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Paul Mccann - 27 Jun 2005 02:23 GMT
If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come over
to live and take up our jobs?

God bless you and have a good day with Him at your side.                                                                            
Roger T. - 27 Jun 2005 03:33 GMT
> If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come over
> to live and take up our jobs?

All foreigners?  Some perhaps, probably from Mexico and Asia.  A very small
minority in fact.  And they're (usually) just trying to escape crushing
poverty in their home country and, thanks to Hollywood and American T.V.,
where there's no such thing as a  poor American, see the U.S. of A as the
land of milk and honey.

You don't see thousands of people per day trying to sneak across the border
from Canada into the U.S. of A, do you?

I'm a "foreigner".  I'm even a "foreigner" in Canada, my chosen home.  I
know it's hard for you to grasp, but there are billions of people on the
Earth who don't want to live in the U.S.A. and who think their homeland is
just as great as the U.S. of A.

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Rob Kemp - 27 Jun 2005 03:50 GMT
Well said
I'm so happy I'm going back to the UK soon.
Rob

>> If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come over
>> to live and take up our jobs?
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Greg Rudd - 27 Jun 2005 03:53 GMT
>> If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come over
>> to live and take up our jobs?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> You don't see thousands of people per day trying to sneak across the
> border from Canada into the U.S. of A, do you?

I thought it was the other way where people from the US cross the border in
to Canada to get things like affordable health care.

> I'm a "foreigner".  I'm even a "foreigner" in Canada, my chosen home.  I
> know it's hard for you to grasp, but there are billions of people on the
> Earth who don't want to live in the U.S.A. and who think their homeland is
> just as great as the U.S. of A.

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Cheery Littlebottom - 28 Jun 2005 02:55 GMT
>> You don't see thousands of people per day trying to sneak across the
>> border from Canada into the U.S. of A, do you?
>
>I thought it was the other way where people from the US cross the border in
>to Canada to get things like affordable health care.

Oh, goody.  The political threads are back.

Say, Greg, how long does a Canadian have to wait for an MRI?
Steve Caple - 29 Jun 2005 17:13 GMT
> Say, Greg, how long does a Canadian have to wait for an MRI?

Gee, how long does a MallWart worker have to work to pay for a doctor to
see her sick kid?   MRI?  Forget it.

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Rashputin - 29 Jun 2005 17:11 GMT
 Shows how damn ignroant or brain-washed you are, they can get an MRI as
soon as the doctor schedules it, they have very good insurance through the
company.  I know, the wife works for them.  As for the rest of your ignorant
crap, <plonk>

>> Say, Greg, how long does a Canadian have to wait for an MRI?
>
> Gee, how long does a MallWart worker have to work to pay for a doctor to
> see her sick kid?   MRI?  Forget it.

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Steve Caple - 30 Jun 2005 18:34 GMT
> As for the rest of your ignorant crap

As ignorant as you are of Canadian health care?

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David Epling - 29 Jun 2005 21:13 GMT
My wife works for Wal-Mart, her medical insurance policy is quite good

>> Say, Greg, how long does a Canadian have to wait for an MRI?
>
> Gee, how long does a MallWart worker have to work to pay for a doctor to
> see her sick kid?   MRI?  Forget it.
Mountain Goat - 30 Jun 2005 03:50 GMT
>>> You don't see thousands of people per day trying to sneak across the
>>> border from Canada into the U.S. of A, do you?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
>Say, Greg, how long does a Canadian have to wait for an MRI?

My doctor called the hospital Thursday, I had mine the following
Wednesday, three working days, next question.

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Brian Smith - 27 Jun 2005 04:15 GMT
> I'm a "foreigner".  I'm even a "foreigner" in Canada, my chosen home.  I
> know it's hard for you to grasp, but there are billions of people on the
> Earth who don't want to live in the U.S.A. and who think their homeland is
> just as great as the U.S. of A.

Better, don't you mean?  {;^)

Brian
Roger T. - 27 Jun 2005 04:45 GMT
>> I'm a "foreigner".  I'm even a "foreigner" in Canada, my chosen home.  I
>> know it's hard for you to grasp, but there are billions of people on the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Better, don't you mean?  {;^)

Probably that as well.

We should all be proud of our homeland.

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Brian Smith - 27 Jun 2005 19:55 GMT
>> Better, don't you mean?  {;^)
>
> Probably that as well.
>
> We should all be proud of our homeland.

