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someone@somewhere_over_the_rain.bo - 06 Mar 2004 06:04 GMT
I'm in the process of cataloging my dad's Lionel collection.  He
didn't keep train sets together (at least, not the ones he acquired at
garage sales or flea markets - the newer ones like the Bicentennial
Lionel are still in their original boxes, though), and when we go to
sell off his collection we hope to be able to sell full/complete sets.

My question is this:  Does anyone know of a database that has all of
the engines listed with the cars they came with (as sets), or will I
have to thumb through all his Lionel catalogs and enter all this data
into a spreadsheet or database on my own?

Also, does anyone know of a definitive source for identifying cars
from different eras?  I understand that Lionel would change certain
characteristics on the various cars depending upon which year it was
made.  (e.g. the design of the trucks on a 6465 Sunoco Tank car  would
be different from one year to the next).

Oh... regarding the database, I would prefer a photo database that had
photos showing the minor differences among the cars with the same
numbers.

Thanks for your help!
Bill - 06 Mar 2004 07:27 GMT
someone wrote:
I'm in the process of cataloging my dad's Lionel collection. He didn't
keep train sets together (at least, not the ones he acquired at garage
sales or flea markets - the newer ones like the Bicentennial Lionel are
still in their original boxes, though), and when we go to sell off his
collection we hope to be able to sell full/complete sets.
-----------------------------------------------
You can find a wealth of info at "Lionel Postwar Trains Library":

http://www.postwarlionel.com/index.html

Here are some books that might assist you:

'Greenberg's Guide to Lionel Trains 1945-1969: Catalogued Sets":

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0897784499/ref=pd_sim_books_2/104-3235549
-0885547?v=glance&s=books/billsrailroaempi/


"Greenberg's Guide to Lionel Trains 1945-1969: Motive Power and Rolling
Stock":

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0897784499/qid=1078556422/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1
_2/104-3235549-0885547?v=glance&s=books/billsrailroaempi/


"Greenberg's Guide to Lionel Trains 1945-1969: Selected Variations":

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0897783611/qid=1078556422/sr=1-7/ref=sr_1
_7/104-3235549-0885547?v=glance&s=books/billsrailroaempi/


"Greenberg's Lionel Pocket Price Guide, 2004 Edition":

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0897785258/qid%3D1065675997/sr%3D1-17/bil
lsrailroaempi/104-3235549-0885547


You might want to look at Bangzoom's Train Tracker 5.0 Software. This
inventory system includes color photos and descriptions:

http://www.Bangzoom.com

Bill
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TRAINMAN9 - 06 Mar 2004 12:53 GMT
>someone wrote:
>I'm in the process of cataloging my dad's Lionel collection. He didn't
>keep train sets together (at least, not the ones he acqu

You might also check out two cd-roms created by TM Books & Videos.

www.prairiemm.com or do a google search for TM Books.  They have one on modern
era 1970-97 and postwar 1945-69. They have a search feature and also include
variations on rolling stock. Unfortunately they never completed the series with
the two planned pre-war versions.
someone@somewhere_over_the_rain.bo - 07 Mar 2004 02:42 GMT
Thank you both so very much for the information.  I've already placed
a couple of orders and will anxiously await their arrival.

Meantime, the Lionel Postwar Trains Library URL is coming in very
handy!

Now... one other question, if I may ask...

What's the best method to use when we're ready to sell the trains?
Since we're not really familiar with what's considered "excellent",
"good", etc. condition, should we contact someone who buys trains and
sell the whole lot at once (I would imagine that doing it this way
would bring us less money but would avoid a lot of headaches), or
should we try to sell them via the newspaper, eBay, or some other
place?

>>someone wrote:
>>I'm in the process of cataloging my dad's Lionel collection. He didn't
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>variations on rolling stock. Unfortunately they never completed the series with
>the two planned pre-war versions.
SAIL LOCO - 07 Mar 2004 07:23 GMT
New or Mint - Brand new, unused, unmarred and all original in the original box.

Like New - Free of major blemishes, nicks or scratches and in original
condition throughout with little sign of use.

Excellent - Some minute nicks or scratches, but no dents, dings or rusty
parts...........Very Good - A few scratches, but exceptionally clean with no
dents or rusty parts.

Good - There are some scratches, and there maybe some small dents or dings and
may be dirty.

Fair - May have quite a few scratches, may be chipped, dented, rusted or in
warped condition.

Poor - Well used, may have some missing parts, usually has some usable parts
and/or require restoration.

S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"
Len - 07 Mar 2004 12:00 GMT
> Thank you both so very much for the information.  I've already placed
> a couple of orders and will anxiously await their arrival.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> should we try to sell them via the newspaper, eBay, or some other
> place?

See <http://www.traincollectors.org/standards/grading.html> for
definitions of the grading standard terms.
--
Len
Head Rust Scraper
KL&B Eastern Lines RR Museum
NEVYEN - 07 Mar 2004 13:03 GMT
>What's the best method to use when we're ready to sell the trains?
>should we contact someone who buys trains and
>sell the whole lot at once (I would imagine that doing it this way
>would bring us less money but would avoid a lot of headaches),

It depends on a few factors: how big the collection is; The condition of each
piece(see prior replys); and how much time and effort you devote to selling the
collection.
     In my opinion, I would catalog the collection and then contact one or
more of the national auction houses that do Lionel auctions. They will give you
a fair assessment of your collection, and a probable amount that it will bring.
Selling via the newspaper or Ebay is risky, as you will likely not get as much
for the items.
     I hope that other people will chime in with their opinions, and good luck
selling!
SAIL LOCO - 07 Mar 2004 18:05 GMT
<><<Selling via the newspaper or Ebay is risky, as you will likely not get as
much
for the items. >>>>.

  The newspaper will bring the local dealer vultures to your house ready to
give you half or less of what the collection is worth at retail prices.
  As far as ebay goes I think your way off base.  Today morons are the buyers
on ebay.  They bid stuff up to what you could walk into a store and buy the
item for.  You could put dog poop from your yard on ebay and people would bid
on it.
S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster"
"No shirt, no skirt, full service"
Keith Norgrove - 07 Mar 2004 20:24 GMT
>   As far as ebay goes I think your way off base.  Today morons are the buyers
>on ebay.  They bid stuff up to what you could walk into a store and buy the
>item for.  You could put dog poop from your yard on ebay and people would bid
>on it.

If ytou have the right things to sell ebay will come up with the
buyers, have a look at
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3174435898&category=736>

Keith
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Geezer - 07 Mar 2004 22:45 GMT
An executor trying to liquidate an estate collection should not be misled
into expecting retail prices for the entire lot.  To get retail without
resorting to ebay, one would have to go to several train shows, with the
associated auto costs, motels and meals, fees for tables, lost weekends,
etc. etc. in order to sell all of the good and not so good pieces at retail.
A private collector who buys a complete collection in effect performs that
service for the seller, and should be entitled to an appropriate discount
from retail.  A bricks and mortar dealer who buys an entire collection is
justified in paying wholesale for the collection to cover the costs of his
operation and the risks of not being able to move all the items in a
reasonable time period.  Gary Q

>    The newspaper will bring the local dealer vultures to your house ready to
> give you half or less of what the collection is worth at retail prices.
 
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