carter fan back in the day, but he seems like he has always been a decent, well-intentioned fellow. Mike (ODO) > I was not a big Carter fan back in the day, but he seems like he has always > been a decent, well-intentioned fellow. So was Neville Chamberlain. SignatureScott Lowther, Engineer Remove the obvious (capitalized) anti-spam gibberish from the reply-to e-mail address > > I was not a big Carter fan back in the day, but he seems like he has always > > been a decent, well-intentioned fellow. > > So was Neville Chamberlain. Yeah. Whatever. I was trying to be charitable. It's so easy to scoff in hindsight. Mike (ODO) PROUD Kit Assembler Rock 'n' Roll cello player On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 02:54:36 GMT, "Mike \(ODO\)" <mikodo@mindspring.com> wrote: >It's so easy to scoff in hindsight. I scoffed at Carter before his election and during his entire presidency. I still do. He's what Stalin used to refer to as a 'useful idiot'. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." >From: Al Superczynski modeleral@deadspam.com > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >presidency. I still do. He's what Stalin used to refer to as a >'useful idiot'. I was absolutely stunned when Carter uttered the phrase that I will always remember him for: "I can't believe they [the Soviets] lied to me." Hello. Earth to Jimmie; that's what they did for a living (and still do). The fact he was genuinely surprised at that pretty-much sums up his presidency, I think. I'm sure he builds great houses with the "Habitat for Humanity" charity (a noble cause). Perhaps he should have stuck with that and not run for President. My home page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm " In walks the village idiot and his face is all aglow; he's been up all night listening to Mohammad's radio" W. Zevon >> I was not a big Carter fan back in the day, but he seems like he has always >> been a decent, well-intentioned fellow. > >So was Neville Chamberlain. but carter has actually stopped fights. funny that he has better success out of office. > >> I was not a big Carter fan back in the day, but he seems like he has always > >> been a decent, well-intentioned fellow. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > but carter has actually stopped fights. > funny that he has better success out of office. A couple of years back one of our missing correspondents and I had a discussion about Carter. My point was that Carter was too decent and moral to make a good president. You have to have a certain amount of guile. The fact that Carter leads by his own example and gets more done without the power of the office suggests the guile was personally beyond him. Nope, never voted for him. Bill Banaszak, MFE >The fact that Carter leads by his own example and gets more done >without the power of the office suggests the guile was personally beyond >him. You mean for instance the deal he cut with the North Koreans over their nuclear program? Like the other poster said, Neville Chamberlain..... SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." >> >> I was not a big Carter fan back in the day, but he seems like he has > always [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE it's true, he didn't have enough bastard or a.shole to deal with the bastards and a.sholes that run things. >From: tooftoof@verizon.net (e) >it's true, he didn't have enough bastard or a.shole to deal >with the bastards and a.sholes that run things. .......or backbone either in most cases. My home page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm " In walks the village idiot and his face is all aglow; he's been up all night listening to Mohammad's radio" W. Zevon >>> I was not a big Carter fan back in the day, but he seems like he has always >>> been a decent, well-intentioned fellow. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >but carter has actually stopped fights. >funny that he has better success out of office. Like what, helping out N Korea by giving us another nuke problem to worry about? Thanks for all your help, Mr. Peanut Carter >> I was not a big Carter fan back in the day, but he seems like he has always >> been a decent, well-intentioned fellow. > >So was Neville Chamberlain. There's a great book now out that shows how Carter was a fool and how he screwed over this country. Otherwise than that, it looks to be a pretty good read. Check it out in the sorta new book section at B&N. >There's a great book now out that shows how Carter was a fool >and how he screwed over this country. Didn't he give away the Panama Canal? Rob Gronovius Modern US armor at http://www.armorama.com/motorpool >>There's a great book now out that shows how Carter was a fool >>and how he screwed over this country. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Rob Gronovius >Modern US armor at http://www.armorama.com/motorpool Why yes he did. He loves helping out the Chinese since they are the ones putting ports at both ends from what I understand. Nothing like being able to tie up a major access during a possible conflict. >He loves helping out the Chinese since they are the ones putting >ports at both ends from what I understand. >Nothing like being able to tie up a major access during a >possible conflict. Carter may love the Red Chinese but there doesn't appear to be any real threat to the canal: http://tinyurl.com/36hyw . SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." >>He loves helping out the Chinese since they are the ones putting >>ports at both ends from what I understand. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Carter may love the Red Chinese but there doesn't appear to be > any real threat to the canal: http://tinyurl.com/36hyw . Hey Al! What's with the facts??? We don't want or need facts when conspiracy theories and mindless fear-mongering are so much more exciting! ;-) SignatureEdwin (Remove "DIESPAMDIE!") "Me? I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can trust to be dishonest... Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for, because you can never predict when they're going to do something incredibly stupid." - Captain Jack Sparrow (Disney's Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl) > >There's a great book now out that shows how Carter was a fool > >and how he screwed over this country. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Rob Gronovius > Modern US armor at http://www.armorama.com/motorpool The intent to divest the Canal Zone preceded Carter and was in process for a while. The estimation was that the canal would be obsolete and require substantial renovation within a short period after divestment, and there may have been issues with an expiring lease as well, though this is far enough in the past that I no longer recall. It's interesting, because I recently read that the canal is going to need billions of dollars of maintenance and upgrade if it is to provide a positive balance of payments to Panama. One more thing we don't have to pay for. Mark Schynert >I recently read that the canal is going to need >billions of dollars of maintenance and upgrade if it is to provide a >positive balance of payments to Panama. One more thing we don't have to >pay for. Unless the Panamanians ask for US financial aid, of course..... SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > >I recently read that the canal is going to need > >billions of dollars of maintenance and upgrade if it is to provide a > >positive balance of payments to Panama. One more thing we don't have to > >pay for. > > Unless the Panamanians ask for US financial aid, of course..... And if we don't help somebody else will. I wonder if the Monroe Doctrine would survive that. Bill Banaszak, MFE >> >I recently read that the canal is going to need >> >billions of dollars of maintenance and upgrade if it is to provide a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Bill Banaszak, MFE that ended at the left coast... > > >I recently read that the canal is going to need > > >billions of dollars of maintenance and upgrade if it is to provide a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > And if we don't help somebody else will. I wonder if the Monroe > Doctrine would survive that. Bill: About the only ones who could afford to would be either the Saudi's or the Sultan of Brunei! Bill Shuey > > > >I recently read that the canal is going to need > > > >billions of dollars of maintenance and upgrade if it is to provide a [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > About the only ones who could afford to would be either the Saudi's or > the Sultan of Brunei! Or China. They've got lots of money, and are willing to throw it around. SignatureScott Lowther, Engineer Remove the obvious (capitalized) anti-spam gibberish from the reply-to e-mail address > > > > >I recently read that the canal is going to need > > > > >billions of dollars of maintenance and upgrade if it is to provide a [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Or China. They've got lots of money, and are willing to throw it around. This reminds me of the suggestion of my Political Science graduate advisor, a crusty old Scot who had transposed himself to Southern California, in reference to the Japanese gtetting such a huge balance of payments advantage over us back inthe seventies. [Think of a delivery with a matter-of-fact tone and a modearte Scottish burr] "This is really not a problem--encourage the bastards to buy property in the United States, and then nationalise it." I'm all for the Chinese spending their money (which is more than a little funny right now, given their governmental interference with normal market forces) to create a real property asset which they can neither move nor defend. They're just not that dumb. Mark Schynert >From: Al Superczynski modeleral@deadspam.com > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Unless the Panamanians ask for US financial aid, of course..... Good point, Al. So, if we're going to have to pay for it anyway, why didn't we just hold onto it in the first place? ;~} My home page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm " In walks the village idiot and his face is all aglow; he's been up all night listening to Mohammad's radio" W. Zevon >Good point, Al. So, if we're going to have to pay for it anyway, why didn't >we >just hold onto it in the first place? ;~} Always felt the best way to handle it would be return the CZ to Panama on condition of statehood. Kim M Ridin't that Purple Wage >>Good point, Al. So, if we're going to have to pay for it anyway, why didn't >>we [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Ridin't that Purple Wage make panama pay us by tons of u.s. shipping through. .10 cents a ton would be fair. Earth to Tom, please return. Oh and file a flight plan please. You are out beyond our best radar and telescopes. Cheers, Ken Splitting hairs Tom. Pretty clear I meant an all-out war. cheers, Ken Gag, choke, puke, wretch, blow chunks..... <snipped> >... and the world became a much freer and > better place due to Ronald Reagan. > > Great guy and the greatest President of the 20th Century! <<Gag, choke, puke, wretch, blow chunks.....>> Get it right bozo boy. You are a wretch. When you puke, you are retching. Happy Days, Clinton died! Ken > Great guy and the greatest President of the 20th Century! Much better than what's in office now;-( F Marion Is there room on Mt Rushmore for one more? If so, I would nominate Ronald Reagan as # 5. > For the first time in the history of the world, one superpower defeated its > rival without going to war! The Communist ideology was swept into the dustbin [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Great guy and the greatest President of the 20th Century! I usually don't respond to letters like these but I think more credit is being given to Reagan than he deserves. He happened to be in office when communist Russia imploded. We beat them because they went broke trying to stay up with us. It took many administrations to accomplish this and the end came when Reagan was in office. We all had a hand in the demise of the USSR. I know that interest rates were high before he took office but I don't recall anyone paying 22% for a house, at least not in this area. I do know that with the low interest rates of today, some retired people are having trouble making enough off their retirement funds to pay their bills. But if you want to buy a house and have a job, it's a good time to buy. Just be sure you have a job that pays more than the minimum wage. And laser eye surgery? I doubt the connection is more than casual with Star Wars progams. MB >He happened to be in office when communist Russia imploded. We beat them because they went broke trying to stay up with us. It took many administrations to accomplish this and the end came when Reagan was in office. We all had a hand in the demise of the USSR.