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Model Forum / General / Railroads / July 2004Mountain Biker Hits UP Train
A guy riding a mountain bike tried to beat a train and got hit, Where? Where else, Salem Oregan. The article is free to read no registration http://www.katu.com/salem/story.asp?ID=69261 Bruce Thats four in two weeks. I used to work in Salem. (Twelve years). Crossed that line, walking, twice a day from where we parked the car pool to the offices twice a day. Given the routing of the former SP mainline between Portland - Salem - Eugene- Oakridge - Klamath Falls - etc; etc; on down to Roseville and Oakland I am not surprised about the frequency of trains or the dead / injured pedestrians. In a number of ways UP is now paying for the SP's former influence in the Oregon (and other states) legislature. Lots of blame and responsibility to go around.  SignatureJim McLaughlin Please don't just hit the reply key. Remove the obvious from the address to reply. *************************************************************************** > A guy riding a mountain bike tried to beat a train and got hit, Where? Where > else, Salem Oregan. The article is free to read no registration > http://www.katu.com/salem/story.asp?ID=69261 > Bruce Jim, Other than the mountain biker who tried to run the train, who else can be said to have any blame or responsibility...and why? Cheers, Bill > Thats four in two weeks. > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Please don't just hit the reply key. > Remove the obvious from the address to reply. *************************************************************************** > > A guy riding a mountain bike tried to beat a train and got hit, Where? > Where > > else, Salem Oregan. The article is free to read no registration > > http://www.katu.com/salem/story.asp?ID=69261 > > Bruce Original survey routing the line where it is; at least 5 "rebuilds" of the line since about 1920, none of which separated the grades of the line and the local streets (contrast similar situation in Tucson); state legislature not acting on several opportunities since 1945 to require grade separation; failure by SP and now UP to fence both sides of the right of way to preclude "jaywalking" in mid block, fencing would force pedestrians / bikers to cross at street corners where there are some warning gates / devices. Etc., etc., etc. The rate of pedestrian strikes (bodies per year) along this stretch has long been the highest in the US. While I have my own opinions of the "street sense" of the average Salemite, its not just pedestrian stupidity. Both SP previously and UP now have for years fought against any changes to the right of way, even when the City of Salem or the State of Oregon were willing to pay for the costs. SOP historically has had amazing muscle in Salem, both at City Hall and at the State Capitol (which is 4 blocks west of the line.) The number of pedestrian strikes per year has appeared to escalate substantially since the UP takeover of SP. SignatureJim McLaughlin Please don't just hit the reply key. Remove the obvious from the address to reply. *************************************************************************** > Jim, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Please don't just hit the reply key. > > Remove the obvious from the address to reply. *************************************************************************** > > > A guy riding a mountain bike tried to beat a train and got hit, Where? > > Where > > > else, Salem Oregan. The article is free to read no registration > > > http://www.katu.com/salem/story.asp?ID=69261 > > > Bruce People who cross train tracks in front of oncoming trains don't get any sympathy from me. Where's the PERSONAL responsibilty for one's own stupid behavior? Might as well fence off all major roads highways to keep pedestrians from taking shortcuts too. God forbid we think the average Joe or Jane should ever assume personal responsibility. Cheers, Bill > Original survey routing the line where it is; at least 5 "rebuilds" of the > line since about 1920, none of which separated the grades of the line and [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Please don't just hit the reply key. > Remove the obvious from the address to reply. *************************************************************************** > > Jim, > > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > Please don't just hit the reply key. > > > Remove the obvious from the address to reply. *************************************************************************** > > > > A guy riding a mountain bike tried to beat a train and got hit, Where? > > > Where > > > > else, Salem Oregan. The article is free to read no registration > > > > http://www.katu.com/salem/story.asp?ID=69261 > > > > Bruce Glad to see that even though you have ZERO knowledge of the actual physical layout of the line through Salem, your lack of any empirical knowledge won't deter you in the slightest from displaying and demonstrating both your ignorance and your ideological blindness. It would have cost SP in the past years and UP in the past month less to fence then the RR will spend defending the lawsuits. Instead, the rr continues its foolishness, and guarantees more costs for it down the road. Intelligent management would have dealt with the fencing issue years ago, so as to stop the RR's bleeding from lawsuit defense costs. -- Jim McLaughlin Please don't just hit the reply key. Remove the obvious from the address to reply. *************************************************************************** > People who cross train tracks in front of oncoming trains > don't get any sympathy from me. Where's the PERSONAL [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > Please don't just hit the reply key. > > Remove the obvious from the address to