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Model Forum / General / Railroads / March 2007original lionel model 55 1936 airplane
I was cleaning out an attic of an old house and found an ORIGINAL (not the reproduction) 1936 Model 55 remote controlled airplane. It is in perfect working order, and overall in excellent condition. The plane will need some minor work done to it; best left to an experienced restorer. My impression from internet searches is that this toy is quite rare. Anyone out there who can give me a very rough idea of its value? thanks, joseph.struckus@snet.net > I was cleaning out an attic of an old house and found an ORIGINAL (not > the reproduction) 1936 Model 55 remote controlled airplane. It is in [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > joseph.struckus@snet.net Hi Joseph; This is where E-Bay is useful. Quotes of "It's worth XXXXX dollars" are not helpful, unless THAT person is saying "I'll give you XXXXX for it". Good luck Chuck D. Thanks, Chuck D. Ebay may be my next step, but I was hoping to first get at least a sense of its value, or at least a better idea of how rare this thing really is. I'm particularly interested in learning more about why there appear to be so few of these items out there. Were only a few produced? Or, were they used hard and thus few survived to the present? Jed > joseph.struc...@snet.net wrote: > > I was cleaning out an attic of an old house and found an ORIGINAL (not [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Chuck D. On Mar 26, 11:03?am, joseph.struc...@snet.net wrote: > My impression from internet searches is that this toy is quite rare. > Anyone out there who can give me a very rough idea of its value? > > joseph.struc...@snet.net Yes, Joe, your impression is correct. Not a lot of these models appear to have survived down to the present. Since they were rather peripheral to Lionel train sets and the fact that while the trains typically were put away after Christmas (and were thus safely tucked away the rest of the year), the far more compact remote control airplane was likely kept out for the kid''s to play with and were soon worn out. Many Lionel collectors consult the Greenburg price guides to obtain a "general idea" of an item's value. According to the figures published in my 2000 copy of same, an example of the #55 airplane (1937-39) in "good" condition is valued at $165, while one in excellent condition is cited at $450. These figures are a bit dated, so I'd expect the item to be worth more currently. CNJ999 This is an exceptionally helpful forum. I greatly appreciate your help, CN! Since we are on a roll here, any chance of clueing me in on how "Good" and "Excellent" might be defined? > On Mar 26, 11:03?am, joseph.struc...@snet.net wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > CNJ999 Hi, Turning on my Lenz system, the loco headlights flashed and the LZV100 LED started flashing at a rate of once per second and the LH90 LED readout stated "OFF". Nothing had changed on the layout since running trains the day before. Has this happened to anyone else? What was the fix? Is this a common problem? How could I get Lenz to honour the warranty if I reside in Australia and the US vendor I bought it from has passed away? Lenz states that their warranty is only a US warranty. Looking forward to hearing from you. Ezra > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Ezra This can happen if you get an electrical short of some kind. Try switching off the system, and then using a different loco with DCC, and see what happens. If you get the same problem, look to see if anything else might be shorting out the system. If not, then the problem is probably in the first loco. If on the other hand you can find nothing at all causing a short, and there are no locos, coaches, wagons, or anything else at all on the track, and the unit still gives a short, then it's probably time to contact Lenz. Ian J. >>Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Ian J. Thanks for your reply. The re-set button worked and the system in now operational. I was spooked by a similar thing happening to a friend who ultimately had to send his unit back to the US to have the warranty honoured. Thanks again. Ezra > >>Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > are no locos, coaches, wagons, or anything else at all on the track, and the > > unit still gives a short, then it's probably time to contact Lenz. That is strange, I bought my Lenz equipment in the States and still buy my decoders from the States - I live in the UK and Lenz has had no issue with replacing my decoders when I fried a couple. I also asked them to register my equipment at my UK address which, again, they did without question Iain M > > Ian J. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > - Show quoted text - >This is an exceptionally helpful forum. I greatly appreciate your >help, CN! Since we are on a roll here, any chance of clueing me in on >how "Good" and "Excellent" might be defined? "Good" and "Excellent" are no longer used in describing condition. The newer system and explanation, similar to what coin collectors use, can be found at the TCA site http://www.tcamembers.org/standards/condition.htm. Ray Hobin NMRA Life # 17XX; TCA # HR-78-XXXXX; ARHS # 2XXX Durham, NC [Where tobacco was king; now The City of Medicine] On Mar 27, 8:52�am, t...@toast.net wrote: > >This is an exceptionally helpful forum. I greatly appreciate your > >help, CN! Since we are on a roll here, any chance of clueing me in on [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > NMRA Life # 17XX; TCA # HR-78-XXXXX; ARHS # 2XXX > Durham, NC [Where tobacco was king; now The City of Medicine] While I'm sure Ray's intent is well meaning, I have to say that outside the TCA (which means the other 99.5% of model railroad hobbyists!) their rating system is likely unknown to and unrecognized by potential buyers on sites such as eBay. Regarless, it is just as seller-subjective as the old Excellent, Good, Fair, and Poor...and therein is the problem. I'd venture to guess that unless you were to approach someone highly versed in Lionel buying and selling, you are unlikely to get a truly objective evaluation of what condition your #55 is really in. Thus, you are probably best off just describing it in detail, along with its obvious faults, in any ad and letting the potential buyer decided how much above the minimum price you set, it is worth to them. CNJ999 >> Ray Hobin >> NMRA Life # 17XX; TCA # HR-78-XXXXX; ARHS # 2XXX [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >seller-subjective as the old Excellent, Good, Fair, and Poor...and >therein is the problem. Nevertheless, while not very common, I have seen those "airplane" units go for in excess of $1,200 at York and, I feel fairly certain anyone willing to pay 4 figures or more for a pre-WWII Lionel item is probably a member of TCA, LCCA or similar organizations and will, without personal visual inspection demand or at least be enticed if grading is by TCA standards. If the antiquated "very good" or "excellent" adjectives get a buyer and a good price for the seller, well, then who cares? Buyer and seller have an accord! But then again, as Barnum said... :) Nothing wrong if seller "appraises" the grading IAW TCA guidelines. Could be wrong...but have been at it for over 40 years although only a member of TCA since 1978 and NMRA since 1958 - Life since 1972. Having the original box which, BTW, has a separate grading system, would really enhance its value...me? Well, my discretionary funds don't permit me such nice extravaganzas. :) Ray |
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