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e - 30 Mar 2005 04:29 GMT
ok, now that i've sen the virtues of single link track, how
do i use one piece units to make them look natural? it's
easy with the single links, but those one piece look fake.
also, what's the opinion of icm armor kits? the pzk2 luchs
seems like an ok kit. the wheels are kinda fiddly but look
great with the single link track. is this an accurate kit?
seems like it needs some detailing.
Greg Heilers - 30 Mar 2005 04:37 GMT
> ok, now that i've sen the virtues of single link track, how
> do i use one piece units to make them look natural? it's
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> great with the single link track. is this an accurate kit?
> seems like it needs some detailing.

The large pieces can be made to look realistic, but it involves work.
Obviously, it is easier on vehicles with narrow-chord tracks.
It would be very hard to make such a "one piece" from a T-34
look realistic.

ICM kits are pretty nice; but they don't "build themselves"
like Tamiya kits.  If you like to "build models" as opposed to
simply "assemble kits", then you will enjoy ICM models.

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e - 30 Mar 2005 04:54 GMT
>> ok, now that i've sen the virtues of single link track, how
>> do i use one piece units to make them look natural? it's
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>like Tamiya kits.  If you like to "build models" as opposed to
>simply "assemble kits", then you will enjoy ICM models.

the track is from the eastern express kv-1c, so it's big.
no way to work it? is there an alternative.
i like to build and the luchs is not difficult, it just
seems bare. i have to find some refs for detailing it.
have you built any eastern expresses? they seem like ok kits
too. not difficult, wither.
Greg Heilers - 30 Mar 2005 05:19 GMT
> the track is from the eastern express kv-1c, so it's big.
> no way to work it? is there an alternative.
> i like to build and the luchs is not difficult, it just
> seems bare. i have to find some refs for detailing it.
> have you built any eastern expresses? they seem like ok kits
> too. not difficult, wither.

These tracks are "big", in that they are "wide", but they have
a pretty narrow "chord" (pitch? length? depth?); so it wouldn't
be *that* hard to work with them.

Can you get a cheap/easy set of "alternative" tracks?  If I
remember correctly, the tracks in the Dragon/DML Su-122 kits
are *very* similar to KV  tracks.  Perhaps these will also
fit your Eastern Express kit.  You can probably find a fellow
modeler locally, who would part with one of these kits cheaply.
And I believe it is available now under the Shanghai-Dragon
label, so the entire kit would be far less pricey than a set
of after-market Fruil tracks.

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Jim - 30 Mar 2005 05:31 GMT
true but the Fruil KV tracks look so nice when finished.  I'll post a pic of
mine in abms.

> > the track is from the eastern express kv-1c, so it's big.
> > no way to work it? is there an alternative.
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> label, so the entire kit would be far less pricey than a set
> of after-market Fruil tracks.
e - 30 Mar 2005 06:23 GMT
>true but the Fruil KV tracks look so nice when finished.  I'll post a pic of
>mine in abms.

cool.
e - 30 Mar 2005 06:23 GMT
>> the track is from the eastern express kv-1c, so it's big.
>> no way to work it? is there an alternative.
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>label, so the entire kit would be far less pricey than a set
>of after-market Fruil tracks.

i couldn't find a model kit, much less a modeler locally.
walmart sells crappy car kits. that's it. cosest other
source is 30 miles and is poor. real models are 80 miles.
fruil are the metal ones? i'm not quite museum stage yet...
how would i work the stockers? i've read about clear line,
wire, etc to hold them down, but they have very little play.
Kurt Laughlin - 31 Mar 2005 06:05 GMT
> These tracks are "big", in that they are "wide", but they have
> a pretty narrow "chord" (pitch? length? depth?); so it wouldn't
> be *that* hard to work with them.

Pitch.

KL
AMPSOne@aol.com - 31 Mar 2005 00:49 GMT
The tracks that come with the EE KV-1S kit CAN be used with it, but it
takes a bit of work.

Before installing, get the suspension set up and ensure you have a good
fit with the idlers as they are fragile. These tracks are a TIGHT fit
so they have to be able to take the strain. Leave the drivers off (this
is how you will get the tracks on the model later.)

First off, wash them thoroughly to get rid of mold release. Fasten the
four sections into two track sets. Paint the tracks (I use a dark
reddish brown or burnt sienna as a base color, as they tend to oxidize
to a dark color and not a bright rust.) Wash with black and drybrush
with silver.

Orient the tracks and put them on one side. Gently put the driver into
the notches in the track and pull back until you can slide it on its
mounting peg. (It's not going anywhere, but you can use plastic cement
if you left the peg unpainted.)
Make sure all of the teeth are in the groove between all the wheel
sets.

Then mount the other track in the same fashion.

To get "sag" with these tracks, you need some .030 or .040 piano wire
(e.g. stiff steel rod) and a pin vise. Press down with the pin vise and
drill a hole in the side of the hull about centered between the return
rollers and even with the tops of the return rollers. Repeat on the
other side.

Cut a length of wire (you may need a hacksaw with this stuff) about the
distance from the center of the track on one side to the center of the
track on the other side. With the turret off, stick one end through the
first hole, forcing the track down under the rod. Slide it through, and
using a finger move it until you can align it with the hole on the
other side. Slide the rod through and over the top of the other track.

Repeat for the other gap between the return rollers.

Paint the rod with the reddish color and a bit of drybrushing with
silver and it blends in, hiding it from general site.

Works for me.

Cookie Sewell
e - 31 Mar 2005 02:52 GMT
>The tracks that come with the EE KV-1S kit CAN be used with it, but it
>takes a bit of work.
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>
>Cookie Sewell

i did the mold/release ca glue thing and it's fine. i have
heard of using clear fishing line also. is piano wire
better?
you have a real convert to single track links, they are
really bitchin good looks. even a kludgehead fumblefinger
like me got great, natural looking track the first time
doing it your way.
i hope to go digital soon and get your critique of them and
my weathering.
thanks cookie!
 
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