That is the truth! If you're not, you're obviously living in the wrong
neighbourhood  {;^0

Brian
Brian Smith - 27 Jun 2005 04:15 GMT
> I'm a "foreigner".  I'm even a "foreigner" in Canada, my chosen home.  I
> know it's hard for you to grasp, but there are billions of people on the
> Earth who don't want to live in the U.S.A. and who think their homeland is
> just as great as the U.S. of A.

Better, don't you mean?  {;^)

Brian
Greg Procter - 27 Jun 2005 05:18 GMT
> > If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come over
> > to live and take up our jobs?
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Earth who don't want to live in the U.S.A. and who think their homeland is
> just as great as the U.S. of A.

"As great as"????
I sure wouldn't leave New Zealand to live in the USa!
My brother did emigrate to the US, but escaped to Canada within a year or so.

Regards,
Greg.P.
Paul Newhouse - 27 Jun 2005 16:45 GMT
>> If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come over
>> to live and take up our jobs?

He probably intended "all the" to be read as "so many"??

> All foreigners?  Some perhaps, probably from Mexico and Asia.  A very small
> minority in fact.  And they're (usually) just trying to escape crushing
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> You don't see thousands of people per day trying to sneak across the border
> from Canada into the U.S. of A, do you?

Since when do you have to "sneak" across the Canadian/US border??

> I'm a "foreigner".  I'm even a "foreigner" in Canada, my chosen home.  I
> know it's hard for you to grasp, but there are billions of people on the
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Home of the Great Eastern Railway
> http://www.highspeedplus.com/~rogertra/

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Greg Procter - 27 Jun 2005 22:24 GMT
> >> If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come over
> >> to live and take up our jobs?
>
> He probably intended "all the" to be read as "so many"??

If that was what he intended to write then he would have written it - or are you
calling his intelligence into question?

Regards,
Greg.P.
Jason Davies - 28 Jun 2005 03:34 GMT
> > >> If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come over
> > >> to live and take up our jobs?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Regards,
> Greg.P.

"foreigner

  € noun 1 a person from a foreign country. 2 informal a stranger or
outsider." OED

definition #2 implies "immigrant"

You are not from the USA. Are you a foreigner?

I am not from New Zealand. Am I a foreigner?

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Greg Procter - 28 Jun 2005 03:46 GMT
> > > >> If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come over
> > > >> to live and take up our jobs?
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> I am not from New Zealand. Am I a foreigner?

I'm well aware of the meaning and usage of the word "foreigner", foreigner.
My issue was with Paul N for suggesting that the previous poster had intended a
quite different meaning to that which he wrote.

Regards,
Greg.P.
Pac Man - 27 Jun 2005 16:49 GMT
Roger,
   Just a question: how dumb do you have to be to respond to obvious
off-topic trolls?  You didn't even change the header.  Do you also respond
to unsolicited commercial e-mails to tell them you are not interested in
their product?  Do you listen to telemarketers?  Do you reply to junk mail?
Do you want to buy a bridge in Brooklyn?
   Thank you for doing your part in killing off this newsgroup.  I'm sure
everyone here appreciates it.

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lgb - 27 Jun 2005 17:14 GMT
>    Just a question: how dumb do you have to be to respond to obvious
> off-topic trolls?  

Especially one from webtv :-).

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Roger T. - 27 Jun 2005 19:40 GMT
> Roger,
>    Just a question: how dumb do you have to be to respond to obvious
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Paul A. Cutler III
> Deputy Sheriff

Your most welcome Paul.  I do my bit, dontchaknow.

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mark_newton - 27 Jun 2005 04:28 GMT
> If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come
> over to live and take up our jobs?

*ALL* the foreigners? Think again. The world is full of people with
absolutely no desire whatsoever to live or work in the USA.

> God bless you and have a good day with Him at your side.

