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Model Forum / General / Railroads / June 2004Must be summer...
I've noticed the board slowing down lately. Must be (northern hemisphere) summer. I've been rained in for most of the last three weeks, when I haven't been working my tail into the ground (finally!) between data entry and a home remodeling job (someone else's). Jay The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle and rats. On 5/30/04 10:48 PM, in article 20040530234844.15979.00000210@mb-m16.aol.com, "JCunington" <jcunington@aol.comjkelm> wrote: > The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle and > rats. An I thought that the Starling was proof of the birds/rats thing!  SignatureBrian Ehni Hey, I don't call pigeons 'feathered rats' because it's cute.. _______________________________________________________ This email scanned by Norton AntiVirus Drew Bunn Ainsley Specialized Transport Toronto, Ontario Canada bunn_a@hotmail.com > On 5/30/04 10:48 PM, in article > 20040530234844.15979.00000210@mb-m16.aol.com, "JCunington" [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > > An I thought that the Starling was proof of the birds/rats thing! >Hey, I don't call pigeons 'feathered rats' because it's cute.. We've got peregrine falcons in downtown to take care of that particular problem. Keeps them under control. Jay The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle and rats. >An I thought that the Starling was proof of the birds/rats thing! Starlings don't graze in the parks and sh*t indiscriminately, at least to the point where you have to watch where you step. I can't honestly say the goose has been cross-bred with rats, but they sure breed like them. I'd like to hunt them, but the Migratory Bird Act protects them, even though they're year-round residents in these parts now. We need some predators in our parks. The owls won't deal with them, at least the adults. Jay The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle and rats. > We need some predators in our parks. The owls > won't deal with them, at least the adults. Time to start breeding really big feral cats. SignatureSteve Caple Or really big birds of prey.... Signature+GF+ www.internationalrailfair.com www.ete.org >>An I thought that the Starling was proof of the birds/rats thing! > >Starlings don't graze in the parks and sh*t indiscriminately, at least to the >point where you have to watch where you step. Come visit our downtown, my friend, and prepare to revise your position... Don't bother to reply via email...I've been JoeJobbed. >Come visit our downtown, my friend, and prepare to revise your >position... Milwaukee County has had football, baseball, and soccer games called on account of poop. They've tried cleaning the fields, but the damned birds move right back in behind the vacuum. Worse than cattle. At least them you can kill for food. Jay The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle and rats. Yeah Jay don't shoot those government birds. I had a run in with some Federal beavers up in Kansas who were destroying my property. When I told the Federal Water shed guys to keep their beavers away from our equipment or we would terminate the varmints they basically told us that we would be terminated if we so much as touched a beaver. Bruce > >An I thought that the Starling was proof of the birds/rats thing! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle and > rats. > they basically told us that we would be > terminated if we so much as touched a beaver Well, at least they didn't threaten to call it a sex crime! SignatureSteve Caple > Yeah Jay don't shoot those government birds. I had a run in with some > Federal beavers up in Kansas who were destroying my property. When I told > the Federal Water shed guys to keep their beavers away from our equipment or > we would terminate the varmints they basically told us that we would be > terminated if we so much as touched a beaver. Bruce Dam CERTIFIED MAIL Mr. Ryan DeVries 2088 Dagget Pierson. MI 49339 SUBJECT: deq File No. 97-59-0023-1 T11N, R10W, Sec. 20, Montcalm County It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity: Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files show that no permits have been issued. Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301,. Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially, failed during a recent rain event, causing debris and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all unauthorized activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the strewn channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 1998. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request, or any further unauthorized activity on the site, may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter. Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions. Sincerely, David L. Price District Representative Land and Water Management Division ----Reply Letter---- Dear Mr. Price: Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20; Montcalm County Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response. First of all, Mr. Ryan DeVries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan - I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, nor authorize their dam project, I think they would be highly offended you call their skillful use of natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge you to attempt to emulate their dam project any dam time and/or any dam place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no dam way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic. As to your dam request the beavers first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity, my first dam question to you is: