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Model Forum / General / Railroads / June 2007I'm new and I'm not a troller!
Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an organist (The name should tell you that). O27 engines are Lionel: Wabash Atlantic Great northern RS3 Alask Railroad GP9 (or a GP7, I don't remember which) K-Line: Illinois Central S2 New York Central Pacific MTH: Centerville Trolley Hopefully this should be ebough proof that I'm not a spammer, I've been watching this group for a little while. > Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an organist > (The name should tell you that). [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hopefully this should be ebough proof that I'm not a spammer, I've > been watching this group for a little while. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Welcome to the group, Hammondlover. Bill Bill's Railroad Empire http://www.billsrailroad.net I play piano, but i suck at the organ... I mean nothing.!!!!!!! > Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an organist > (The name should tell you that). [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hopefully this should be ebough proof that I'm not a spammer, I've > been watching this group for a little while. > > Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an organist > > (The name should tell you that). [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > - Show quoted text - LOL. I su - erm - am not very good at piano! <snip> > Hopefully this should be ebough proof that I'm not a spammer, I've > been watching this group for a little while. FYI, if you want to be seen as a non-troll, here's some advice: 1). Sign each message with your real name. This indicates that you stand behind what you say. Trolls usually use blatantly false names or no name at all because if it ever got out that they behave like lunatics, they'd suffer a little at either work or at home. 2). Use a real NNTP connection to post to the group. Web-based postings from Google are generally used by trolls due to the fact that they are free and to the common user, untraceable. This means that a troll cannot be tracked down and get his ISP account terminated for violating his TOS/AUP for being a troll. 3). Use a "real" e-mail account in your return field. Yahoo, Hotmail and other free web-based e-mail accounts are notorious for Trolls. Sure, you can "munge" your return addy (as in "j (underscore) smith (at) earthlink (dot) com") so you don't get as much spam, but using the freebie accounts is not the way to encourage folks that you aren't a troll. 4). Post to more than one thread, on more than one subject, and actively try to either help people by answering their questions, or ask questions to try and get a good discussion going. Most trolls only want to cause pain, and would sooner bite off their own arm than help people. 5). Never bring up politics or religion in a non-political or non-religous newsgroup. And if someone does bring it up, never respond to it. Nothing good will come of it. You won't change their mind, and they won't change yours, so what's the point? It'll just be a blood bath and will kill the group, eventually. 6). Never respond to an obvious troll. For example, I had some loser actually title a thread here with my name in it. I didn't reply at all, and it quickly faded away (if only everyone else would do that). 7). Don't use ALL CAPS, don't overuse exclamation points (!), don't post binaries (pictures), don't launch personal attacks...IOW, be a good netizen, and you'll be welcome on any newsgroup. Just like in real life, if you go into a group or gathering and come off as a big jerk, people will think the worst of you. If you come in like a real nice guy, you'll be greeted with open arms. Paul A. Cutler III ************* Weather Or No Go New Haven ************* > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Weather Or No Go New Haven > ************* I'll always use the same name, and you can have me email if you want, but I have no intention of discussing politics here. I already know of groups that have deteriorated into anarchy due to this. >I already know of >groups that have deteriorated into anarchy due to this. Anarchy? Here on USENET? Surely you're joking! By the way, welcome aboard. -- Ray > I'll always use the same name, and you can have me email if you want, > but I have no intention of discussing politics here. I already know of > groups that have deteriorated into anarchy due to this. It's not the "handle" that should be your real name (for example, mine is "Pac Man"), but that you should sign your real name in each post (see below). For example, do I call you "Hammond" or "Lord Vader"? Neither one sounds like a first name to me (hint, hint). BTW, directly e-mailing folks is usually considered bad manners when discussing a group topic. If you have something to say about this group, say it to everyone so all can see. Paul A. Cutler III ************* What have you done to save r.m.r today? ************* >BTW, directly e-mailing folks is usually considered bad manners when >discussing a group topic. If you have something to say about this group, >say it to everyone so all