Unless, of course, you're a job-stealing foreigner, eh?
Bruce Favinger - 27 Jun 2005 22:41 GMT
Mark,
   We don't have job stealing foreigners. The only foreigners that stole
anything were the early ones mostly from Europe and they specialized in
stealing land from the Indians. The Indians were originally foreigners too
coming over from Asia. There were no job opportunities when the Indians
arrived but being savages they were happy enough just killing animals and
each other for thousands of years. No one in Asia wanted them to come back
anyway. When the ice bridge melted the Asians had great parties with bon
fires and made silly faces and finger jesters at the Indians on the other
side of the growing gap of water. Americans have been ridiculed ever since.
The Indian's were very wise and most went south learning where to find every
hallucinogenic plant that grew on the continent, took up smoking and
exterminating as many species of animal as possible.
   The Europeans created the first jobs in America. These jobs were in the
real estate business trading almost worthless trinkets to the Indians for
land. It was soon discovered that it was quicker just to take the land and
shoot the Indians so new job types entered the market. These were
Trailblazing and Frontiersmanship. Prestigious names for land grabbing
Indian exterminators. Once the Indians were more or less run off the eastern
coast the wheels of industry and agriculture created so many jobs that more
and more foreigners were needed. There were never enough. Back then you were
only a foreigner until you got here. Then you were an American who was free
to steal land from the Indians and peruse happiness right up until someone
killed you.         There were so many jobs that the freedom loving people
of the new nation had to keep slaves or much work would go undone.
Eventually the contradiction of having slaves in the Land of the Free became
obvious to three or four people and they made a big fuss about it. More and
more thoughtful people said "Duhh....that's right, I never thought of it
that way" except for a number of folks in the southern portion of the nation
who had their own special accent. Having become inbred they embraced various
rationalistic strains of Calvinistic and fundamentalist Christianity that
were already corruption's of Christianity anyway. Hence they were unable to
distinguish right from wrong. (Today much of our leadership can trace their
roots back to these folks.) So it was necessary to have a Civil War to sort
things out. Foreigners were welcome to participate and shoot each other too.
The Civil War was the greatest undertaking ever made by a nation to destroy
itself. As we are still a nation the whole affair was a complete failure.
However the slaves were now free to become impoverished exploited workers
that could only be discriminated against. Plenty of menial jobs were
available because the war thinned out the ranks impoverished exploited
workers very effectively.
   Once again prosperity showed its face upon America. More and more
foreigners came over to steal land from the Indians.  The great western
expansion created many new jobs for foreigners especially the Chinese who
were very hard working and didn't eat much. The Railroads loved the Chinese
type of impoverished exploited worker and could never find enough of them.
Now in the event you could not find a job back then you could always go
west, steal some land from an Indian and be a farmer. Or you could sell
eggs, bacon, clothing or tools to miners at usurious 2005 prices back in the
1850's. Treacherous behavior and exploiting each other has long been an
American tradition. We learned how to do it from the Europeans as they were
experts. I expect they learned it from the Romans who really had it down
pat.
   As more and more people became descendants of Indian killing, land
grabbing, slave owning, war making Europeans and various other foreigners
folks began to think of anyone who was not born or inbred here as a
foreigner rather than a person who just lived in another country. This
naturally lead to lots of paperwork and waiting to get in for the new
arrival. We learned how to produce volumes of paper work from the Germans
who were extremely anal about detail and how to make it all utterly
confusing, redundant and useless from the British. To make matters worse we
used French Law in many situations to validate, authorized and execute
documentation. So now we have a bureaucracy that is demandingly anal,
confused, redundant  and elusive, but creates many un needed jobs for under
achievers and the less than brilliant. This why we have to put up so bonds
for everything as the French would always run off if there was a problem but
not as often without their money. Just like the French we figured no one was
good for his word even if he signed a contract. .
   It got out some time ago probably by a respected authority like Rush
Limbaugh that people were coming here to steal our jobs and now lots of
folks are all worked up about it. What really happened was that large
companies started giving jobs to people in other countries because it was
more economical. Americans wanted two days pay for one days work so they
could have enough to live on after handing over the unions cut, unfair taxes
and social insecurity. Even worse Americans workers would be upset if they
were impoverished or exploited and might complain if they had to say "would
you like fries with that" to often. Some of the jobs like the ones the
Chinese guys get today no one wants. Inhumane slavish working conditions are
okay for other people if we can get their cheap products but don't ask us to
do it.
   The folks from India and the Middle East have monopolized the
convenience store jobs and business. You don't hear any one complain about
this situation. Those jobs pay only minimum wage and you have to get robbed
and shot by rap singing gang members or drug addicts every now and then
while under surveillance by vigilante patriots in camouflage pants who can't
tell the difference between a Hindu shop keeper or an Islamic bomber.
   Many vigilante patriots in camouflage pants are now wandering around the
border with Old Mexico trying to stop the Mexicans from coming over to steal
our jobs. When the Mexicans steal a job in America where do they take it?
They never get caught taking any hot jobs back into Mexico. Most of the
Mexicans would love to live in Mexico but the country has been governed
vicious corrupt dope dealing monkeys for so long parts of it aren't fit for
humans anymore. President Fox is a monkey who's got his hands on lot of
bananas we don't know about. We understand this because the other monkeys in
control down there haven't killed him yet.
   We have professional vigilante patriots we call the Border Patrol who
are under funded, under manned and completely inept. Many new low paying
jobs for foreigners should be opening up guarding the boarders. It is
obvious that very little training or aptitude is needed to be a border
guard. Arriving Asian and Indian immigrants can fill the spots guarding the
Mexican border. The Mexicans who are already here can guard the Canadian
border to keep in any Americans who will be headed that way if the Right
Wing Republican Fundamentalist Christian Neocons are still running the
nation after the next election.
   Even if the current powers are still in place there will still be many
new jobs for people who would like to intimidate, ridicule, and persecute
gay people while working for the Department of Values, Ethics and
Normalization headed up by Jerry Falwell and Tom DeLay. Religious people of
all origins should have no problem coming together to promote bigotry and
hatred by bashing gays so there should be work for everyone.
   No one is stealing jobs that anyone wants at least not inside our
boarders. In any event getting paid less is not stealing someone's job its
being exploited. Its wide open for anyone wants to be or has no choice.
Bruce

