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Model Forum / General / Railroads / March 2004Bush should be President
1. For keeping me and my family safe. 2. Expressing views that I (mostly) agree with. 3. Being a man of his word. 4. Acting like a president when visiting our troops, etc., etc. 5. As a company(Model Railroad Design), we have never been busier. 6. I do not agree with all of his policy, but dam it, he is our president. 7. He is not personally responsible for mad cow disease. 8. Add your reasons here. I will try to keep further comments on this board related to trains, real and model. Also, we are taking job applications, email me for info. What is your specialty? Don Cardiff Model Railroad Design Kaneville, IL > 1. For keeping me and my family safe. > 2. Expressing views that I (mostly) agree with. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Model Railroad Design > Kaneville, IL Don I agree with you 100%! Cept'about the mad cow thing, I thought that was the previous Presidents fault. After all, have you ever seen a certain Jr Senator from New York pissed off at her husband? Whew, talk about a mad cow! >After all, have you ever seen a >certain Jr Senator from New York pissed off at her husband? Whew, talk >about a mad cow! LOL! Jay CNS&M North Shore Line - "First and fastest" > >After all, have you ever seen a > >certain Jr Senator from New York pissed off at her husband? Whew, talk [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Jay > CNS&M North Shore Line - "First and fastest" While I agree completely with the premise of this thread, please take the discussion to an appropriate group and leave us to ponder the model train. Michael > 1. For keeping me and my family safe. > 2. Expressing views that I (mostly) agree with. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Model Railroad Design > Kaneville, IL Don, you are entitled to your opinion but I think he should not be re-elected because: 1. He led the nation to war when there were no WMD's. Iraq did not attack us, Al Queda did and Iraq was not an immediate threat. 2. He has squandered a surplus and created a huge debt. 3. His administration has openly supported the outsourcing of US jobs overseas. 4. He has messed up No Child Left Behind 5. He is now rumbling about Social Security while Greenspan suggest we need to cut back. 6. The same policies apply to medicare, he has passed a drug bill which actually benefits the monsterous drug companies he is in bed with. 7. He suggest even further tax cuts which will not doubt further increase the debt. 8. All he has done that I agree with is his stand on gay marriage and abortion. However, these two issues are not enough for me to vote for him Thanks Marty Hall Let's just change this group to rec.models.railroad.politics and be done with it, shall we?  SignatureBrian Ehni > Let's just change this group to rec.models.railroad.politics and be done > with it, shall we? It might be more interesting. Please notice the original thread has almost 300 post. Have you seen any model rr thread that comes close. Marty Hall On 2/27/04 12:17 AM, in article d3433e5f.0402262217.7e049468@posting.google.com, "Marty Hall" <rockislandkid@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Let's just change this group to rec.models.railroad.politics and be done >> with it, shall we? > > It might be more interesting. Please notice the original thread has > almost 300 post. Have you seen any model rr thread that comes close. > Marty Hall Heck, no. Which was also my point, too. SignatureBrian Ehni Half of those are you posting to yourself or hate flaming under all of your fake names. Who are you this week? > > Let's just change this group to rec.models.railroad.politics and be done > > with it, shall we? > > It might be more interesting. Please notice the original thread has > almost 300 post. Have you seen any model rr thread that comes close. > Marty Hall > Half of those are you posting to yourself or hate flaming under all of > your fake names. Who are you this week? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > almost 300 post. Have you seen any model rr thread that comes close. > > Marty Hall HE HE HE you are really going to be pissed. Marty Hall > It might be more interesting. Please notice the original thread has > almost 300 post. Have you seen any model rr thread that comes close. In the past year: "George Sellios' layout " (820 messages) "Toronto Convention - Update from the organisers. (641 messages) "Number of electrical blocks? (548 messages) "Going to the NMRA Convention in Toronto? (356 messages) > 1. For keeping me and my family safe. He has put you, your family and the rest of the world in more danger than anyone since the Vietnam era. > 2. Expressing views that I (mostly) agree with. It's time you started to think about the consequences of your views. > 3. Being a man of his word. Being a liar is good? > 4. Acting like a president when visiting our troops, etc., etc. Carrying his own turkey? > 5. As a company(Model Railroad Design), we have never been busier. > 6. I do not agree with all of his policy, but dam it, he is our president. Yup, elected by your court system! > 7. He is not personally responsible for mad cow disease. Still under discussion. > 8. Add your reasons here. He makes everyone else in the USa look a little brighter. > I will try to keep further comments on this board related to trains, real > and model. Also, we are taking job applications, email me for info. What is > your specialty? I make model trains. Regards, Greg.P. I see you are still a stoned out idiot spewing your lies and hatred of the USA again. We are still laughing at you because you are a pathetic loser. > > 1. For keeping me and my family safe. > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Regards, > Greg.P. > I see you are still a stoned out idiot spewing your lies and hatred of > the USA again. We are still laughing at you because you are a [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Regards, > > Greg.P. Don't worry with Rathole, in short order you will be able to send him a Christmas card. Marty Hall I'd like to vote with a rope and a quick drop. Bruce > 1. For keeping me and my family safe. > 2. Expressing views that I (mostly) agree with. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Model Railroad Design > Kaneville, IL Whether your politics lean left, right, or somewhere in between, I think questioning authority is a person's patriotic duty! Sure, Bush cut some taxes, but then his government went on a wild spending spree, and sooner or later, you and I will have to pay for it in the form of higher taxes (surely you don't think we can go on spending like we've been doing without having to hike taxes do you? Even Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush eventually had to). Government budget deficits are just taxes to be paid at a later date, and right now, we've got a whopper of a budget deficit which wasn't there under the Clinton administration. Funny, I thought the Democrats were the tax-and-spend party, while the Republicans were about smaller government. You don't mention where you get your news, but I get mine largely from the Wall Street Journal and the NY Times and don't bother with the television news. > 1. For keeping me and my family safe. > 2. Expressing views that I (mostly) agree with. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Model Railroad Design > Kaneville, IL My real goal was to change the name of the thread - it appears I have had minor success. Don Cardiff Model Railroad Design Kaneville, IL > 1. For keeping me and my family safe. For making the world hate us. > 2. Expressing views that I (mostly) agree with. Bush says a lot but you need to observe what he does. > 3. Being a man of his word. HUH? Uniter not divider. > 4. Acting like a president when visiting our troops, etc., etc. Never attending or acknowledging the death or attending the funeral of a single soldier. > 5. As a company(Model Railroad Design), we have never been busier. Good for you. The company I work for is about where it was a year before Bush stole the presidency. > 6. I do not agree with all of his policy, but dam it, he is our president. Damn it so was Clinton and he did not steal it, nor apparently did he steal anything else since 2 million dollars was spent trying to find some evidence. > 7. He is not personally responsible for mad cow disease. He is personally responsible because he is the president and he sets the policies. > 8. Add your reasons here. I am a patriot and a veteran. I never went AWOL on my commitments and I care about this country. > I will try to keep further comments on this board related to trains, real > and model. Also, we are taking job applications, email me for info. What is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Model Railroad Design > Kaneville, IL Signature------------------------------------------------------ Ken Harstine Holyoke, Massachusetts k.harstine@ieee.org (use this for future correspondence) http://www.nonotuck.us In other words, "screw the national debt, civil rights and clean air, as long as he makes me feel good". Thanks for sharing. >8. Add your reasons here. 8.His tax cut has stimulated the economy! The Clinton/Gore crash of March 2000 has been reversed. It looked like that was going to happen in 2001 and then 9/11. It took a second round of tax cuts. We see job growth, the stock market was up a lot last year, and interest rates are still low. Go buy a house! 9.He is taking on the death tax. After years of having the Democrats steal from the dead, he finally got it temporarily recinded. I paid my taxes when I earned my money and I paid them when the dividends came in. I should be able to pass anything I don't spend on trains to my grand children without the Democrats taking 50% and giving it to the lazy, National Puplic Radio and the Endowment for the Arts. 10.Libia, North Korea and Iran are disarming! These tinpot dictators see a President who would not stand for threats and would not pay them off as Carter and Clinton did North Korea. We have a world moving toward a safer world. 11. Told the Europeans to take there global warming treaty and shove it! If we have global warming (a big if), it is do in part to the 3 billion Chinese and the 3 billion Indians. To give these overpopulated contries a pass on CO2 emissions just showed the ultimate intent of the UN and Europe - to disadvantage our manufacturing capacity more. We do nothing or everyone shares the burden. Art Adkins Modleing the Colorado Midland circa 1905 > >8. Add your reasons here. > > 8.His tax cut has stimulated the economy! The Clinton/Gore crash of March 2000 > has been reversed. It looked like that was going to happen in 2001 and then > 9/11. It took a second round of tax cuts. We see job growth, the stock market > was up a lot last year, and interest rates are still low. Go buy a house! Great, but at what expense ??? Who is paying for the