can see. Paul, that depends on why. If I offer to send you an old boxcar that I no longer want, would you like me to ask for your address right here? Would you post it here so I can fill out an address label? Would you prefer to post your phone number here? While I agree that it can sometimes be unwelcome, e-mail to a person can have many reasons for occurring where none of them are bad. Believe it or not, USENET is a text only message system that is based on many of the same protocols as e-mail. Thus, many people still use their real e-mail address here and suffer the abuse of those who really do abuse it - the dreaded SPAMMERS! -- Ray > Paul, that depends on why. If I offer to send you an old boxcar that > I no longer want, would you like me to ask for your address right > here? Would you post it here so I can fill out an address label? > Would you prefer to post your phone number here? Well, that's why I said "usually", as in "usually considered bad manners". I didn't say it was an absolute. Obviously, if I ask for a personal contact off the group, then it's okay. It's the unsolicted comments via e-mail about a topic at hand that I find in bad taste. It's usually done so one can chew out another poster (making rude comments, swearing, threatening, etc.), or so one can agree with someone else while not publically appearing to take sides in a discussion. > While I agree that it can sometimes be unwelcome, e-mail to a person > can have many reasons for occurring where none of them are bad. More the exception than the rule. The only other one is when a discussion goes way, way off topic (going into politics or religion, for example). That stuff is best taken off the group into e-mail. But that must be agreed to by both participants. > Believe it or not, USENET is a text only message system that is > based on many of the same protocols as e-mail. Thus, many people > still use their real e-mail address here and suffer the abuse of > those who really do abuse it - the dreaded SPAMMERS! Oh, I know. I've been here a long time. NNTP & SMTP are very simular. Paul A. Cutler III ************* Weather Or No Go New Haven ************* >Oh, I know. I've been here a long time. NNTP & SMTP are very simular. > >Paul A. Cutler III >************* >Weather Or No Go New Haven >************* I grew up with a New Haven trunk in Willimantic, CT almost in my back yard. I love the steam and burning coal smell mixed with heavy oil even today. NYNH&H is my absolute favorite. Their herald crest makes me all warm and fuzzy. -- Ray > I love the steam and burning coal smell mixed with heavy > oil even today. . . . > Their herald crest makes me all warm and fuzzy. Amen to that - although as a child of mixed parentage (Wabash and Nickel Plate) I'd have to insist on the Bluebird and Banner Blue drumheads, as well as "Follow the flag" and those lovely blue semi-streamlined Wabash Hudsons, with a soundtrack of NKP S3 Berkshires doubleheading up around the Maumee curve onto the high tracks through Fort Wayne.  SignatureSteve > I grew up with a New Haven trunk in Willimantic, CT almost in my > back yard. I love the steam and burning coal smell mixed with heavy > oil even today. NYNH&H is my absolute favorite. Their herald crest > makes me all warm and fuzzy. Have you been back to Willimantic to see the RR museum there? http://www.cteastrrmuseum.org/ They've got a pretty good set-up. They rebuilt the old roundhouse, excavated the turntable pit, and found a turntable to drop into it. They've also collected several buildings like the old Groton freight house, and a station or two. Plus, of course, the 1:1 equipment like their FL9, a couple 8600 coaches, the Pfizer switcher, etc. My favorite one is the handcar: http://www.cteastrrmuseum.org/PumpCar.htm According to the museum guy who was showing us around, this handcar was built using plans found in Model Railroader. How's that for a scratch building project? LOL Paul A. Cutler III ************* Weather Or No Go New Haven ************* >> I grew up with a New Haven trunk in Willimantic, CT almost in my >> back yard. I love the steam and burning coal smell mixed with heavy >> oil even today. NYNH&H is my absolute favorite. Their herald crest >> makes me all warm and fuzzy. > > Have you been back to Willimantic to see the RR museum there? Oh, yes. I get their calendar every year. Still have family there including a cousin who volunteers time at the museum. >http://www.cteastrrmuseum.org/ > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >was showing us around, this handcar was built using plans found in Model >Railroader. How's that for a scratch building project? LOL Parts hard to find? Actually, I found an old handcar in the backwoods of North Stonington (or it may have been Groton) many years ago. I never could accurately place it on a map so the actual township is just a guess. It's probably still there. I was working for a guy back in the '60s who hired me to paint old but serviceable lathes that were originally used in WWII to make battleship gun barrels. The rail line had to pass close by in order to drop them off. It was a never ending job, chipping, scraping, painting and putting cosmoline(sp?) on the bare metal