are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or do you require all dam beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, please send me completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated. My first concern is - aren't the dam beavers entitled to dam legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said dam representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing dam flooding is proof we should leave the dam Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling their dam names. If you want the dam stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition - contact the dam beavers - but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any dam attention to your dam letter-being unable to read English) - be sure you read them their dam Miranda rights first. As for me, I am not going to cause more dam flooding or dam debris jams by interfering with these dam builders. If you want to hurt these dam beavers - be aware I am sending a copy of your dam letter and this response to PETA. If your dam Department seriously finds all dams of this nature inherently hazardous and truly will not permit their existence in this dam State - I seriously hope you are not selectively enforcing this dam policy - or once again both I and the Spring Pond Beavers will scream prejudice! In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their dam unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I to live and enjoy Spring Pond. So, as far as I and the beavers are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more dam elevated enforcement action now. Why wait until 1/31/98? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and there will be no dam way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem; bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the dam beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office. Sincerely, Stephen L.Tvedten, xc: PETA Signature_______________________________________________________ This email scanned by Norton AntiVirus Drew Bunn Ainsley Specialized Transport Toronto, Ontario Canada bunn_a@hotmail.com Thanks Drew. Interesting. In my situation we had to run pipe across a creek and up the side of some cliffs to pump oil to a tank battery from our wells below. The battery had to be located up there because that was the only place trucks could get to the tanks for pick up. The creek ran at the base of this cliff to a small lake (Federal Watershed Area) that had been created by a pack of very industrious dam beavers. The beavers apparently liked the orange flexible pipe we had and at night would saw the lines to pieces. They also made off with some steel tubing and PVC and had attempted to drag off some cable. All sorts of stuff was sticking out the their damn dam, not just our material. A guy who lived near by said that the beavers had taken to dragging off stuff for several years and had become quite a nuisance. Once we were finished and had some cash coming in we built a permanent line that the beavers were unable to dismantle. Not one beaver was harmed. Many moons later after the wells had declined to a dribble and oil prices dropped we plugged abandoned the field. The beavers were as busy as ever and some bits of orange pipe could still be seen in the dam. I wouldn't be surprised if the beavers and my pipe are still there. Bruce > > Yeah Jay don't shoot those government birds. I had a run in with some > > Federal beavers up in Kansas who were destroying my property. When I told [quoted text clipped - 123 lines] > > Stephen L.Tvedten, xc: PETA >Yeah Jay don't shoot those government birds. Can't. They're in city parks. I'd like to see somebody garrote a few dozen for starters though. Jay The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle and rats. << I'd like to hunt them, but the Migratory Bird Act protects them, even though they're year-round residents in these parts now. >> We shoot them by the tens of thousands here every year. I get my share too. About the only predator that will take on an adult giant Canada goose is a bald eagle, or maybe a coyote on land. Kent in SD > We shoot them by the tens of thousands here every year. I get my share >too. Please tell the Wisconsin DNR. We need to open on those critters with all barrels. They've have shat up our parks to no end. Jay The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. On my way to square dancing last Sunday, driving through Lincoln Park I almost hit two or three of 'em! Don -- don.dellmann@prodigy.net http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann moderator: WisModelersAid@yahoogroups.com moderator: MRPics@yahoogroups.com moderator: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com co-moderator: SCENERY@Yahoogroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO > > We shoot them by the tens of thousands here every year. I get my share > >too. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. > from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. > On my way to square dancing last Sunday, driving through Lincoln Park I > almost hit two or three of 'em! > > Don So what you're saying is that you've failed, and they're still crapping all over the park? Signature__________________________________________________________________ This email scanned by Norton AntiVirus Drew Bunn Ainsley Specialized Transport Toronto, Ontario Canada ______ Never eat a philosophy you find in the woods bunn_a@hotmail.com >On my way to square dancing last Sunday, driving through Lincoln Park I >almost hit two or three of 'em! Whatsa matter? Slow reflexes? They don't move _that_ fast. <G> Jay The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. > >On my way to square dancing last Sunday, driving through Lincoln Park I > >almost hit two or three of 'em! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. > from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. You've seen my car. You KNOW it would come out on the worst end of the exhange! Don -- don.dellmann@prodigy.net http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann moderator: WisModelersAid@yahoogroups.com moderator: MRPics@yahoogroups.com moderator: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com co-moderator: SCENERY@Yahoogroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO >You've seen my car. You KNOW it would come out on the worst end of the >exhange! > >Don You're right (damned plastic!). Try Illinois 173 east of Richmond by the shooting club. Maybe you can get a pheasant. Their heads are right about bumper height. Saw a pheasant buy it there once. It was a clean kill (bumper to the head and no wheels). I just wish I had a knife on me at the time. Jay Clean-roadkill, WI (IL?) Trains are a winter sport. S/V Express 30 "Ringmaster" "No shirt, no skirt, full service" >I've noticed the board slowing down lately. Must be (northern hemisphere) >summer. I've been rained in for most of the last three weeks, when I haven't >been working my tail into the ground (finally!) between data entry and a home >remodeling job (someone else's). Last night was the coldest June night for 100+ years and we still have July, August & part of September to go for winter. I had to repair my gravel driveway after rain damage and the southern fence blew down after a storm. Tonight is cold as well. I should really put the caravan on the back of the Patrol and go north for a while but unfortunately have too many urgent jobs to do like prepare 16 tractors for my son to sell and repair the fence. Global warming ????? probably just natural variations in temperature as has occurred over the centuries but used to support loonies political agendas. If the loonies put <their> money in to pay for their schemes and not <mine>, maybe I could believe them. Alan in beautiful Golden Bay, Western Oz, South 32.25.42, East 115.45.44 GMT+8 VK6 YAB ICQ 6581610 to reply, change oz to au in address > Last night was the coldest June night for 100+ years and we still >have July, August & part of September to go for winter. So what's "cold" in Australia? I know the north is tropical or sub-tropical. But what's cold in your parts? Milwaukee's record is -26 F, or -32 c. Jay The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle and rats. > But what's cold in your parts? Is that question like "what's worn under your kilt?" SignatureSteve Caple Nothing's worn, it's all in perfect working order. >> Last night was the coldest June night for 100+ years and we still >>have July, August & part of September to go for winter. > >So what's "cold" in Australia? I know the north is tropical or sub-tropical. >But what's cold in your parts? Milwaukee's record is -26 F, or -32 c. Depends on what you are used to. I like it warm to hot. 25C or 78F is barely warm, 30C/86F is comfortable, 35C/95F is on the hot side of comfortable, 40C/104F is hot, 45C/113F is very hot, 48C/118F is bloody hot. Cold, here by the ocean, is 1.2C/34F, it goes lower inland, was -3C. In the Bay, we occasionally get ice on car windshields and it snows in the Porongorups about every 3 years. The eastern states get snow in the Australian Alps every year and ski resorts are busy there. Not for me, I would rather go north and get warm. Alan in beautiful Golden Bay, Western Oz, South 32.25.42, East 115.45.44 GMT+8 VK6 YAB ICQ 6581610 to reply, change oz to au in address > Cold, here by the ocean, is 1.2C/34F, it goes lower inland, was >-3C. Sounds like my idea of a Kentucky winter (outside of the mountains, that is). Jay The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle and rats. > Jay > The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle and > rats. Are those geese still 'protected' south of the 49th parallel? Or can you shoot a bunch of them for us canucks? __________________________________________________________________ This email scanned by Norton AntiVirus Drew Bunn Ainsley Specialized Transport Toronto, Ontario Canada bunn_a@hotmail.com >> Jay >> The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >Are those geese still 'protected' south of the 49th parallel? Or can you >shoot a bunch of them for us canucks? We have a goose killing season here in Georgia now, and on Federal land no less. They are no longer Canadian Geese, but rather Georgia Geese as they have chosen to never leave our fair clime. Typical Damn Yankees! The things are a nuisance here because they are established in very large numbers at any place that has so much as a mudhole within a mile or 1.6 kilometre radius. They even eat my grass and s * * t all over my yard, driveway and deck. I put out a considerable quantity of "goose-away" but the bastards just laughed it off and kept right on s * * tting all over everything. They muck-up the water, they crap all over the lawns, picnic areas and tables at parks and have become so maddeningly bold as to steal food off the picnic tables. They will chase small children away from play areas even to the point of biting them if they don't get away quick enough. Several small automobiles in the area have been seriously damaged by the damn things running out into the roadway in the face of oncoming traffic. A Honda Civic does not do well against a 25 pound goose at 50MPH. It almost always ruins the radiator. Oh yes, it kills the goose, but that is small compensation. To make matters even worse, they are not all that good to eat. Dry and slightly tough, goose takes a great deal of work to prepare such that it is a delicacy. The