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Model Forum / General / Models / March 2005SR-71 Blackbird
I'm not ready to start building my SR-71 Blackbird as yet, but I've got a question. On it's decal sheet are some rather long red lines that go on the top of the fuesologue(sp). How does one go about laying those down WITHOUT screwing 'em up? Or would it just be easier to take a very fine sharp paintbrush and paint 'em on by hand? Then cut off the "no step" portions and apply them after the paint is dry.  SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >I'm not ready to start building my SR-71 Blackbird as yet, but I've got a >question. On it's decal sheet are some rather long red lines that go on >the top of the fuesologue(sp). How does one go about laying those down >WITHOUT screwing 'em up? Or would it just be easier to take a very fine >sharp paintbrush and paint 'em on by hand? Then cut off the "no step" >portions and apply them after the paint is dry. Cut them into managable sections and lay them down individually. SignatureJeff C RLHD Something I got to thinking about doing while I was (of all things) taking a shower this morning. Taking the decal sheet and Xeroxing it. Then cutting out all of the red "pin striping" and using rubber cement or some other form of "masking" agent and "painting" over them, then pulling them up leaving the rubber cement mask behind and air brushing them on in red paint. Then again using a SHARP blade cutting the "no step" portions off and applying them after the paint has dried. Also I was wondering who besides (www.eduard.com) makes aftermarket parts for the SR-71 Blackbird. Such as the cockpit/seats/pilot/Systems Operator, exhaust nozzle/tertiary door ring/engine hub. Does anyone know if the two tail numbers were actual working aircraft, or are they just a couple of numbers that Monogram made up??? Using Googles image search I've found a couple of SR-71s with the NASA markings on them. An 849 IF I'm not mistaken and an 831. The NASA planes DON'T have all the USAF markings, just a white band on the tail that says NASA, and an ID number. Sadly there aren't enough numbers to make up different numbers on the sheet that came with the kit, so a sheet of (at least) numbers in the right scale (1/72) and font would be needed to do different tail numbers. Does anyone know IF anyone makes an aftermarket decal sheet that would have the NASA tail band on it? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' AFAIK, those are actual numbers. The rub is, did they stay on any one aircraft? I've read that numbers on aircraft at Beale were changed to confuse observers as to numbers of aircraft assigned to the base plus making it harder to tell when one was off 'at work'. Are you needing 'NASA' bands? I may have some leftovers here but they'd be from a Microscale sheet. Bill Banaszak, MFE > AFAIK, those are actual numbers. The rub is, did they stay on any one > aircraft? I've read that numbers on aircraft at Beale were changed to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Bill, Ya know the "scary" thing is that it makes perfect sense. Did NASA do the same thing? What scale and which version? I've d/led a picture of a NASA SR-71 #844 from 1993 that has the "open" fluid letters, and I have also d/led a 1997 picture with the "closed" boxy letters. The '93 band has what I think are two red bands one above and one below the lettering, and the '97 one doesn't. . . Even the numbers are of two different fonts. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message > Bill, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > lettering, and the '97 one doesn't. . . Even the numbers are of two > different fonts. Fine Scale Modeler had an article on the NASA fonts and insignia a few years ago - someone local to you should have a copy you can borrow. Have a look at the FSM website to pinpoint the exact issue, then ask around. If you get really stuck, let me know off-group and I'll have a dig through my mag stash. In my book 'Lockheed Blackbirds' by Thornborough and Davies, there's a good colour pic of 06937 dated 1979 (a/c in storage) with the yellow NASA band on the tail. the serial above it and US Air Force lettering and stars and bars on the fuse. As for the changing of serials on Habus, I don't know. U-2 serials were definately swapped around to confuse 'the enemy', so it's possible that -71s were too. RobG >"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message >> Bill, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> lettering, and the '97 one doesn't. . . Even the numbers are of two >> different fonts. NASA had several SR-71s loaned to it over the years, plus the last two YF-12s until they were retired. They were also repainted many times because the markings burn off after several hours of Mach 3+ flight. >As for the changing of serials on Habus, I don't know. U-2 serials were >definately swapped around to confuse 'the enemy', so it's possible that -71s >were too. They often had different numbers painted on either side of the aircraft. Most markings only lasted for half a flight : ) SignatureJeff C RLHD > >"Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message > >> Bill, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > They often had different numbers painted on either side of the > aircraft. Most markings only lasted for half a flight : ) Jeff, Yep, found that out. The more research I've done into how the SR-71 ACTUALLY looked the more I find out about it and ISN'T that what the hobby is all about learning something about what inspired the kits that we build??? And the more I find wrong with the plastic. Such as they have the airborne refueling port round, when in ALL of the pictures I've seen it's square or rectangle in shape. . . I guess I can drill it out, square it up, and build a little box under it with a slanted "floor." SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > =exeN > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- After looking closer at some of the pictures that I have d/led. I've found I was in error about what I thought was the inflight refueling port. But I think that it might either be in the wrong place or at the wrong angle. . . SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message > > Bill, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > RobG Rob, Thanks for the suggestion. Thanks to Aprils issue I have already found a local modeler who has EVERY FSM. He's already making me a copy of the article on the Futura. AND get this, his family and my family already knew each other. . . Turns out his Uncle was at one time Mayor of Poughkeepsie. . . I'll do the search on FSM first so that I can narrow down his search. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in message > > Bill, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > RobG Rob, Below you'll find the results I got when I did a search just on NASA: Search results for nasa 1 - 5 of 5 North American F-107A Ultra Sabre by Paul Boyer FineScale Modeler May 2003 NASA Super Guppy by Les Dorr Frederick, Maryland FineScale Modeler December 2002 NASA's Enterprise FineScale Modeler January 2002 International Color And Camouflage by Les Dorr Jr. FineScale Modeler April 1996 XB-70A Valkyrie by Randal Dieck FineScale Modeler March 1996 And in trying to do a search on "NASA font" I get no "hits." If the article you're talking about is in one of the "hits" above, by what they give I can't tell it. I did a search on SR-71, and I get four "hits:" Search results for sr-71 1 - 4 of 4 SR-71: Cold War marvel FineScale Modeler October 2004 Oregon Historical Modelers Society show Kitbash an early Blackbird by Paul Boyer FineScale Modeler December 2003 XB-70A Valkyrie by Randal Dieck FineScale Modeler March 1996 I have to admit that I was a little surprised that I had one mag with an article on the SR-71, that's the Oct. '04 issue. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in a message; <a whole pile of snipped stuff> (c: DC, I went and had a trawl through my FSMs in the storage shed.... the one you want is the April 96 issue, with the Yugoslav AntiAircraft tank on the cover (those crazzee Yugos...!). The article is 'International Color And Camouflage' by Les Dorr Jr. Worth it for the history lesson alone... and some pics of NASA birds you may not have seen. I think I saw a decal listing there as well (bonus!!). HTH RobG > "Digital_Cowboy" <nobody@nobody.com> wrote in a message; > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > RobG Rob, Thank you, I'll pass that on to the person I've met recently who has all of them. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' und DC kommt zuruck mit: > Bill, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > lettering, and the '97 one doesn't. . . Even the numbers are of two > different fonts. I'm afraid I don't know a lot about NASA's birds. Having read down the thread prior to answering this I think it's likely the lettering had to be replaced many times. It's normal for aircraft lettering to deviate from established practice or conform to an official revision. On the subject of kits I think the Monogram is possibly the best SR-71 out there and I've built two of the old Revell's and the Italeri YF-12. I would never recommend the Revell kits except to collectors. Bill Banaszak, MFE > und DC kommt zuruck mit: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Bill, That sounds reasonable, and from what I've read about the height that they fly and the temps generated I can see how they'd "burn" off rather quick. . . And of course as time goes on styles of fonts change as well. . . Cool so you're saying that I bought the "right" kit, huh? I was actually thinking of trying to find at least one kit from each manufactorer. So that I'd have at least one of each. One thing I've been thinking of is cutting open the refueling port and hanging a tanker above the Blackbird refueling it. Was there one particular tanker that serviced the Blackbird, or what??? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >Was there one particular tanker that serviced the Blackbird, or what? KC-135Q or KC-135T only: <http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/kc-135t.htm> > >Was there one particular tanker that serviced the Blackbird, or what? > > KC-135Q or KC-135T only: > <http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/kc-135t.htm> Al, Thanks for the info. Does anyone make a kit of it that would be the correct scale/size for the 1/72 SR-71? Does it come with the nozzle depolyed? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >Does anyone make a kit of it that would be the correct scale/size for the 1/72 SR-71? AFAIK the KC-135Q was externally identical to the KC-135A and the KC-135T is externally identical to the KC-135R. AMT made both in 1/72 scale. >Does it come with the nozzle depolyed? IIRC the refueling boom is retractable on the AMT kits. > >Does anyone make a kit of it that would be the correct scale/size for > >the 1/72 SR-71? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > IIRC the refueling boom is retractable on the AMT kits. Al, Thank you for the information. I don't suppose that they're still in production are they? I'm guessing that hanging them from the ceiling tanker (naturally) above the SR-71 would be a little hard to do. I'm guessing a wooden "bookend" type of display with metal rods going into the wing tips would be the better way to display them togeather. Just how BIG are the tanker models when completed??? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >I don't suppose that they're still in production are they? No, but Heller has reboxed the KC-135A (you'd need different decals to build it as a KC-135Q) under their brand, and has released a C-135FR based on the AMT KC-135R kit - it would just be a matter of leaving a few parts off and finding USAF decals to build it as a KC-135T. > >I don't suppose that they're still in production are they? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > leaving a few parts off and finding USAF decals to build it as a > KC-135T. Al, Thanks for the info, I'll look for both of them. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Just how BIG are the tanker models when completed??? Smaller than a B-52 in that scale. Any help? I had one for awhile but sold it on when it was obvious that I didn't have 'that much' room for all the biggies (if I did manage to throw them together, a big 'if'). I think the fuselage was close to 2 feet long but I can't say about the wings as I left them packed in. Bill Banaszak, MFE The Statotanker is almost square, with a span of almost 131 ft and a length of 136 ft. If my math is correct that means that the span is about 22 inches and the length is a bit over 22 1/2 inches. Is indeed a big finished model. Also is one bear of a kit to build well. I have tried twice and never finished either. Would be a good model to hang from the ceiling so no one can look close at it. Norm > The Statotanker is almost square, with a span of almost 131 ft and a > length of 136 ft. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Norm Norm, What about my idea of hanging it higher then the SR-71 Blackbird with the refueling boom extended and inserted into the Blackbird? How "doable" is that idea? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Bill, WOW, two feet long??? That's about as big as my Enterprise NX-01 kit. . . SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > >Does anyone make a kit of it that would be the correct scale/size for the 1/72 SR-71? > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > IIRC the refueling boom is retractable on the AMT kits. And they're both big bits of plastic... RobG > > >Does anyone make a kit of it that would be the correct scale/size for > > >the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > RobG Rob, I've gotten that impression already. But it would make an impresive display hanging from the ceiling wouldn't it? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> RobG Have you thought about doing such a tandem-thing in 1/144th scale? The size would be much more manageable that way. The Revell KC-135, though it has its problems, is still buildable. Welsh Models, I believe, also make a nice one (vac-form). And I remember the LS 1/144th kit of the SR-71 to be pretty nice as well. SignatureGreg Heilers Registered Linux User #328317 - SlackWare 10.1 (2.6.10) ..... Did you know that if you play a Windows CD backwards, you can hear satanic messages? Even worse, if you play it forwards, it will install Windows... > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > (vac-form). And I remember the LS 1/144th kit of the SR-71 > to be pretty nice as well. Greg, I wasn't aware that anyone did a Blackbird in 1/144 scale. Who or how many companies make it in that scale? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >> Have you thought about doing such a tandem-thing in 1/144th >> scale? The size would be much more manageable that way. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I wasn't aware that anyone did a Blackbird in 1/144 scale. Who or how > many companies make it in that scale? I am only aware of the one, which I have/had under the LS label. It more than likely was put out under different names as well. It is probably out of production, but I am sure it is "gettable", as a Google on "LS 1/144 SR-71" turns up lots of hits. SignatureGreg Heilers Registered Linux user #328317 - SlackWare 10.1 (2.6.10) ..... The history of things that didn't happen has never been written. -- Henry Kissinger >> I wasn't aware that anyone did a Blackbird in 1/144 scale. Who or how >> many companies make it in that scale? >I am only aware of the one, which I have/had under the LS label. It more >than likely was put out under different names as well. ARII bought the LS tooling and has reissued most of their 1/144 scale kits, including the SR-71. -- MSG, USA (retired) >>> Have you thought about doing such a tandem-thing in 1/144th >>> scale? The size would be much more manageable that way. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > out of production, but I am sure it is "gettable", as a Google on > "LS 1/144 SR-71" turns up lots of hits. It seems to be available, under the Arii name: http://www.xs4all.nl/~robdebie/models/a12.htm SignatureGreg Heilers Registered Linux User #328317 - SlackWare 10.1 (2.6.10) ..... Tomorrow is cancelled, due to lack of interest. >It seems to be available, under the Arii name: > >http://www.xs4all.nl/~robdebie/models/a12.htm Yep, that's my ARII (ex LS) SR-71, in the process of being converted into an A 12. It's a nice kit, with recessed panel lines. The canopy is not very good though, and I concluded that the forward fuselage is too long. I hope to build a nice desktop model from it! Rob SignatureMy models: www.xs4all.nl/~robdebie/models.htm Me 163B site: www.sml.lr.tudelft.nl/~home/rob/me163.htm AQM-34 site: www.xs4all.nl/~robdebie/aqm34.htm Suddenly I remembered the desktop snapper SR-71 from Monogram. IIRC it's in 1/110 scale. Bill Banaszak, MFE > Suddenly I remembered the desktop snapper SR-71 from Monogram. IIRC > it's in 1/110 scale. > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Bill, That sounds like it might be a fun kit to assemble. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > I wasn't aware that anyone did a Blackbird in 1/144 scale. Who or how > many companies make it in that scale? L-S for sure. Since they've dropped out of the kit business their moulds went to someone else. They may have released it but I'm a bit clueless here. L-S Blackbirds do show up on E-bay. That's how I got mine. Bill Banaszak, MFE > AFAIK, those are actual numbers. The rub is, did they stay on any one > aircraft? I've read that numbers on aircraft at Beale were changed to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Bill Banaszak, MFE Bill, I contacted Paul R. Kucher IV the webmaster over at (www.sr-71.org) and he like you confrimed that they are/were actual numbers, and that the logos that came with the Monogram kit are also correct. I think that eventually what I'd liked to do is to build a "fleet" of Blackbirds in both NASA and Air Force markings. And at least one like The X-Men's Blackbird. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Blackbirds in both NASA and Air Force markings. And at least one like The > X-Men's Blackbird. While you're at it then, have a look at Paul Boyer's YF-12 conversion article in FSM - you found the ref somewhere above... RobG > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > RobG Rob, Is that the one about "kit bashing" two kits into the model? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > > While you're at it then, have a look at Paul Boyer's YF-12 conversion > > article in FSM - you found the ref somewhere above... > > > > RobG I think it was - I didn't look it up in the stash. Makes for an interesting version of the beast. RobG > > > While you're at it then, have a look at Paul Boyer's YF-12 > > > conversion article in FSM - you found the ref somewhere above... [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > RobG Rob, Sadly, that's one of the issues before I started buying it. BUT it is one that when the person I met locally who has them all that I'll ask if he minds making a copy of for me. Yep, that's the one, just popped over to FSM's site and did a search and that's the one that comes up, it's from Dec. of 2003. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >I think that eventually what I'd liked to do is to build a "fleet" of >Blackbirds in both NASA and Air Force markings. And at least one like The >X-Men's Blackbird. Then the question becomes: the comicbook version, or the movie version? Are you going to chrome one as Princess Amidala's spaceship? Signature-Jack > >I think that eventually what I'd liked to do is to build a "fleet" of > >Blackbirds in both NASA and Air Force markings. And at least one like [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Are you going to chrome one as Princess Amidala's spaceship? Jack, Not sure which version I'll do from the X-Men. Ok, who is Princess Amidala??? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >> >I think that eventually what I'd liked to do is to build a "fleet" of >> >Blackbirds in both NASA and Air Force markings. And at least one like [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Are you going to chrome one as Princess Amidala's spaceship? >Not sure which version I'll do from the X-Men. > >Ok, who is Princess Amidala??? Did I misspell that? I meant the Star Wars Episode 1 royal starship. I was going to say, the book _The Art of X-Men 2_ has a good couple of pages on that film's version. If you can find the old Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe comic, they have a schematic drawing under the X-Men entry. It's crude, but shows the changes you'd have to make to the general outline. Signature-Jack > >> >I think that eventually what I'd liked to do is to build a "fleet" > >> >of Blackbirds in both NASA and Air Force markings. And at least one [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > schematic drawing under the X-Men entry. It's crude, but shows > the changes you'd have to make to the general outline. Jack, Ok, that explains it then I haven't (and don't plan on) seeing any of the "new" Star Wars Movies. Ok, I'll have to look for it. