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Model Forum / General / Railroads / June 2004Quickee Question about wire gauge
Hi.... HO Scale, 4 x8 layout, possibly cab control..not sure. 20 ga. too small? `8 OK? Thanks!!! Mike > Hi.... HO Scale, 4 x8 layout, possibly cab control..not sure. > 20 ga. too small? `8 OK? > > Thanks!!! > Mike For track power I like to run 14 ga. 16 or 18 would probably be OK. For switch machines, depending on the type, 12 to 16 (snap action machines need heavier wire than motor types.) Scenic lighting etc, 18's probably fine. The only problem with too large a wire is cost and ease of use. Using too SMALL a wire however WILL cause voltage drops and reulting poor operation. Don -- don.dellmann@prodigy.net http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann moderator: WisModelersAid@yahoogroups.com moderator: MRPics@yahoogroups.com moderator: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com co-moderator: SCENERY@Yahoogroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO Adding comment to Don's reply, typical wiring to avoid voltage drops is to run the larger gauge bus wires below the layout, then smaller wires, 18-22 gauge, up to the track. Keeping the small wire runs below 6" helps minimize voltage drops. Jay The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. > The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. > from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. Amen!  SignatureSteve Caple When a man tells you he made his money through hard work, ask him "Whose?" - Don Marquis (Archy and Mehitabel author) >> The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. >> from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. > >Amen! I came up with that after hearing around 1994-1996 that the average US Senator needs to raise an average of $10,000 per day to get re-elected, and the hearing the title of the book "Parliament of Whores". I asked a Greek guy I worked with what's a Greek word for somebody who does favors for money? He said "poni'a" - usually translated prostitute, although in Greek it has no sexual connotation. It is the root of "pornography", literally "prostitute writing" to use the not-quite-accurate translation. Jay The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. Jay I'm afraid the "Greek guy" at work has misled you. The ancient Greeks used the word "pornae" to refer to the lowest class of prostitutes. They tended to establish rankings in most things and this was no exception. FWIW the highest class was the "hererae" usually translated as "companions". Pornae is derived fom the verb "porneuo" meaning to commit adultery. You can find more details with a google search. Hope I've been of some aid. Jerry > >> The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. > >> from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. > from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. >I'm afraid the "Greek guy" at work has misled you. The ancient Greeks >used the word "pornae" to refer to the lowest class of prostitutes. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >I've been of some aid. >Jerry I think he was talking about modern Greek. Words do change meaning over hundreds of years. For instance, in one of Shakespeare's play one of the characters make a remark about a carpet-monger. Sounds like a rug seller, right? Wrong. In Bill's time it meant sycophant or brown-noser, according to the glossary in the back of the book. And that's in just 400 years it's made that change. Jay The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. "pornae" is as good a definition of the average congressman as I've ever heard. Don -- don.dellmann@prodigy.net http://www.geocities.com/don_dellmann moderator: WisModelersAid@yahoogroups.com moderator: MRPics@yahoogroups.com moderator: vintageHO@yahoogroups.com co-moderator: SCENERY@Yahoogroups.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MRPics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vintageHO > Jay > I'm afraid the "Greek guy" at work has misled you. The ancient Greeks [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. > > from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. >Jay >I'm afraid the "Greek guy" at work has misled you. The ancient Greeks >used the word "pornae" to refer to the lowest class of prostitutes. Hmmn, sounds as though Jay was spot-on with his description of our national legislature. >They tended to establish rankings in most things and this was no >exception. FWIW the highest class was the "hererae" usually translated >as "companions". Pornae is derived fom the verb "porneuo" meaning to >commit adultery. Yup, that's our Congress. >You can find more details with a google search. Hope >I've been of some aid. >Jerry And we have divided our legislature in two: the Senile, or upper house and the lower is known as the House of Rephrehensibles. The terms have applied through generations of majority changes, i.e., regardless of which of the two has a majority. Where /is/ Will Rogers, now that we need him? Richard Albuquerque Isn't this just a little bit silly? > >> The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. > >> from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. > from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. You got that right, the truth can be very silly at times. SignatureWill N Scale - Credit Valley Railway www.muskokacomputes.com/CVR_Home.htm > Isn't this just a little bit silly? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. > > from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. Yes. That we allow taxation with misrepresentation by a pornocracy is silly but not funny. But then we have all be indoctrinated for ages to be submissive to authority, embrace conformity, promote the status quo, applaud mediocrity, take comfort in security and to live in the warm embrace of dependence. We love the pornocracy because they run things for us, protect us and take care of us. Until we are willing to accept the hash blows of circumstance along with its glorious gifts, to hold ourselves accountable for failure as well as our success, to think freely and stand up to the heat of our thoughts and demand independence regardless of consequence the pornocrats remain. The vast majority will always prefer cold comfort to pain so nothing will change. Over time with an immense and growing yet subtle strength the pornocracy has emerged victorious over the American people and has become our master, our ruler and our sheppard. And we worry about the rest of the world so much when the real enemy as already defeated us with only hollow rhetoric and a pen. > Isn't this just a little bit silly? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > The American government is not a republican democracy, it's a pornocracy. > > from Greek, porni'a - a person who does favors for money + krakia - rule. > ...And we worry about the rest of the world so much >when the real enemy as already defeated us with only hollow rhetoric and a >pen. Come on, guys. It's getting a little serious. It's a tongue-in-cheek tag line. Jay Americans have the best legislature money can buy. Unfortunately it's corporate money. >Isn't this just a little bit silly? As Mark Twain says in my tag line.... "What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist " -Salman Rushdie "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." -Martin Luther King "A gentleman is a man who can disagree without being disagreeable." Anon "Revolution in Politics is an abrupt change in the form of misgovernment." Ambrose Bierce "I don't make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts" - Mark Twain |
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