>  > If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come
>  > over to live and take up our jobs?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Unless, of course, you're a job-stealing foreigner, eh?
Craig A Cooper - 27 Jun 2005 23:18 GMT
Al Franken?.......Is that you?

Very funny....Now go away..........please!

> Mark,
>    We don't have job stealing foreigners. The only foreigners that stole
[quoted text clipped - 154 lines]
>>
>> Unless, of course, you're a job-stealing foreigner, eh?
Bruce Favinger - 28 Jun 2005 06:39 GMT
> Al Franken?.......Is that you?
>
> Very funny....Now go away..........please!

No it's just Bruce. Al Franken makes a great deal more money than I do for
writing rubbish. I think that he may even take some of what he says
seriously. I hear he is going to run for some office. That's all we need is
a trash writing left wing comedian pundit in a political office. Ann Coltier
will then be forced to run for something to maintain the balance. They both
have strong traits of the politician as they both lie a lot and are very
good at it. They say the truth will set you free. From what I can tell it
just makes everyone mad as hell. So its best to lie at least a little then
you will always have a few supporters. If you lie real big and frequently
you will have lots of supporters just like Presidents Clinton and Bush. Al
and Ann could both excel in an official capacity. Bruce
B Dixon - 28 Jun 2005 06:06 GMT
> Mark,
>     We don't have job stealing foreigners. The only foreigners that stole
> anything were the early ones mostly from Europe and they specialized in
> stealing land from the Indians. The Indians were originally foreigners too
> coming over from Asia.

Really O/T

There was an interesting program on TV the other day talking about a
growing body of evidence that the cavemen from Europe made it here first.

Some archaeological finds and interesting DNA studies of eastern tribes.

What does this have to do with trains, nothing, but since we are way off
track here I thought I would switch us onto a new topic.<G>

Bill Dixon
Bruce Favinger - 28 Jun 2005 06:49 GMT
Those darn Indians. Just when we became comfortable with the theory that
they infested the Americas through the back door we discover may have come
marching right through the front door. You can never trust Indians. Bruce

>> Mark,
>>     We don't have job stealing foreigners. The only foreigners that stole
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Bill Dixon
Steve Caple - 29 Jun 2005 17:18 GMT
> since we are way off track here I thought I would switch us onto a new
> topic.<G>

Hope you get a good turnout.

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pawlowsk002@gannon.edu - 29 Jun 2005 19:00 GMT
> > since we are way off track here I thought I would switch us onto a new
> > topic.<G>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> --
>  Steve

Dear folks:

   I live in terror that the evil released by the constant puns
on r.m.r. is building up in some disused sewer a la Ghostbusters...

Cordially yours,
Gerard P.
President, The Sparta Railroad
Norman Morgan - 29 Jun 2005 19:58 GMT
>> > since we are way off track here I thought I would switch us
>> > onto a new topic.<G>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> on r.m.r. is building up in some disused sewer a la
> Ghostbusters...

