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Buying brass for the first time - would like some advice

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Danny B - 23 Feb 2007 22:30 GMT
Hi,

I'm considering buying a brass N scale UP caboose, but the pictures on
caboosehobbies.com show unpainted models, and I was wondering if the models
themselves come painted or unpainted?  If I'm paying >$US90 for a model, I
want to make sure it's painted.  The photos on the Overland Models site show
painted models, although the retailer's don't, and I just want to get some
advice on this.

Thanks,

Danny B
Wolf - 24 Feb 2007 01:49 GMT
> Hi,
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> Danny B

If it doesn't say "factory painted" or "custom painted", it comes in
brass. Not unpainted, actually the models are painted with a gold
lacquer to hide the solder and discolorations from the heat, but that
counts as unpainted. A lot of collectors want their models unpainted,
oddly enough.

AFAIK, Overland models all come factory painted and lettered.

HTH
trainspeeddemon@hotmail.com - 25 Feb 2007 02:14 GMT
Best advise is DON'T BUY IT!!!!!!!!

Brass is WAY overpriced.  Plastic is just as good.  The brass market
is dying.
That model is NOT painted so plan on another $100 for paint at least.

> Hi,
>
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> Danny B
gl4316@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2007 03:58 GMT
> Best advise is DON'T BUY IT!!!!!!!!
>
> Brass is WAY overpriced.  Plastic is just as good.  The brass market
> is dying.
> That model is NOT painted so plan on another $100 for paint at least.

Plastic models require a very substantial amount of tooling for the
casting process.  Therefore, to get models of certain special interest
cars and locomotives, there has to be short production runs in something
that doesn't require casting.

I myself only own one brass locomotive - something that wasn't and still
isn't available commercially.  Everything else is plastic.  However, I
would disagree that plastic is just as good.  With metal parts, it is
possible to make much smaller, fine detail such as grab irons, various
pipe details, etc.  The walls of cars can be thinner, and have a more
realistic look to them.

However, just because it is possibe, doesn't mean that it is always done.
There are brass models out there that aren't so very wonderful.  Riding
qualities and (for locomotives) running qualities can sometimes be poorer
than one would expect at the price - because they expect the model to be
in a display case or some such rather than actually used.

An awful lot of that fine detail only shows up if you are looking at the
thing in a full page photo in model railroader magazine or something like
that.  Most modelers don't look at their stuff under 5x maginfication like
that.  For most practical purposes, plastic appears just as good,
particularly now that laser machining is far more common than it once was.

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David Nebenzahl - 25 Feb 2007 05:43 GMT
gl4316@yahoo.com spake thus:

>>Best advise is DON'T BUY IT!!!!!!!!
>>
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> cars and locomotives, there has to be short production runs in something
> that doesn't require casting.

Just curious, Glenn: why are you replying to a well-known
troll/sockpuppetmaster?

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gl4316@yahoo.com - 25 Feb 2007 07:15 GMT
> gl4316@yahoo.com spake thus:
>
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> Just curious, Glenn: why are you replying to a well-known
> troll/sockpuppetmaster?

This thread and post actually has something to do with model railroading.
The original poster who asked the question needs to hear a variety of
opinions.

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curtmchere@aim.com - 26 Feb 2007 23:55 GMT
Steve Caple we ask that of you each day why are you a sockpuppet?
Please find god and stop lying to the train board.
STEVE CAPLE WE KNOW THIS IS YOU please stop and stop sinning.

On Feb 25, 12:43�am, STEVE CAPLE wrote:
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brad - 27 Feb 2007 02:46 GMT
>Steve Caple we ask that of you each day why are you a sockpuppet?
>Please find god and stop lying to the train board.
>STEVE CAPLE WE KNOW THIS IS YOU please stop and stop sinning.

CURT MCHERE we are not fooled by your sockpuppets and fakes.  We know
it is you.
Get off of drugs, and off god please.  We are praying for you to die
painfully.
curtmchere@aim.com - 27 Feb 2007 23:44 GMT
STEVE CAPLE we  know this is you as "brad" you are at troll and a
fake.  Get right with god and repent

On Feb 26, 9:46 pm, STEVE CAPLE" wrote:
> <curtmch...@aim.com> wrote in message
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> Get off of drugs, and off god please.  We are praying for you to die
> painfully.
brad - 28 Feb 2007 01:59 GMT
> STEVE CAPLE we  know this is you as "brad" you are at troll and a
> fake.  Get right with god and repent

CURT MCHERE we are not fooled by your sockpuppets and fakes. We know it is
you.
Get off of drugs, and off god please. We are praying for you to die
painfully.
David Nebenzahl - 26 Feb 2007 02:08 GMT
"trainspeeddemon@hotmail.com" (sockpuppettus curtus) spake thus:

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Don't talk to me, those of you who must need to be slammed in the
forehead with a maul before you'll GET IT that Wikipedia is a
time-wasting, totality of CRAP...don't talk to me, don't keep bleating
like naifs, that we should somehow waste MORE of our lives writing a
variorum text that would be put up on that site.

It is a WASTE OF TIME.

- Harlan Ellison, writing on the "talk page" of his Wikipedia article
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harlan_Ellison)

 
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