runners. I fell in love with the guy's daughter. She'd bring lemonade to the fields where the equipment rested. Sadly, she didn't feel the same way about me. I can still see her in shorts with her blouse tied in a knot just under her . . . Sigh . . . Go away now. I'm going to have a nap. -- Ray > I can still see her in shorts with her blouse tied in > a knot just under her . . . > > Sigh . . . > > Go away now. I'm going to have a nap. Don't getcher knickers in a knot! SignatureSteve >> I can still see her in shorts with her blouse tied in >> a knot just under her . . . [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Don't getcher knickers in a knot! Even you couldn't spoil that particular nap. She hadn't aged a day. -- Ray > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Weather Or No Go New Haven > ************* I have even better idea. When someone discovers this forum why not just post a normal on-topic message not even mentioning trolling. That would have worked perfectly and would have prevent any long lectures from current members. :-) I've been posting using Google Groups for several years now and except for occasional Mark Newton head-butting, I post on-topic. Peteski > FYI, if you want to be seen as a non-troll, here's some advice: > > 1). Sign each message with your real name. This indicates that you > stand behind what you say. Trolls usually use blatantly false names > or no name at all because if it ever got out that they behave like > lunatics, they'd suffer a little at either work or at home. Hm... my handle isn't a real name, but most people don't regard me as a troll. > 2). Use a real NNTP connection to post to the group. Web-based > postings from Google are generally used by trolls due to the fact that > they are free and to the common user, untraceable. This means that a > troll cannot be tracked down and get his ISP account terminated for > violating his TOS/AUP for being a troll. I don't mind Google Groupers, but honestly for reading r.m.r, a NNTP connection is best. You can use a real news reader with kill files and filtering. I haven't seen anywhere near the volume of trash messages here that people have complained about. > 3). Use a "real" e-mail account in your return field. Yahoo, Hotmail > and other free web-based e-mail accounts are notorious for Trolls. > Sure, you can "munge" your return addy (as in "j (underscore) smith > (at) earthlink (dot) com") so you don't get as much spam, but using > the freebie accounts is not the way to encourage folks that you aren't > a troll. Many people use a fake or invalid email address in the from field so the bots don't pick it up. If you "munge" your email address like Pac Man suggests, it would only take a few seconds to write a program to "demunge" it and spam it. Those who do use a fake or invalid address usually provide a real one in some form in their signature. > 4). Post to more than one thread, on more than one subject, and > actively try to either help people by answering their questions, or > ask questions to try and get a good discussion going. Most trolls > only want to cause pain, and would sooner bite off their own arm than > help people. I agree. > 5). Never bring up politics or religion in a non-political or > non-religous newsgroup. And if someone does bring it up, never > respond to it. Nothing good will come of it. You won't change their > mind, and they won't change yours, so what's the point? It'll just be > a blood bath and will kill the group, eventually. You might also want to look up Godwin's law. > 6). Never respond to an obvious troll. For example, I had some loser > actually title a thread here with my name in it. I didn't reply at > all, and it quickly faded away (if only everyone else would do that). Agreed. > 7). Don't use ALL CAPS, don't overuse exclamation points (!), don't > post binaries (pictures), don't launch personal attacks...IOW, be a > good netizen, and you'll be welcome on any newsgroup. Just like in > real life, if you go into a group or gathering and come off as a big > jerk, people will think the worst of you. If you come in like a real > nice guy, you'll be greeted with open arms. It's usually a good idea to do a search for "Usenet Etiquitte" and read a couple of the resulting sites. There are things you'll never think of that just tick people off. (Biggest one that gets me is not using blank lines to seperate your reply from the previous reply.) > Paul A. Cutler III > ************* > Weather Or No Go New Haven > ************* Puckdropper SignatureWise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it. To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm > > FYI, if you want to be seen as a non-troll, here's some advice: > [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > > To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm People throw Godwins law all over the place. It's more like an internet murphy law. >>> 5). Never bring up politics or religion in a non-political or >>> non-religous newsgroup. And if someone does bring it up, never >>> respond to it. Nothing good will come of it. You won't change their >>> mind, and they won't change yours, so what's the point? It'll just be >>> a blood bath and will kill the group, eventually. >> You might also want to look up Godwin's law. > People throw Godwins law all over the place. It's more like an > internet murphy law. Okay ... let us review some things here. You have stated that you aren't a troll and sounded eager to be a good netizen and contribute. Someone provided a well though out list of suggestions on exactly how to do that. 1) You completely ignored the most excellent suggestion of actually signing a name. Something besides a stupid handle so that when someone chooses to respond they don't start off with "Hey Dork". 