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Model Forum / General / Railroads / February 2004diesel engines
Was the CB&Q the first railroad to come out with diesel in 1934? Paul McCann God bless you and have a good day with Him at your side. >God bless you and have a good day with Him at your side. Is hthat the name of your dog? What the heck has that got to do with railroads? > >God bless you and have a good day with Him at your side. > > Is hthat the name of your dog? What the heck has that got to do with > railroads? Dear sir, No, I never heard of a dog named 'Hthat'. Most of the time you want a name you can yell and be heard with. Like 'Hey you'...that's a good one. Of course then you have your dog chasing after anybody who says 'Hey you'. As far as God having anything to do with railroads, I presume the invention of matter and existence would fall into that category, yes. I mean, shoot, it would be pretty difficult to make a 28 D 81/8 diesel engine without the atoms to make the iron from, don't your think? Cordially yours, Gerard P. It depends on what you mean. If you are referring to the CB&Q #9900 as a Diesel powered streamlined articulated train set, yes, it was the first in the US. But it was not the first internal combustion powered streamlined articulated train set - the UP M-10000 was delivered 2 months earlier. UP M-10000 had a distillate burning, spark ignition engine so it was not truly a "Diesel". But CB&Q #9900 was not the first RR diesel locomotive. The CNJ #1000 of 1924 is generally called the first commercially successful diesel-electric locomotive. But it was not the first diesel locomotive either. There were various experimentals as early as 1918. And these were not the first internal combustion RR units - GE built a gas-electric doodlebug as early as 1906. GQ > Was the CB&Q the first railroad to come out with diesel in 1934? > Paul McCann Paul, IIRC, the first real diesel may have been an Ingersall-Rand boxcab for the CNJ. The CB&Q Pioneer Zephyr may have been the first 'diesel' powered passenger train. Most previous attempts were gas-electric 'doodlebug' cars that had a gasoline engine in them. Jim Bernier > Was the CB&Q the first railroad to come out with diesel in 1934? > Paul McCann > > God bless you and have a good day with Him at your side. Salvé > Paul, > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > God bless you and have a good day with Him at your side. This may be true for the USA however the first diesel loco was a shunter (switcher) in Hull docks owned by the Royal Navy, 4 hp and c 1880 I believe, the first diesel electric was a swedish unit, 1902 I think but I'm not sure.The RN loco was an oil engine and rather earlier than herr Doktor Diesel's invention, so it might not be strictly speaking a diesel, but then Dr Diesels engines never worked anyway :) ( started by compressed air)so modern disels may not be Diesels either :D Beowulf > Salvé > > Paul, [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > modern disels may not be Diesels either :D > Beowulf The important design feature/concept of a Diesel engine is that it is totally compression ignition in normal operation. The RN loco you are talking about used a separate chamber maintained at a high temperature in conjunction with compression to create fuel mixture ignition, a rather hit and miss system that severely limited the rev range and hence the practiability of such motors. Regards, Greg.P. > > Salvé > > > Paul, [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Regards, > Greg.P. I stand happily corrected :) Wasnt it called a robinson oil engine or something like that? bit of a mouthful, diesel is so much easier :) though not a tasty...... Beowulf > > > Salvé > > > > Paul, [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > not a tasty...... > Beowulf Robinson sounds familiar - I have a book from the period (well 1890s) with some statistics of available British engines and diagrams/details of a Tangyes engine. One has to turn a blowtorch on the bulb chamber attached to the combustion chamber until it nears red hot to get the cylinder contents to ignite. Because of the volume of the bulb chamber the compression ratio can never be sufficient for the mixture to compression ignite but I think the theory is that the small connecting aperture becomes close to invisible at normal operating speed. Salvé > > I stand happily corrected :) Wasnt it called a robinson oil engine or > > something like that? bit of a mouthful, diesel is so much easier :) though [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > is that the small connecting aperture becomes close to invisible at normal > operating speed. This type of engine known in Sweden as a "Kulmotor" is still in production , albeit for fishing boats they have