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >I'm not ready to start building my SR-71 Blackbird as yet, but I've got a >question. On it's decal sheet are some rather long red lines that go on >the top of the fuesologue(sp). How does one go about laying those down >WITHOUT screwing 'em up? Use a drop or two of hand dishwashing detergent in your decal water and keep the surface to be decaled wet so that you can adjust the decal easily. Slide just a little of one end off the paper, postion it, and pull the rest of the paper out from under it while holing the decal in place with a damp brush. Repostion as necessary before blotting it down, and apply solvent after an hour or so if required. the mother of all blackbird sites, should answer any questions http://www.sr-71.org/ tail markings http://www.sr-71.org/photogallery/blackbird/index.htm > tail markings > > http://www.sr-71.org/photogallery/blackbird/index.htm Spiff, That's one of the pages that I've been d/ling my images from. When I get ready to start working on my SR-71, I plan on finding as many of the same craft from the same year, and printing them out. "Cropping" down to the details that are of interest. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > the mother of all blackbird sites, should answer any questions > > http://www.sr-71.org/ Spiff, That site is already in my favorites. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > >I'm not ready to start building my SR-71 Blackbird as yet, but I've got > >a question. On it's decal sheet are some rather long red lines that go [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > before blotting it down, and apply solvent after an hour or so if > required. Al, Thanks for the tip. I've got both bottles of Testor's decal solution. Or is there a better forumula to be used? Then after everything is set give it a coat of clear finsh to further seal everything. . . I do have one question and I think the answer is going to be yes, esp. IF I use the Eduard brass PE parts. Even though it is made out of black plastic I *SHOULD* paint it before decaling, right? And again does anyone know IF there are any resin parts for the 1/72 scale model or aftermarket decals? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > /____ ||- > `--.____,-' the scale finish is flat rather than gloss > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > the scale finish is flat rather than gloss Spiff, I know that the finshed finsh is/should be flat, but I also know that decals don't/won't stick/adhere as well to a flat finish or bare plastic as they will a gloss coat. And Testors and I'm sure plenty of other companies make dull/flat coat finishes for applying over gloss paints. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >I do have one question and I think the answer is going to be yes, esp. IF >I use the Eduard brass PE parts. Even though it is made out of black >plastic I *SHOULD* paint it before decaling, right? Whichever kit you have, you will need to use filler (I've built most of them, and none fit better than average), so yes, painting is a must. Have you considered using gloss black as a base for the decals? >And again does anyone know IF there are any resin parts for the 1/72 scale >model or aftermarket decals? I don't know of any resin parts in 1/72. If you leave the canopies down (which I thing looks better) you can get away with using nothing but the kit bits. SignatureJeff C RLHD >I've got both bottles of Testor's decal solution. Or is there a better forumula to be used? They're probably adequate but not all decals react the same way to any given product. I keep various brands of solvent on hand for just that reason. Some don't react to *any* solvent at all - then it's time to resort to a hot rag or a hair blow dryer. >Then after everything is set give it a coat of clear finsh to further seal everything. . . Yeah, but be sure to wash off any residual setting solution, solvent, or decal adhesive first. I also recommend using distilled water for decals to avoid possible contamination from any chemicals or other nasties that might be in your tap water. >I do have one question and I think the answer is going to be yes, esp. IF >I use the Eduard brass PE parts. Even though it is made out of black >plastic I *SHOULD* paint it before decaling, right? Definitely. And don't use straight black - that makes a model look toylike. Use a very dark gray or tone down your black with a few drops of white. >And again does anyone know IF there are any resin parts for the 1/72 scale >model or aftermarket decals? No resin AFAIK. Microscale/Superscale did an SR-71 sheet but it's long been out-of-print. > >I've got both bottles of Testor's decal solution. Or is there a better > >forumula to be used? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > just that reason. Some don't react to *any* solvent at all - then > it's time to resort to a hot rag or a hair blow dryer. What other brand(s) do you keep on hand? > >Then after everything is set give it a coat of clear finsh to further > >seal everything. . . [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > water for decals to avoid possible contamination from any chemicals or > other nasties that might be in your tap water. Ok, thanks for the tip on using distilled water. > >I do have one question and I think the answer is going to be yes, esp. > >IF I use the Eduard brass PE parts. Even though it is made out of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > look toylike. Use a very dark gray or tone down your black with a few > drops of white. Ok, something like 80 - 90% grey? > >And again does anyone know IF there are any resin parts for the 1/72 > >scale model or aftermarket decals? > > No resin AFAIK. Microscale/Superscale did an SR-71 sheet but > it's long been out-of-print. Frell, and double frell. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >What other brand(s) [of decal solvent] do you keep on hand? Microsol/Supersol (same thing), Solvaset, Testors, Mr. Mark Softener - just about anything I can get my hands on, actually. >>...don't use straight black - that makes a model >> look toylike. Use a very dark gray or tone down your black with a few >> drops of white. > >Ok, something like 80 - 90% grey? That's probably too light. Add just enough white so that you can see it's not pure black. >>What other brand(s) [of decal solvent] do you keep on hand? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > That's probably too light. Add just enough white so that you can > see it's not pure black. Better yet, spray the whole thing overall "almost" black. Then highlight the individual panels by airbrushing soft patches of a "scaled-down" black. And use different scaled-down blacks. Lighten some with a *small* bit of white, others with a *small* bit of a lightish blue, and perhaps even others with a *small* bit of tan/flesh. The intent is to be oh-so-subtle about it, and to break up the monotone look of a solid color. Then...if your particular kit has recessed/scribed panel lines, apply a "darker-than-dark" pure black pin-wash to these scribed lines. The end result is a model that is basically overall black...but with a myriad of slight tonal varieties. SignatureGreg Heilers Registered Linux user #328317 - SlackWare 10.1 (2.6.10) ..... In Marseilles they make half the toilet soap we consume in America, but the Marseillaise only have a vague theoretical idea of its use, which they have obtained from books of travel. -- Mark Twain > >>What other brand(s) [of decal solvent] do you keep on hand? > > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > scribed lines. The end result is a model that is basically overall > black...but with a myriad of slight tonal varieties. Greg, Thanks for the suggestions. Given that I'm going to wait until AFTER I've completed my two Star Trek models. I'll have PLENTY of time to get all my supplies. Speaking of supplies, even though they are not speificlly designed for the Monogram kit I plan on getting Eduards masks, and PE kits. I'm somewhat disapointed to hear that other then PE and decals that there doesn't seem to be any other aftermarket goodies. Does anyone other then Eduard make PE for the SR-71 Blackbird? Like I said I'm amazed at what I've been learning about the Blackbirds as I research it. Guess when it comes time to build a starter cart, that I'm going to have to scratch build one. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >...even though they are not speificlly designed for the >Monogram kit I plan on getting Eduards masks... I'd be very surprised if those fit the Monogram kit properly. You'd probably do better to spend the money on something else... > >...even though they are not speificlly designed for the > >Monogram kit I plan on getting Eduards masks... > > I'd be very surprised if those fit the Monogram kit properly. > You'd probably do better to spend the money on something else... Al, Ok, what about the PE parts? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >...what about the PE parts? Well, there are a lot more of them. *Some* are bound to be useful. > >...what about the PE parts? > > Well, there are a lot more of them. *Some* are bound to be > useful. Al, If we're talking about the Eduard PE, yeah I noticed that there's a LOT of 'em. . . Eight sheets worth. Eduard has PE for both the SR-71 and the SR-71A. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' On the 1/48 SR-71 you can in fact spray it dead black then after gloss and decals shoot it with Polly Scale clear flat and it'll lighten up considerably. No need to dick around mixing paints since the silica flattening agent in the acrylic clear will do the job for you. The trick is not applying too much clear flat or it ends up looking like a hazy glaze on very dark subjects. > Better yet, spray the whole thing overall "almost" black. Then highlight > the individual panels by airbrushing soft patches of a "scaled-down" black. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > have obtained from books of travel. > -- Mark Twain > >What other brand(s) [of decal solvent] do you keep on hand? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > That's probably too light. Add just enough white so that you can > see it's not pure black. Al, Sorry, was thinking the wrong direction, was thinking that (for some reason ) that that would be the darker end. So instead of 80 - 90% grey, 10 - 20% grey??? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >...instead of 80 - 90% grey, 10 - 20% grey? Still too light. Quit trying to develop a formula. Instead, open two bottles of black and start adding white to one of them just until you can see a difference. If you're using flat paints add a little more since it will darken when you add a gloss coat. > >...instead of 80 - 90% grey, 10 - 20% grey? > > Still too light. Quit trying to develop a formula. Instead, > open two bottles of black and start adding white to one of them just > until you can see a difference. If you're using flat paints add a > little more since it will darken when you add a gloss coat. Al, Ok, will do. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > reason ) that that would be the darker end. So instead of 80 - 90% grey, > 10 - 20% grey??? Floquil used to have a model railroad colour called Locomotive Black that'd be a good thing to look for. Intensely black steam engines don't look right either. Were it still available I'd recommend Pactra's Hot Rod Primer for the afterburner cans. That was a great colour and Testors should be ashamed for dropping it. I used to use a lot of it for aircraft tires, machine guns (before gunmetals were available), etc. Heck, I even painted a Lincoln that colour then glossed it. Looked great on a luxury auto. Bill Banaszak, MFE > >What other brand(s) [of decal solvent] do you keep on hand? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > That's probably too light. Add just enough white so that you can > see it's not pure black. Al, didn't see the part about the decal solvents, which online shop is the best source? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' >...didn't see the part about the decal solvents, which online shop is the >best source? I dunno. Except for the Mr. Mark Softener, which I got from Rainbow 10 in Japan, I bought all my decal solvents locally. > And again does anyone know IF there are any resin parts for the 1/72 scale > model or aftermarket decals? http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/?CATEGORY=&DIVISION=&MANUFACTURER=&CODE=&TYPE=& SCALE=&KEYWORD=sr-71&NUMPERPAGE=25&order%5B%5D=arrived+desc&order%5B%5D=code+asc That's what I can come up with. SignatureUffe > > And again does anyone know IF there are any resin parts for the 1/72 > > scale model or aftermarket decals? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That's what I can come up with. Uffe, Thank you for the link. > And again does anyone know IF there are any resin parts for the 1/72 scale > model or aftermarket decals? Well aware that this is not what you're asking for. Still I thought you would like it. http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/mod/kusterssr71.htm SignatureUffe > > And again does anyone know IF there are any resin parts for the 1/72 > > scale model or aftermarket decals? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://modelingmadness.com/reviews/mod/kusterssr71.htm Uffe, Thank you, I'll check it out with the other link that ya posted. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' Ya know after thinking about it, I'd have rather seen any of the kit makers include a starter cart rather then the D-21 Drone. As the SR-71 itself didn't fly with the drone, but rather the M-21 and that was only for a short while, before going to the B-52Hs. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > As the SR-71 >itself didn't fly with the drone, but rather the M-21 and that was only >for a short while, Exactly half a flight, to be precise... If you ever get to the Seattle area, the Seattle Museum of flight has the surviving M-21 with a D-21 mounted on top. It's impressive : ) SignatureJeff C RLHD > > As the SR-71 > >itself didn't fly with the drone, but rather the M-21 and that was only [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If you ever get to the Seattle area, the Seattle Museum of flight has > the surviving M-21 with a D-21 mounted on top. It's impressive : ) Jeff, I'm sure it is, I'd like to go to Seattle if for no other reason then to see it. SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > /____ ||- > `--.____,-' Perhaps A chatroom would be more suitable for this "one on one" discussion.. this is a rather slow way to have an in-depth conversation wouldn't you agree? > Perhaps A chatroom would be more suitable for this "one on one" > discussion.. > > this is a rather slow way to have an in-depth conversation wouldn't > you agree? Possibly you are correct. However, I for one do not have the time to devote to sitting on my fundament and 'chatting' to someone else. This suits me just fine - I can download the messages while I'm doing the email and online research, then catch them up when I have a few minutes. Besides, how would we all get online together at the same time given the time zone differences? RobG > Perhaps A chatroom would be more suitable for this "one on one" > discussion.. > > this is a rather slow way to have an in-depth conversation wouldn't > you agree? I for one definatily disagree. Since I'm interested in the Blackbird and sitting in Denmark, I would be totally lost in a chat, due to the time difference. SignatureUffe > > Perhaps A chatroom would be more suitable for this "one on one" > > discussion.. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Since I'm interested in the Blackbird and sitting in Denmark, > I would be totally lost in a chat, due to the time difference. Uffe, I agree, given that we are not only all over America, but all over the world. What better way to do it then like this? SignatureDigital_Cowboy Live Long and Prosper ___________________ _-_ \==============_=_/ ____.---'---`---.____ \_ \ \----._________.----/ \ \ / / `-_-' __,--`.`-'..'-_ /____ ||- `--.____,-' |
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