2) You responded to a rather lengthy message of maybe 80 lines with a two sentence reply and couldn't be bothered with trimming out the superfluous text. So far you are zero for two. You might revisit Pauls response and reread it. There is much valuable information there that would benefit everyone. Bill [Usenet, DARPA and ARPA net since 1980] Argh it aint pretty what this has turned into. On Jun 16, 1:09 pm, "William R. Mattil" <wrmat...@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > >>> 5). Never bring up politics or religion in a non-political or > >>> non-religous newsgroup. And if someone does bring it up, never [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > [Usenet, DARPA and ARPA net since 1980] Argh it aint pretty what this > has turned into. I'm not an english professor, and I've never been taught proper internet protocol. Everything I have written has been in response to a question. Dating an identifiying electric organs is not a cut and run job without details. Michael T. Downes Aka "Hammondlover" Hammondlover spake thus: > On Jun 16, 1:09 pm, "William R. Mattil" <wrmat...@ix.netcom.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>a troll and sounded eager to be a good netizen and contribute. Someone >>provided a well though out list of suggestions on exactly how to do that. [snip] > I'm not an english professor, and I've never been taught proper > internet protocol. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Michael T. Downes > Aka "Hammondlover" Don't let the overly-anal advice here get to you. So long as you post *reasonably* on-topic stuff from time to time and otherwise use common sense, no need to worry about violating any "rules". Hey, even the "respected regulars" around here wander off-topic all the time. And so far as using your real name goes, that's up to you as well. There are lots of folks whose posts I regularly read who I have no idea what their actual name is. SignatureAny system of knowledge that is capable of listing films in order of use of the word "f.ck" is incapable of writing a good summary and analysis of the Philippine-American War. And vice-versa. This is an inviolable rule. - Matthew White, referring to Wikipedia on his WikiWatch site (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm) *snip* > Don't let the overly-anal advice here get to you. So long as you post > *reasonably* on-topic stuff from time to time and otherwise use common [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > lots of folks whose posts I regularly read who I have no idea what > their actual name is. So, Mr. Nebenzahl, how do we know that's YOUR real name? ;-) One thing I'd like to point out is that it's often NOT a good idea to use your real whole name. Usenet servers can keep a permanent record of what you've said in the past, so what you said 10 years ago might come back to haunt you. Puckdropper SignatureWise is the man who attempts to answer his question before asking it. To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm > *snip* > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > To email me directly, send a message to puckdropper (at) fastmail.fm I just won't say anything stupid. <snip> > One thing I'd like to point out is that it's often NOT a good idea to use > your real whole name. Usenet servers can keep a permanent record of what > you've said in the past, so what you said 10 years ago might come back to > haunt you. Well then, I guess it would be a good idea not to say anything that may come back and haunt you in the first place. ;-) I've been signing with my real name since my first post here, and have done the same with the Atlas Forum, Model Railroader & Trains Forums, Railroad.net (before they went to pot), the NHRHTA's (New Haven) Forum, the old Railroad-Line Forums, plus the groups ne.transportation, and misc.transport.rail.americas. And that's got to be going back 10 years or so. Signing with your real name is, IMHO, a brake on the ridiculousness that crops up from time to time on the 'net. It won't stop it, and I don't pretend that it would. But I think it helps. So folks should show some intestinal fortitude and post under their own real name. And unless one doesn't care that everything one says will be recorded for all of history, don't be a flaming jerk on the internet. And to be clear, I don' t think that those who don't are cowards (some folks can't go public because of their jobs as they are goofing off at work by posting here, for example). But real names = more respect. Paul A. Cutler III ************* Weather Or No Go New Haven ************* > Don't let the