less fortunate ?? > 9.He is taking on the death tax. After years of having the Democrats steal from > the dead, he finally got it temporarily recinded. I paid my taxes when I earned > my money and I paid them when the dividends came in. I should be able to pass > anything I don't spend on trains to my grand children without the Democrats > taking 50% and giving it to the lazy, National Puplic Radio and the Endowment > for the Arts. So you call the less fortunate lazy...??? And don't worry too much, your money is well spend on planes & tanks etc... > 10.Libia, North Korea and Iran are disarming! These tinpot dictators see a > President who would not stand for threats and would not pay them off as Carter > and Clinton did North Korea. We have a world moving toward a safer world. Libya is a UN boycott, don't give the credit to Bush. France is a mayor player here, more important than the US. I don't see North Korea disarming, without the help of China nothing is going to change here. Iran has about as much Nuclear weapons as Iraq has, you got a point here!! > 11. Told the Europeans to take there global warming treaty and shove it! If we > have global warming (a big if), it is do in part to the 3 billion Chinese and > the 3 billion Indians. To give these overpopulated contries a pass on CO2 > emissions just showed the ultimate intent of the UN and Europe - to > disadvantage our manufacturing capacity more. We do nothing or everyone shares > the burden. The Kyoto treaty was not European but it was GLOBAL, and the one and only BIG user of energy is the USA, not the chinese or indians. > Art Adkins > Modleing the Colorado Midland circa 1905 >So you call the less fortunate lazy...??? Hey, if a buck-27 a week at $15,000 (your tax savings) is a disincentive to work, how much more of a disincentive is $1021 a week? (your average weekly savings if you are one of the lucky top 1% of earners) "It's _Still_ the Economy, Stupid", by Paul Begala. Jay CNS&M North Shore Line - "First and fastest" > > In article <20040226144007.25024.00000354@mb-m07.aol.com>, > > cbt2000@aol.com [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Great, but at what expense ??? Who is paying for the less fortunate ?? They get jobs building houses! See how it works? > > 9.He is taking on the death tax. After years of having the Democrats > > steal [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Endowment > > for the Arts. > So you call the less fortunate lazy...??? And don't worry too much, your > money is well spend on planes & tanks etc... In large extent, the less fortunate are the lazy. I didn't see him say "don't take money away from the genuinely deserving"! And I agree that our money is well spent on planes and taks. The most expensive military is the second-best. > > 10.Libia, North Korea and Iran are disarming! These tinpot dictators see > > a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > going to change here. > Iran has about as much Nuclear weapons as Iraq has, you got a point here!! I suspect the timing of Hussein's capture and Libya's sudden movement towards peace were not just coincidental... As for the rest, the futire will tell... > > 11. Told the Europeans to take there global warming treaty and shove it! > If we [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The Kyoto treaty was not European but it was GLOBAL, and the one and only > BIG user of energy is the USA, not the chinese or indians. We are in large extent "factory to the world", if we stopped this, the rest of the world would simply be doing the same things, producing the same pollutants. It would just be more scattered out. In any case, I have seen no sign that unnatural global warming is going on. In fact if anything the globe is cooler than it used to be. Greenland is no longer green, you can't grow wheat there any more... and good luck getting grapes to grow in Vinland. Our pollution could accidentally save us from the Great Freeze... WinBear >8.His tax cut has stimulated the economy! The Clinton/Gore crash of March >2000 The GOP leaders (Gingrich, Armey, etc.) predicted Clinton's first budget would put us in a recession in 6 months. It took almost 8 years, but that was partially due to external events (Thailand devalued the baht), and the dot-com meltdown, which was a bunch of smoke-and-mirror salesmen (How many years did it take Amazon.com to turn a profit? And their stock did what? Tripled? Quintupled? Not realistic based on earnings.) >has been reversed. It looked like that was going to happen in 2001 and then >9/11. It took a second round of tax cuts. We see job growth, Yeah! 21,000 jobs last month. Woo-hoo! And the January and Feb numbers are being revised downward. (NPR News, March 5th). the stock market >was up a lot last year, and interest rates are still low. Go buy a house! For a person earning $15,000 a year, that tax cut saved $1.27 a week. Don't spend it all in one place. You made between $35K and $44K? About $11.54 a week. (Yawn). If you were in the top 1% of earners, you saved $1021 per week in taxes. Bush's tax cut did not help almost 53% of black and Hispanic families with children. Bush also did away with Reagan's corporate alternative minimum tax. Retroactively. All 16 years of taxes paid under this tax were refunded. Ford gained over $2 billion (by far the biggest winner). The tax was instituted in 1986 because the richest 129 corporations paid _NO_ income tax at all. The average American pays more in payroll taxes (read SocSec) than