< Funny, I always though George H.W. Bush was in office when this happened. Although I agree it was Ronald Reagan's policies that put them under and Bush just happened to be in office when this happened. Rob Gronovius Modern US armor at http://www.armorama.com/motorpool >...I think more credit is being given to Reagan than he deserves. He happened to be in office when >communist Russia imploded. No, that was George H.W. Bush. >We beat them because they went broke trying to stay up with us. It was Reagan's defense buildup that broke them, most specifically SDI. >It took many administrations to accomplish this... Prior administrations' policies consisted of containment and détente. Reagan openly confronted and opposed the USSR. *Big* difference. SignatureAl Superczynski, MFE, IPMS/USA #3795, continuous since 1968 My "From" address is munged - click "Reply To" to respond via email. Check out my want lists and eBay listings at "Al's Place": http://www.network54.com/realm/modeleral/ "Build what YOU like, the way YOU want to, and the critics will flame you every time." > >We beat them because they went broke trying to stay up with us. > > It was Reagan's defense buildup that broke them, most > specifically SDI. ""Reagan bolstered the U.S. military might to ruin the Soviet economy, and he achieved his goal," said Gennady Gerasimov, who was the top spokesman for the Soviet Foreign Ministry during the 1980s." KL JFK was best president of the 20th century and he was a democrat too!! >JFK was best president of the 20th century and he was a democrat too!! lol you libs just crack me up lol >From: LARRY929@webtv.net > >JFK was best president of the 20th century and he was a democrat too!! List facts and specific accomplishments that made him the greatest President, please. Sorry, screwing Marilyn Monroe and just about any other skirt that his brother, Peter Lawford, and the rest of the rat pack could pimp for him does not count. My home page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm " In walks the village idiot and his face is all aglow; he's been up all night listening to Mohammad's radio" W. Zevon >>From: LARRY929@webtv.net >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > he's been up all night listening to Mohammad's radio" > W. Zevon Getting a 42 knot PT boat athwart the bows of a 30 knot destroyer and leaving the people he encouraged to die on the beach at the Bay of Pigs causes me to seriously question his military judgement. On the other hand at least he served. Signature"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force you are ruined ... The great object is that every man be armed ... everyone who is able may have a gun." Patrick Henry at the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution. >grey_ghost471-newsgroups@yahoo.com (Gray Ghost) >>>From: LARRY929@webtv.net >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >On the other hand at least he served. Well, the PT boat thing was a screw-up, to be sure. In fact, I read somewhere that he violated Navy regs by sitting out there with the engines in neutral "in a combat area" (The rule was to avoid inability/delay in getting quickly underway, exactly as happened with Kennedy) and he would have faced disciplinary action had his father not vehemently interceeded but all that was prior to his Presidency. The Bay of Pigs fiasco, however, was squarely on his watch and it was his conscious decision to abandon those men on the beaches. My home page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm " In walks the village idiot and his face is all aglow; he's been up all night listening to Mohammad's radio" W. Zevon He didn't do anything none of the rest didn't do!! >From: LARRY929@webtv.net >He didn't do anything none of the rest didn't do!! Perhaps you lived the decade of the 1980s in a cardboard box alongside the roadway or in a cave somewhere. I suggest you go back and do a little studying of the 1980s and the Reagan Presidency. Once you've done that, the folly of your statement will be clearly evident and you will need no further enlightenment. My home page: http://www.bill-woodier.com/home.htm " In walks the village idiot and his face is all aglow; he's been up all night listening to Mohammad's radio" W. Zevon No politician is worth anything, all are simply too corrupted or too self/power/control obsessed to be good to anyone. Ours are like yours, arses in the air and snouts in the trough, filled by poor bloody saps like me and you. It is my extreme mis-fortune to have to work with a few dozen of our 'elected' (and dont get me started on that) officials of both political sides of the fence and I tell you (in the vernacular) I wouldn.t piss on them if they were on fire. The phrase 'Best President' or 'Best Prime Minister' or 'Best Queen / King / Grand Poo Bah' is as meaningless as 'Kindest Murderer' or 'Honest Embezzler'. I hate these OT crap conversations - more plastic talk please > JFK was best president of the 20th century and he was a democrat too!! > >We beat them because they went broke trying to stay up with us. > > It was Reagan's defense buildup that broke them, most > specifically SDI. I think willingness to spend on things like the B-1, B-2, the... I forget the number, 600 ship? navy, etc. helped quite a bit, too... :) |
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