A pun is the lowest form of humor...unless you thought of it first.

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Greg Procter - 29 Jun 2005 21:45 GMT
> >> > since we are way off track here I thought I would switch us
> >> > onto a new topic.<G>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> A pun is the lowest form of humor...unless you thought of it first.

You obviously haven't been watching any of those US "Sitcoms"!
Frank Rosenbaum - 02 Jul 2005 02:13 GMT
>> > since we are way off track here I thought I would switch us onto a new
>> > topic.<G>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>    I live in terror that the evil released by the constant puns
> on r.m.r. is building up in some disused sewer a la Ghostbusters...

If it explodes that would be sewer-side.

> Cordially yours,
> Gerard P.
> President, The Sparta Railroad
Greg Procter - 27 Jun 2005 05:15 GMT
There's no such thing as "anti-Americanism" amongst normal people in normal
situations - you are deluding yourselves by using that term.

> If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come over
> to live and take up our jobs?

You've got more money than they have. They don't neccessarily want to go
there, they just want/need the money. They will probably go home when they
have enough.

> God bless you and have a good day with Him at your side.

You're right, he's on our side, not yours!
David Epling - 27 Jun 2005 07:13 GMT
Anyone know of a good mail order hobby shop for HO scale PARTS?

thanks
Robert Heller - 27 Jun 2005 12:16 GMT
 "David Epling" <frrsweb@sbcglobal.net>,
 In a message on Mon, 27 Jun 2005 06:13:35 GMT, wrote :

"E> Anyone know of a good mail order hobby shop for HO scale PARTS?

http://www.walthers.com/

"E>
"E> thanks
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pawlowsk002@gannon.edu - 27 Jun 2005 15:59 GMT
Dear folks:

    After I saw this was *not* a troll thread I couldn't resist...

    Yup, America is awful.  Just awful.  Awful awful awful.
Yepyepyepyep uh-huh uh-huh.
Nodnodnodnodnod *whiplash* </end usenet script no. 326...>

    Why, just the other day the Protestant church down the street was
blown up by the
Catholics...or maybe the Protestants blew the Catholics up, I don't
recall.  It happens
so often around here.  Sure.  And the constant racial tensions! Just
horrible.  Why, I
even heard somebody call another person a nasty name.  In fact it
happened several times.
Let's not forget the pollution.  Suchaterribleshame.  Every few weeks I
can almost smell
the coke plant.  Yes sir, whenever I see the Ohioans rising to massacre
those of West
Virginian background who live in their state I am horrified that I live
in this terrible,
terrible country.

Cordially yours,
Gerard P.
Jeff Hensley - 28 Jun 2005 02:32 GMT
What the hell does this have to do with the question about a mail order
parts shop?

> From: pawlowsk002@gannon.edu
> Organization: http://groups.google.com
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> Cordially yours,
> Gerard P.
Rick Jones - 28 Jun 2005 00:33 GMT
> If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come over
> to live and take up our jobs?

   They're tired of being abused by America's foreign policy. The only
way to avoid it is to get on this side of the wall of shame.

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J Barnstorf - 29 Jun 2005 04:31 GMT
It's not quite that black and white. To most people, a paying job is a
paying job. There are plenty of Americans working outside of the states.
Shall we sneer at them as well? Your country isn't so rotten. It's actually
pretty nice. Hardly perfect not even close.  However, there are countries
where life is out and out deplorable. You'd probably do the same if you were
in that foreigners shoes (sandals whatever). But still, there are lots of
ugly issues in the states. In most countries for that matter. USA is pretty
bad for foreign relations though and quite xenophobic. I lived there for
some years, some of the social undercurrents made my hackles rise. Made me
confirm my belief that all people are the same.

Not all foreigners want to move to the USA. There are plenty of USA
businesses that explicitly go out of their way to get cheap, opressable,
exploitable workers. And if that doesn't work, then the USA companies ship
the jobs over seas. I simpathize and shake my head at the same time. Big
money only cares about big money and in the end the color of your flag don't
mean diddly if it doesn't tow the bottom line. Why else would China have
most favored nation status even after all the moves it has and is pulling?

Not hardly that black and white at all.

Who's god?  My god doesn't have a gender.
The inability to maintain the separation of church and state, is only one of
many scary issues...

Jb

> If our country is so rotten why do all the foreigners want to come over
> to live and take up our jobs?
>
> God bless you and have a good day with Him at your side.
 
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