liver, however, is delicious when sautéed in butter and pureed with onion and garlic. I do not know if geese are protected or not. We have many really stupid laws here, mainly as a result of incredibly stupid people with not enough to do. For example: it is perfectly all right to shoot a deer, a squirrel, a rabbit or a pig, cut it up into pieces and devour it. It is quite illegal to do the same to a dog or a cat and, in fact, is considered "cruelty to animals". Stupid. Captain Handbrake >They even eat my grass and s * * t all over my yard, driveway and deck. I put >out a considerable quantity of "goose-away" but the bastards just laughed it off > and kept right on s * * tting all over everything. > They muck-up the water, they crap all over the lawns, picnic areas and tables >at parks and have become so maddeningly bold as to steal food off the picnic >tables. > They will chase small children away from play areas even to the point of biting >them if they don't get away quick enough. They do all that stuff around here too. Try hanging out in one of Toronto's "nice" city parks - ha! > I do not know if geese are protected or not. > Captain Handbrake They are up here in The Great White North. At one time back in the 70's, they were placed on the 'list' due to over-hunting. Now they're out of control. You can thank the city for that because all our parks are seeded with Kentucky Blue - they're favorite food no less. __________________________________________________________________ This email scanned by Norton AntiVirus Drew Bunn Ainsley Specialized Transport Toronto, Ontario Canada bunn_a@hotmail.com >Are those geese still 'protected' south of the 49th parallel? Or can you >shoot a bunch of them for us canucks? Let's have your gov't talk to my gov't and see if we can't work something out. Mine still needs to be convinced that these things are year-round residents and not migratory. Perhaps we need a summer season when the Canadian Canada geese aren't flying over. Strange, our state gov't. The Dept. of Natural Resources (DNR - aka Dept of Nazi Rangers) will let hunters shoot mourning doves but not pests. We could feed the poor for months with what we have in our parks. Jay The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle and rats. > Strange, our state gov't. The Dept. of Natural Resources (DNR - aka Dept of > Nazi Rangers) will let hunters shoot mourning doves but not pests. We could > feed the poor for months with what we have in our parks. Only months? Either you do have an obesity problem in the country, or I'll gladly ship you more Canada Rats - clearly you don't have enough. We have so many, if the gov't allowed us to start hunting them again, The Daily Bread Food Bank would go out of business.. ha. __________________________________________________________________ This email scanned by Norton AntiVirus Drew Bunn Ainsley Specialized Transport Toronto, Ontario Canada bunn_a@hotmail.com >> Last night was the coldest June night for 100+ years and we still >> have July, August & part of September to go for winter. > > So what's "cold" in Australia? I know the north is tropical or > sub-tropical. But what's cold in your parts? Milwaukee's record is > -26 F, or -32 c. It was -1c here the other morning, which is not cold by your standards, but many Australians persist with the fiction that we have a temperate climate, and refuse to dress for the weather. I often see young blokes on their way home after a night on the piss, wearing only thin cotton shirts and thongs, but complaining bitterly of how cold they are. > >> Last night was the coldest June night for 100+ years and we still > >> have July, August & part of September to go for winter. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > on their way home after a night on the piss, wearing only thin cotton > shirts and thongs, but complaining bitterly of how cold they are. Maybe we should pack up some of our Green Bay Packers Parkas and send them down as care packages. Don -- don.dellmann@prodigy.net http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann moderator: WisModelersAid@yahoogroups.com moderator: MRPics@yahoogroups.com moderator: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com co-moderator: SCENERY@Yahoogroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO > Maybe we should pack up some of our Green Bay Packers Parkas and send > them down as care packages. A waste of time. These are people who are too dimwitted to come in out of the rain - or carry umbrellas. >It was -1c here the other morning, which is not cold by your standards, >but many Australians persist with the fiction that we have a temperate >climate, and refuse to dress for the weather Kids do that here, too. It's apparently the height of uncool to be caught wearing a jacket. I've seen people in coastal Alaska do that, but they spend most of the year in the 40-65F range. Jay The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle and rats. >> It was -1c here the other morning, which is not cold by your >> standards, but many Australians persist with the fiction that we >> have a temperate climate, and refuse to dress for the weather > Kids do that here, too. It's apparently the height of uncool to be > caught wearing a jacket. But it's apparently very cool to catch pneumonia... The sad thing is, Jay, it's not just kids you see doing it. >But it's apparently very cool to catch pneumonia... The sad thing is, >Jay, it's not just kids you see doing it. So I guess that old saw about wisdom coming with age ain't necessarily true any more...like common sense not being so common. Jay The Canada Goose is living proof that birds have cross-bred with cattle and rats. |
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