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Decals lifting and bubbling

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EDKADK - 24 Aug 2004 13:27 GMT
I had decals came lose and bubbled on my last couple of models. After decaling,
I let the models dried for 24 hours. I then washed them with warm water using
some dish washing detergent. Luckily those that came off were the small
stencils and not that obvious. I managed to save some important ones and placed
them back using future. Did I do any wrong. Would appreciate any suggestions.

Thanks.
Disco  --  FlyNavy - 25 Aug 2004 16:06 GMT
>I had decals came lose and bubbled on my last couple of models. After
decaling, I let the models dried for 24 hours. I then washed them with warm
water using some dish washing detergent.>>

Why?  That's what did it.  The decal adhesive is water-soluble.  Even though
they appeared to be dry, they weren't "set".  After they've dried a day or two,
they need to be sealed under a clear coat of some kind.

When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to
return.   --Leonardo Da Vinci
Peter W. - 26 Aug 2004 03:48 GMT
> >I had decals came lose and bubbled on my last couple of models. After
> decaling, I let the models dried for 24 hours. I then washed them with warm
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> they appeared to be dry, they weren't "set".  After they've dried a day or two,
> they need to be sealed under a clear coat of some kind.

Hmm... Curious...

I have been decaling for years and I *ALWAYS* wash the model after the decals
were applied and thoroughly dried.  I gently wash the model with a very soft
sable brush and a bit of detergent.  I do it to wash off any water stains or
glue residue before sealing decals.

After the wash and thorough dry process again, I seal them with a clear
lacquer. Never had any bubling issues.
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To the original poster:
What brand of decal is it?
WHat type of paint were the decals applied over?
Was that paint thoroughly dry?
Was any type of setting solution used?
Did they bubble right after washing, or much later ?
Did you ever apply any sealant (clear) coat?

The info you provided so far is not enough to make an educated guess.

Peteski
Disco  --  FlyNavy - 26 Aug 2004 14:48 GMT
Peteski wrote-->I have been decaling for years and I *ALWAYS* wash the model
after the decals were applied and thoroughly dried.  I gently wash the model
with a very soft sable brush and a bit of detergent.  I do it to wash off any
water stains or glue residue before sealing decals.  After the wash and
thorough dry process again, I seal them with a clear lacquer. Never had any
bubbling issues.>>

Ok...not going to say I stand corrected, but....  I had the same problem as the
original poster, and was told I made the same mistake, so I quit washing after
decaling, and the problem went away.  I will make the concession that maybe
there was another variable in the process that neither of us have mentioned, or
remember; not sure what it may be, decal manufacturer, setting solutions,
pre-decal cleaning, dry time, who knows.

When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your
eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there you will always long to
return.   --Leonardo Da Vinci
Keeper - 26 Aug 2004 15:55 GMT
>so I quit washing after
>decaling, and the problem went away.

Yeah, I find a q-tip is sufficient for clean up. Of course, if you use decal
solvent and they've dried for a couple of days they're not coming off easy.
Tape maybe.

And as we all know, decals don't adhere well to unpainted or flat paint
surfaces.
hth

The Keeper (of too much crap!)
Rob de Bie - 30 Aug 2004 19:43 GMT
>I had decals came lose and bubbled on my last couple of models. After decaling,
>I let the models dried for 24 hours. I then washed them with warm water using
>some dish washing detergent. Luckily those that came off were the small
>stencils and not that obvious. I managed to save some important ones and placed
>them back using future. Did I do any wrong. Would appreciate any suggestions.

You found the answer yourself: use Future as the decal adhesive. Put a
drop of Future on the model and slide the decal in it. If the decal still
silvers, rub off the decal glue, and use Future as the replacement glue.
Look at my website (more specifically the YF-23, Stuka and Super Etendard
pages) to see how well it works.

Rob de Bie

My models:    www.sml.lr.tudelft.nl/~home/rob/models.htm
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