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Mark Sornson - 14 Aug 2006 20:54 GMT
Arguments about cart-before-the-horse aside,
I'm almost ready to wire my outdoor G-scale
layout, which I'm planning to run using standard
DC power and isolation blocks (as I don't
have engines ready to run any of the various
cab-controlled systems).

I need to build a control panel for a couple
of main loops, one extra small loop, plus a few
sidings, with controls for a mix of LGB and
Aristocraft remote switches, which I have the
respective controllers for.

I don't plan on leaving the control panel
out-of-doors, which means I need one or more
type of snap-in/snap-out connectors so I
can easily connect and disconnect the wiring
(run to a central spot).  And I also need to
mount and wire some switches and power selectors
so I can supply/cut power to my sidings (which
I'd like to supply by selecting one of
three separately controlled power supplies).

Since I'm not an electronics hobbiest, and
this is my first layout, I'm looking for
recommendations for a source for switches and
connectors that are good for this sort of
thing.  Mail-order is OK.  Could I find what
I need at Radio Shack (since they are
everywhere)?

Any other advice anyone would care to volunteer
from experience is welcome, too.

Thanks in advance.
-mark.
David Starr - 14 Aug 2006 22:04 GMT
> Arguments about cart-before-the-horse aside,
> I'm almost ready to wire my outdoor G-scale
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> Thanks in advance.
> -mark.

Radio Shack is everywhere, so anything you can get from Radio Shack is
something that you can get anywhere, and probably find replacements for
in the future.  Unfortunately Radio Shack is contracting the range of
parts stocked, and in a few years may be down to nothing more than AA
batteries.  Plus the quality of Radio Shack toggle switches is lower
than I would like.
  Good mail order houses are Mouser, Digikey, and All Electronics.
Addresses and such will turn up with a bit of googling.  All is a
surplus place, offering some good deals, but here today gone tomorrow.
By sure to order some spares so that you can replace failed stuff in the
future.  Surplus house wire makes a good power bus.  Surplus telephone
wire or LAN wire is good for signal circuits.  Double Pole Double Throw
(DPDT) toggle switches, Single Pole Single Throw (SPST) push buttons are
most useful.  Model railroading voltage and current levels are low
enough that any switch offered will have voltage and current ratings
adequate to the task.
  Traditional model railroad control panels have a schematic track
diagram with the toggle and push button switches mounted on the
schematic to indicate which track block or turnout they control.

David Starr

David Starr
Geezer - 15 Aug 2006 00:30 GMT
Excellent question - I just faced the same problem, so I offer the solution
I chose and look forward to other's comments on your question.

> Arguments about cart-before-the-horse aside, I'm almost ready to wire my
> outdoor G-scale
> layout, which I'm planning to run using standard DC power and isolation
> blocks (as I don't
> have engines ready to run any of the various cab-controlled systems).

I have elected to go the same way.

> I need to build a control panel for a couple of main loops, one extra
> small loop, plus a few
> sidings, with controls for a mix of LGB and Aristocraft remote switches,
> which I have the
> respective controllers for.

My layout is basically two reverse loops connected by single track, with a
passing siding at the half-way point on the single track, plus some
additional spurs.  Most of the main line track is Aristo, with an 8' dia.
min radius, and to carry-over this minimum, I'm using the LGB wide radius
(8' dia.) turnouts.  I bought an LGB turnout controller (the orange box
thing), but decided instead to use Radio Shack push-buttons integrated into
my panel fed through an appropiately wired pair of diodes.  I am using the
LGB auxiliary contacts added to the EPL turnout motors to cut-off power to
the spurs when the turnouts are set for the main line - saves wires back to
the control panel.  I am using the spring switch feature of the LGB manual
turnout controls to correctly route my trains around the reverse loops and
onto the right hand passing tracks.  This has worked fine with metal wheeled
Bachmann cars, LGB and Aristo locos, and heavier Aristo rolling stock even
with plastic wheels.  I did have to add weight and a spring to get Bachmann
4-6-0 pilot trucks to track through the spring switches reliably.