Fed income tax. Bush cut taxes on the govt's biggest source of revenue - the rich. Now we have deficits. DUH! Now do the math. If the middle 20% earn between $35K and $44K, the median income in the USA is $39,500. Half of all tax forms filed (jointly and separately) earn this figure or less. I don't have my fingers on the mean (average). Less than $40,000 isn't a lot of money, and a lot of people are having to make do on $30,000 and less. $75,000 will get you into the top 20% of earners, and I"m going off memory here, but $250,000 will get you into either the top 1% or top 5%. Probably 5%. Figures from "It's _Still_ the Economy, Stupid" by Paul Begala (unfortunately the footnotes were not included with the book. You have to write the author for them, so I can't quote the original sources of his information). Times are great if you have a job that isn't getting shipped to India or China, or you have a job at all. If you're in IT (like I _was_) or manufacturing right now, times can really be sucking. Badly. >9.He is taking on the death tax. After years of having the Democrats steal >from >the dead, he finally got it temporarily recinded. The estate tax was paid by only 43,000 people in 2001. 98.6% of us will never pay it. When my mother died (1995), the estate tax didn't kick in until the estate was worth over $500,000, and even then ONLY on the portion over $500,000. >I paid my taxes when I >earned >my money and I paid them when the dividends came in. I should be able to pass >anything I don't spend on trains to my grand children without the Democrats >taking 50% and giving it to the lazy, National Puplic Radio and the Endowment >for the Arts. Unless you have a ton, your heirs will probably never pay this tax. Long live NPR! (There's no such thing as Liberal Radio in Milwaukee.) NEA, well, they've funded some dubious stuff, I'll give you that. But Public TV is good! Network sucks generally. >10.Libia, North Korea and Iran are disarming! These tinpot dictators see a >President who would not stand for threats and would not pay them off as >Carter >and Clinton did North Korea. We have a world moving toward a safer world. Iran is about 2 steps from civil war. Khadafy is realizing he won't last forever. North Korea has the Bomb. That's disarming? It seems to me they went ahead with the bomb program after Bush refused to sell/give them food. They did it for spite, not because "Bush stood up to them". Safer world? You're deluding yourself. The new paradigm of warfare for the 21st century is terrorism. You face attack anytime, anywhere. At least with nuclear annihilation, you could figure after about 1970 it would probably never happen. >11. Told the Europeans to take there global warming treaty and shove it! If >we >have global warming (a big if), Agreed there; based on dubious science. it is due in part to the 3 billion Chinese and >the 3 billion Indians. about 1.6 and 1.2 billion respectively, at last count. > To give these overpopulated contries a pass on CO2 >emissions just showed the ultimate intent of the UN and Europe - to >disadvantage our manufacturing capacity more. We do nothing or everyone >shares >the burden. We consume about 20% of the world's energy, and generate about 25% of the worth, or something like that. China's share will be growing in coming years, to be sure, and so will India's. There's a finite petro-energy supply. We need alternatives, and we need them NOW. Jay CNS&M North Shore Line - "First and fastest" > >8. Add your reasons here. > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > Art Adkins > Modleing the Colorado Midland circa 1905 Consider your hand shaken! Hear, hear! WinBear > > >8. Add your reasons here. > > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > WinBear WinBear, what scale do you model in? Marty Hall > WinBear, what scale do you model in? > Marty Hall HO. To tell you the truth, I like doing the buildings and scenery, but have no interest at all in putting actual trains on 'em. Anyplace on the Net tell how to make custom windows or doors? No one makes windows or doors like the ones on the Bates Motel I am trying to model. WinBear >Anyplace on the Net tell how to make custom windows or doors? No one makes >windows or doors like the ones on the Bates Motel I am trying to model. One of MRs articles in the past year or two had a thing on building or modifying windows. Cut two pieces of styrene for the sides (can be too long), and two pieces for the cross pieces. This will form the basic box. Add any other pieces for double-hung windows. Trim the long sides of the windows when dry. Add outer trim to the window so the hole for the window doesn't have to be exact size. Another article from years ago on building the Sheridan Elms North Shore Line station showed a way to do fine work for mullions. Put a spacer between two razor blades, then put a 4-40 nut & bolt through the hole and along the edge if there's a notch in the blade for it. Cover the back of the window material with masking tape. Mark out the location of the mullions. A single line will do fine because you have two razor blades put together. Now cut out your mullions with a straight-edge, carefully cutting only through the tape. Remove the tape and apply paint. When the paint dries, remove the masking. Voila! Even-width mullions. Out of political discussions, useful tips. We get back around to trains eventually. Jay CNS&M North Shore Line - "First and fastest" |
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