a very distinctive sound you can hear every piston stroke ! the factory that made this type of engine closed down in the 40/50´s and stood as left, then in the 90´s it was reopened as a living museum and produces spares (1 Employee........) for existing motors of which unbelievably there are many, both world wide and in Scandinavia, its a VERY reliable motor(no electrics) BMW also made them for their farm tractors, I must find out where this factory is :) Beowulf > This type of engine known in Sweden as a "Kulmotor" is still in production , > albeit for fishing boats they have a very distinctive sound you can hear > every piston stroke ! What the heck, my ex-father-in-law (now dead, and I miss him) had a 1935 Seabird yawl (good sea-keeper - cramped cabin, but a helluva keel - a North Sea inspired boat) with a one lunger gasoline engine that even at full bore just chugged along, every detonation in it's long, long stroke separately audible like an old tractor, or 1/6 of an Austin Healy 3000 motor. (What's the difference, you ask? Nil.)  SignatureSteve Caple Salvé > > This type of engine known in Sweden as a "Kulmotor" is still in production , > > albeit for fishing boats they have a very distinctive sound you can hear [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > -- > Steve Caple Dear Steve, A bit like a Panther motorcycle then :) 600cc single cylinder........ Beowulf > Salvé > > > This type of engine known in Sweden as a "Kulmotor" is still in [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > A bit like a Panther motorcycle then :) 600cc single cylinder........ > Beowulf There was nothing like a Panther motorcycle motor! > A bit like a Panther motorcycle then :) 600cc single cylinder Otherwise known as "the proctologists' friend"? SignatureSteve Caple What does SV: mean? -- Bill Kaiser wkaiser@mtholyoke.edu There are three ways to do a job: good, cheap, and quick. You can have any two. A good, cheap job won't be quick. A good, quick job won't be cheap. A cheap, quick job won't be good. > What does SV: mean? Sports Vehicle SignatureWill HO - Credit Valley Railway www.muskokacomputes.com/CVR_Home.htm Salvé > What does SV: mean? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > A good, quick job won't be cheap. > A cheap, quick job won't be good. This is the swedish version of ms's thingy (I live in Sweden) and sv is short fro SVAR which means answer, ie swer in answer is the same word as svar... :) Beowulf Bill wrote: > What does SV: mean? Same as "Re:" appended to the subject when you reply to a thread in a newsreader that uses English rather than Swedish. SignatureSteve Caple > > This type of engine known in Sweden as a "Kulmotor" is still in production , > > albeit for fishing boats they have a very distinctive sound you can hear [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > audible like an old tractor, or 1/6 of an Austin Healy 3000 > motor. (What's the difference, you ask? Nil.) The Austin Healey/Westminster motor was built more heavily! Salvé > > > This type of engine known in Sweden as a "Kulmotor" is still in production , > > > albeit for fishing boats they have a very distinctive sound you can hear [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > The Austin Healey/Westminster motor was built more heavily! Rolls Royce built boxer steam motors :) ie Sentinel , used in locos and lorries up to the 70´s I believ! Beowulf > Salvé > > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Rolls Royce built boxer steam motors :) ie Sentinel , used in locos and > lorries up to the 70´s I believ! I didn't think they went beyond the 1950s, but the 1970s is possible. Those motors were intended to be light weight whereas the Austin motor seems to have been intended to stop large trucks from blowing away during hurricanes! > Salvé > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > tractors, I must find out where this factory is :) > Beowulf You may be thinking of the "Lanz Bulldog" built from 1934 to the 1960s. There was one on a neighbouring farm when I was a teenager. It was started using a cartridge like a shotgun shell. The motor had to be extremely solidly constructed and has a huge flywheel to convert the slow cylinder impulses into continuous motion. I think the only thing that will destroy such motors is a flawed casting, although probably sinking to the bottom of the north sea would slow them a little. >It was started using a cartridge like a shotgun shell.< That airplane engine in the movie "Flight of the Phoenix" used something like that to start the engine. Something I'd never heard of so dismissed it as Hollywood! Salvé > >It was started using a cartridge like a shotgun shell.