> I don't plan on leaving the control panel out-of-doors, which means I need
> one or more
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> selecting one of
> three separately controlled power supplies).

I initially also planned to use multi-conductor connectors to make my panel
removable, but could not find any that were weather proof at reasonable
(i.e. really cheap) cost.  I instead decided to make my panel semi-portable
on a semi-permanent cable pendant.  I went to a local estate liquidator's
shop and found a nice metal box that had apparently been designed to hold
"IBM" Hollerith cards that was about the right size.  Inside just below the
lid I mounted a piece of 1/8" white plexiglas as the contorl panel surface
and mounted my control toggle switches and pushbuttons to that surface.  On
the base of the panel I mounted Radio Shack European style terminal strips,
the transformer from an old Marx 75 watt toy train transformer asmy main
power supply, and an Aristo "Train Engineer" walk-around control receiver.
I found a tail end scrap of 24 conductor 18 gauge stranded cable at a local
electrical supply wholesale house at a good price, and use this to attach
the control panel box to my layout central terminal connections under the
deck behind my house.  The rest of the layout wiring is all done with
low-voltage outdoor lighting UV resistant 16 gauge zip-cord from Lowes and
Home Depot - again cheap and low voltage drop.  It's only been 3 months, but
so far leaving the box connected and storing it between operating sessions
in a plastic bag under the deck has worked fine with no moisture or bug
problems.  I do plan to disconnect the 24 wires from the under-deck terminal
strip in the fall (a couple minute job) and bring the panel & cable inside
for the winter.

> Since I'm not an electronics hobbiest, and this is my first layout, I'm
> looking for
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> they are
> everywhere)?

I used Radio Shack pushbuttons as they are small and readily available, but
as another responder has noted, RS quality is declining - the pushbuttons
would start to melt if I was not careful in my soldering, letting the
terminals sag into the plastic cases and upset pushbutton relability.  I
fortunately had 40 year old Cutler-Hammer DPDT's left over from another
project to use for the track power controls.  I suggest you try a local
electrical supply wholesaler or an industrial supplier like Grainger to find
good quality switches.

> Any other advice anyone would care to volunteer from experience is
> welcome, too.
> Thanks in advance.   -mark.

You're most welcome.  Geezer
jpurbric@nyx.net - 15 Aug 2006 20:26 GMT
Somewhat cheaper than DigiKey and better for small orders are Jameco
and All Electronics:

http://www.allelectronics.com/
http://www.jameco.com/

All Electronics is more of a surplus place than a full-service
components dealer, but they always seem to have connectors and switches
in stock.

For mounting a control panel with a lot of wires I'd look first at
D-sub connectors, like RS-232 connectors except that in addition to the
9-pin style used for serial ports, you can get them with as many as 50
pins. They never cost much and each contact is good for over an amp (I
forget the exact limit) and if it's not enough, you can double up the
contacts. But with any connector that you don't pay a limb or two for,
I'd worry about walking away with your panel and leaving the connector
out in the weather. You might do well to recess the connector in a box
and screw down a cover with a rubber gasket over it when it's not in
use, or find a box with a spring-loaded flap.
Greg.P. - 27 Aug 2006 07:16 GMT
> Arguments about cart-before-the-horse aside,
> I'm almost ready to wire my outdoor G-scale
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> Thanks in advance.
> -mark.

Mind if I slap the aforementioned horse?
Unless your layout is going to be a compact oval in the flower garden, I'd
actually recommend DCC. Individual wiring to electrically powered/controlled
turnouts, blocks etc will use up an awful lot of wire. Using the rails as
the main conductors will save almost enough to pay for accessory decoders.
Likewise, the saving on wire to switchable blocks will save you almost
enough to equip your locos with decoders.
Not having a fixed control location will be justification enough for the
rest of the expense.
I'm assuming a wireless hand-held controller with provision for operating
accessories here.

Regards,
Greg.P.
 
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