The most likely cause in binding of the moving armature plate at the bottom
of the horn relay. This is the rectangular piece of steel about 3/4" wide
by 1" long with a copper contact strip riveted onto it. It must move up and
down very freely. Make sure the contact end of the copper strip is not
bent, and moves freely in its vertical guide slot. Make sure the pivot end
of the armature plate is not binding. There should be two very small tabs
of copper bent up on the sides on the armature plate to position it so the
plate moves freely. You may need to adjust these slightly to allow free
movement.
If you have a voltmeter, Lionel's specs for the horn relay are that it
should pick up on 1.1 v dc, and remain closed on as low as 0.5 v dc in the
presence of 10 v ac. The relay should not pick up on up to 28 v ac with no
dc present. As a simple way to test the relay, use an ordinary, not too
fresh flashlight battery - one cell should pick up the relay, and it should
drop out when the battery is removed.
While a less likely cause, the problem could be in your transformer. If the
contacts on the "whistle" switch are bent, or the return spring is weak, it
may be turning on the 1.1 v dc horn pick-up voltage, but then not turning
off the lower 0.5 v dc horn holding voltage when the "whistle" switch is
released. The best way to be sure this is not the problem is to use the
transformer on another horn or whistle equipped locomotive and see if it
operates correctly.
If the relay does not perform properly, it may need to be replaced. Parts
sources like www.georgetebolt.com have replacement whistle relays (the same
relay is used for horns). Let me know what loco model number you have and I
can tell you the correct part number. Gary Q
> I have an early 1950s era Lionel O-27 train set than I'd like to set up
> for my grandson. Whenever I sound the horn it won't turn off. Any
> ideas on how to fix it?
Len - 27 Nov 2004 01:43 GMT
> The most likely cause in binding of the moving armature plate at the bottom
> of the horn relay. This is the rectangular piece of steel about 3/4" wide
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> > for my grandson. Whenever I sound the horn it won't turn off. Any
> > ideas on how to fix it?
In addition to "Geezer's" sound advice, you may have dirt buildup
from a mix of oil and graphite from the motor brushes on the
contacts that meet when the relay energizes. This will sometimes
cause the contacts to stick together and not release when the
relay is deenergized.
The check for this also clears the problem. Take a strip of paper
around 1/2" wide by 8" long and slide it between the two
contacts. Use a popsicle stick, or something similar, to lift the
lower contact until the paper is gently caught between the two
contacts. Slide the paper through the contacts while mainting
this slight pressure on the paper. If there was a dirt build up
on the contacts, you'll see it smudge onto the paper. Repeat on a
clean area of the paper until no more grime transfers.
If the relay still sticks and you've double checked the things
"Geezer" mentioned, try running the paper between the movable
metal plate and bottom of the relay coil to clean out any
detrious that may have accumulated there.
--
Len
Head Rust Scraper
KL&B Eastern Lines RR Museum
Warren - 30 Nov 2004 22:58 GMT
> In addition to "Geezer's" sound advice, you may have dirt buildup
> from a mix of oil and graphite from the motor brushes on the
> contacts that meet when the relay energizes. This will sometimes
> cause the contacts to stick together and not release when the
> relay is deenergized.
Thanks Len and Geezer, I hope that's what it is. I'm going to tackle
it in the next day or two and see if I can get it working. Until then
my fingers are crossed. My wife tells me our grandson is going to be
mighty disappointed if we don't have a properly operating whistle.