< > That airplane engine in the movie "Flight of the Phoenix" used something > like that to start the engine. Something I'd never heard of so dismissed it > as Hollywood! Many piston engined aircraft used a cartridge system as well as a few jet aircraft, the Canberra bomber for one if I remember correctly. The USAF used an american built version. Beowulf Salvé > > Salvé > > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > thing that will destroy such motors is a flawed casting, although probably > sinking to the bottom of the north sea would slow them a little. No it was a Swedish built motor, and lying on the sea bottom would probably not do them much damage.....they were (the BMW) also started by a blowlamp. Beowulf > Salvé > > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > No it was a Swedish built motor, and lying on the sea bottom would probably > not do them much damage.....they were (the BMW) also started by a blowlamp. I don't have much experience with old BMWs as it's a long way from Eisenach and Bavaria to New Zealand. I know the Austin Seven motor of the Dixi, the Bristol 2 litre, the Issetta and the horizontally opposed twins and have read of the post war V8. Very few Swedish motors have made it to my door, a SAAB 3 cylinder and there's some nutter with the entire NZ collection of Volvo Amazons only 5-6 kilometers down the road. Regards, Greg.P. Salvé > > No it was a Swedish built motor, and lying on the sea bottom would probably > > not do them much damage.....they were (the BMW) also started by a blowlamp. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Regards, > Greg.P. I rather like amazons :) but the Duette which they are based on is a nicer sort of car. looks like a pregnant morris traveller.... :) Beowulf > Salvé > > > No it was a Swedish built motor, and lying on the sea bottom would [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > I rather like amazons :) but the Duette which they are based on is a nicer > sort of car. looks like a pregnant morris traveller.... Is that one of the round back styles? I saw one here once. Salvé > > Salvé > > > > No it was a Swedish built motor, and lying on the sea bottom would [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Is that one of the round back styles? I saw one here once. Yes , but the estate car (Station wagon) is really nice :) and the B18 engine is superb, mind you its a simple matter to uprate it to a more modern engine and gear box, though as they can cruise at 70mph thi wasnt big on my list of things to do when I had a 1967 model. Beowulf > Salvé > > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > modern engine and gear box, though as they can cruise at 70mph thi wasnt big > on my list of things to do when I had a 1967 model. Well, until a few years ago the only Volvo cars we ever saw were private imports. As there are no spare parts (here) one would have expected them to have a very short life span but a few still trundle around! Salvé > > Salvé > > > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > imports. As there are no spare parts (here) one would have expected them to have > a very short life span but a few still trundle around! They are unbelievably well built and the B18 motor (1800cc) is virtually bullet proof, there are even still a few of the extremely rare volvo vans driving around in daily use, and thats not to mntion the amasing Volvo command car with a 4 liter diesel motor.... I wants one..... :) especially the radio command car with the bulkhead filled with dials and other touchy feely goodies!! oh yes unlike a jeep its also armoured I think! Beowulf > Salvé > > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > feely goodies!! oh yes unlike a jeep its also armoured I think! > Beowulf If I find one I'll swap it for a KdF Commandeurwagen! Regards, Greg.P. Salvé > > > > Yes , but the estate car (Station wagon) is really nice :) and the B18 > > > > engine is superb, mind you its a simple matter to uprate it to a more [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Regards, > Greg.P. Well unlike the VW this is a huge car as well as having a functional 4wd and built like a tank :) it would make a good shunting (switching) loco on a museum line, its an amasing bit of kit :) beowulf > Salvé > > > > > Yes , but the estate car (Station wagon) is really nice :) and the [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > museum line, its an amasing bit of kit :) > beowulf So you'll be happy to swap! :-) The KDF wagen was also produced as a rail vehicle (Type 82(?)) - I've always wondered how they got over the variable track width created by the rear swinging arms? Regards, Greg.P. >Was the CB&Q the first railroad to come out with diesel in 1934? No. >God bless you and have a good day with Him at your side. I thought LBJ's beagle died years ago. |
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