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Proto to release Wabash 2-10-2

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Steve Magee - 15 Jun 2004 02:41 GMT
Details at :

http://home.t-online.de/home/all-american-trains/

Odd choice, thought a USRA 2-10-2 was the pea for this choice. Or are they
the same thing?

Steve
(Wabash-challeged)
Newcastle NSW Aust
Steve Magee - 15 Jun 2004 02:43 GMT
> Details at :
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> (Wabash-challeged)
> Newcastle NSW Aust

Oh yes, plus some powered boxcars... Seek and ye shall find, incl an RS-27

Steve
Mark Newton - 15 Jun 2004 05:10 GMT
> Details at :
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> http://home.t-online.de/home/all-american-trains/
>
> Odd choice, thought a USRA 2-10-2 was the pea for this choice. Or are
> they the same thing?

No, they're not. But it's still a good choice, as many were sold to
other roads, including the Chessie, Missouri Pacific, and - hooray! -
the Chicago & Illinois Midland. So while it's a prototype specific to a
particular road, it may be correctly lettered for others, like the
previous AMC Berkshires.
Mark Newton - 18 Jun 2004 21:36 GMT
Steve Magee wrote:

>> Details at :
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> to a particular road, it may be correctly lettered for others, like
> the previous AMC Berkshires.

I learned today that the Kansas City Southern also bought Wabash
2-10-2s, so there's another interesting choice.

Incidentally, the photo used on this website to illustrate these engines
in C&O livery is actually of an ex-Lehigh Valley loco acquired through
the Chessie/Hocking Valley merger.
Mark Newton - 26 Jun 2004 04:13 GMT
> Details at :
>
> http://home.t-online.de/home/all-american-trains/
>
> Odd choice, thought a USRA 2-10-2 was the pea for this choice. Or are
>  they the same thing?

No, they're not. But it's still a good choice, as many were sold to
other roads, including the Chessie, Missouri Pacific, and - hooray! -
the Chicago & Illinois Midland. So while it's a prototype specific to a
particular road, it may be correctly lettered for others, like the
previous AMC Berkshires.

But now I see that MR are claiming that the LifeLike 2-10-2s will be
models of the USRA heavy type. I wonder who is correct?
Charles emerson - 27 Jun 2004 03:03 GMT
I had a look on All American Trains website and the pictures posted
there are of a C&O B-1 which I think was from Chicago and Eastern
Illinois and a Wabash loco. It's still a strange choice as I would
have thought a USRA light/ heavy 2-10-2, PRR N-2? class, would have
been a better choice. But then who knows there thinking after the
"USRA" 2-8-4. I got one of the new run locos and they have improved
the wheels and motion but the counter weights are still way under
size.

regards
Charles Emerson,
Bellbird, NSW, Australia

>  > Details at :
>  >
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> But now I see that MR are claiming that the LifeLike 2-10-2s will be
> models of the USRA heavy type. I wonder who is correct?
Fritz Milhaupt - 27 Jun 2004 05:54 GMT
> I had a look on All American Trains website and the pictures posted
> there are of a C&O B-1 which I think was from Chicago and Eastern
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> the wheels and motion but the counter weights are still way under
> size.

The photo on the All American Trains web site is incorrect for the
version owned by the C&O, Wabash and C&EI. If they're going to make an
accurate
model that covers the C&O, the C&EI and the Wabash, it would have to
be the comparatively clean-lined C&O Class B-2 and B-3, which didn't
have the "twin kettle" sand domes and Wooten firebox of the B-1.

The C&O B-1 class 2-10-2 shown on the AAT site is an ex-Lehigh Valley
locomotive which came to the C&O by way of the Hocking Valley. The Pere
Marquette and the LS&I also got these ex-LV locomotives from the HV.

Word on the C&O list is that Life-Like has canceled this project. We'll
see.

-fm
Webmaster of the Pere Marquette Historical Society, at
http://www.pmhistsoc.org

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foil address-harvesters. See my web sites for my real address.
Mark Newton - 27 Jun 2004 12:59 GMT
Charles Emerson wrote:

> I had a look on All American Trains website and the pictures posted
> there are of a C&O B-1 which I think was from Chicago and Eastern
> Illinois and a Wabash loco. It's still a strange choice as I would
> have thought a USRA light/ heavy 2-10-2, PRR N-2? class, would have
> been a better choice.

Either USRA design would have been a better, I think, as many roads had
originals or copies. The Pennsy version I'm not so sure about, as they
were rebuilt with typical PRR features, losing much of their attractive
USRA look in the process.

> But then who knows there thinking after the "USRA" 2-8-4. I got one
> of the new run locos and they have improved the wheels and motion but
> the counter weights are still way under size.

Yes, I bought one numbered 740 from the second run about a fortnight
ago. LL appear to have simply painted the balance weights and wheel
centres; as you say they lack adequate relief. I'm thinking of having
some etched overlays done to improve their appearance.
 
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