reply. *************************************************************************** > > > Jim, > > > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > > > Please don't just hit the reply key. > > > > Remove the obvious from the address to reply. *************************************************************************** > > > > > A guy riding a mountain bike tried to beat a train and got hit, > Where? > > > > Where > > > > > else, Salem Oregan. The article is free to read no registration > > > > > http://www.katu.com/salem/story.asp?ID=69261 > > > > > Bruce > The rate of pedestrian strikes (bodies per year) along this stretch has >long been the highest in the US. While I have my own opinions of the >"street sense" of the average Salemite, its not just pedestrian stupidity. It must be something of the sort, because a UP line running through West Milwaukee, Milwaukee, and West Allis (out to Butler) has substantial portions running through neighborhoods, park-like areas, and small-industrial parks. To my knowledge there are almost zero fatalities along this stretch (about 3-4 miles) and fairly frequent trains. The last one I remember was 3-4 years ago when some guy knelt in front of a train, obviously "suicide by train". > The number of pedestrian strikes per year has appeared to escalate >substantially since the UP takeover of SP. Something about those big yellow locos draws them like moths to a light, eh? <G> Jay Americans have the best legislature money can buy. Unfortunately it's corporate money. Give me a f'n break. It is the bikers fault: 100%. Lawyers may have fun with the UP coverups (separate issue), but if you don't look out for the train, tough. Darwin wins another round. Ed > A guy riding a mountain bike tried to beat a train and got hit, Where? Where > else, Salem Oregan. The article is free to read no registration > http://www.katu.com/salem/story.asp?ID=69261 > Bruce SignatureEd Oates http://homepage.mac.com/edoates DCC wiring information is at http://www.wiringfordcc.com To help eliminate spam and scams, send it to FTC gov <uce@ftc.gov> (hee hee hee: Happy spam bot message) > Darwin wins another round. He didn't die. Then maybe he'll only pass on temporary benefits: he and his family will remember the incident and be more careful in the future. But it is also likely that his attorney (he is suing UP, the manufacturer of the track, the people who made the ties, the rock quarry who delivered the ballast, the horn manufacturer, and the physics professor who failed to tell him about momentum, right?) will profit and be able to afford more kids. Oh well. Ed >> Darwin wins another round. > > He didn't die. SignatureEd Oates http://homepage.mac.com/edoates DCC wiring information is at http://www.wiringfordcc.com To help eliminate spam and scams, send it to FTC gov <uce@ftc.gov> (hee hee hee: Happy spam bot message) > he is suing UP, the manufacturer of the track, the > people who made the ties, the rock quarry who delivered the ballast, the > horn manufacturer, and the physics professor who failed to tell him about > momentum, right? It is too early to say anything on that. >> he is suing UP, the manufacturer of the track, the >> people who made the ties, the rock quarry who delivered the ballast, the >> horn manufacturer, and the physics professor who failed to tell him about >> momentum, right? > >It is too early to say anything on that. No, but see http://stellaawards.com/ for some examples of what people will feel entitled to... Don't bother to reply via email...I've been JoeJobbed. On 7/18/04 12:57 PM, in article BD200817.2BC9%nowayedoates@unearthlylink.net, "Edward A. Oates" <nowayedoates@unearthlylink.net> wrote: > Then maybe he'll only pass on temporary benefits: he and his family will > remember the incident and be more careful in the future. But it is also [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >> He didn't die. Ah, I see. Only an honorable mention, then. SignatureBrian Ehni >> Darwin wins another round. > >He didn't die. Honorable mention then. Jay Americans have the best legislature money can buy. Unfortunately it's corporate money. On 7/18/04 12:48 PM, in article bJyKc.29306$6t1.22957@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com, >> Darwin wins another round. > > He didn't die. He didn't try to cross in front of a train, either. 8^) SignatureBrian Ehni > > Darwin wins another round. > > He didn't die. Say what? Darwin died in 1882 (but not, AFAIK, from being hit by a train) Note: :^). -- Kizhe (suppressing the urge to x-post to talk.origins) > > Darwin wins another round. > He didn't die. Maybe he didn't expire at the scene but what do you suppose his chance of recovery is? http://katu.com/news/images/story2004/040715train_accident3_422.jpg If there was ever a case of "Do you want to see how stupid I can be?", this was it. As a twenty-year-old, I'd have to assume this idiot was also a licensed driver. Being a parent how would you feel if his "poor judgment" while driving a car had killed your child? Jim McLaughlin can take his opinion on this one and shove it! > Maybe he didn't expire at the scene but what do you suppose his > chance of recovery is? None; he died late Sunday night. His passage may prevent litigation then. Given American legal standards, is the manufacturer of the bicycle at fault? > > Maybe he didn't expire at the scene but what do you suppose his > > chance of recovery is? > > None; he died late Sunday night. > His passage may prevent litigation then. > Given American legal standards, is the manufacturer of the bicycle at > fault? That may well be un-knowable, but if the implied question is, "can the manufacturer of the bicycle be sued?" then the answer is yes. SignatureJohn Miller Email address: domain, n4vu.com; username, jsm I don't understand the HUMOUR of the THREE STOOGES!! -Zippy the Pinhead |
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