overly-anal advice here get to you. So long as you post > *reasonably* on-topic stuff from time to time and otherwise use common [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > lots of folks whose posts I regularly read who I have no idea what their > actual name is. David, It would be nice if you could stop responding to the real trolls. You and those like you here tend to treat this group as your own personal litterbox. We get flooded with trolls because folks like yourself just can't seem to resist replying and egging the trolls onward. Stop it already. You are killing this group. Paul A. Cutler III ************* Weather Or No Go New Haven ************* > Hm... my handle isn't a real name, but most people don't regard me as a > troll. Certainly. My point was on how trolls usually operate on newsgroups. But these methods are certainly not all inclusive. Back before free e-mail accounts, life was different here. As well as pre-DejaNews. > I don't mind Google Groupers, but honestly for reading r.m.r, a NNTP > connection is best. You can use a real news reader with kill files and > filtering. I haven't seen anywhere near the volume of trash messages > here that people have complained about. Oh, I don't mind Google posters either. But there are a lot of Trolls that use them. > Many people use a fake or invalid email address in the from field so the > bots don't pick it up. If you "munge" your email address like Pac Man [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Those who do use a fake or invalid address usually provide a real one in > some form in their signature. Well, there's munging and then there's munging. Mine was but the simplest example I could think of at the time. Many folks munge their return addy, then post the key to unlocking it in their sig. For example, "Replace the Tortoise with the Hare to reply"...etc. (and their munged addy is j_doe@tortoise.com and it should be j_doe@hare.com). <snip> Thanks for the reply. Paul A. Cutler III ************* Weather Or No Go New Haven ************* Hammondlover spake thus: > Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an organist > (The name should tell you that). [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hopefully this should be ebough proof that I'm not a spammer, I've > been watching this group for a little while. Welcome. Just a couple of things (and you can forget some of the dire admonitions you've received from other replies here; you'll figure things out): 1. The term is "troll", not troller. So far, pretty obvious you aren't one. 2. Trolls and spammers are two entirely different creatures. Spammers post unwanted commercial announcements in multiple Usenet newsgroups, usually unrelated to the group's subject. Also obvious you aren't one. 3. Do agree with someone else who suggested not using Google Groups for posting & reading, unless you really like that web page interface. Try a "real" Usenet client (for instance, Mozilla Thunderbird, which is free). Lots easier & faster reading through the group. One thing to keep in mind if you use Google to post is that whenever you "edit" a message, the rest of us (those who access this group through NNTP and not Google) will see both the old and the new messages, which clutter things up considerably. Shame on Google for "features" like this! Anyhow, have fun. SignatureAny system of knowledge that is capable of listing films in order of use of the word "f.ck" is incapable of writing a good summary and analysis of the Philippine-American War. And vice-versa. This is an inviolable rule. - Matthew White, referring to Wikipedia on his WikiWatch site (http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/wikiwoo.htm) > Try a "real" Usenet client (for instance, Mozilla Thunderbird, which is > free). Lots easier & faster reading through the group. Amen to that. 40tude Dialog (also free) is another good one. SignatureSteve My son has an old 50s organ with tubes in it. Is it worth anything? > Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an organist > (The name should tell you that). [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hopefully this should be ebough proof that I'm not a spammer, I've > been watching this group for a little while. > Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an organist > (The name should tell you that). [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hopefully this should be ebough proof that I'm not a spammer, I've > been watching this group for a little while. So, you only own engines? What do you model in N scale? As far as troll proof - we'll have to wait few weeks to see. And if you were a troll, I (and most, but not all people on this forum) would ignore you. Peteski > > Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an organist > > (The name should tell you that). [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Peteski All those engines are O27. My HO and N are currently in storage and are too numerous to list. Wayne: Unfortunately only a very select few electric organs are worth anything (for now), these are mainly Hammond Consoles, the largest of the Hammonds. You'll have to describe the organ more. If it has 2 switches and requires a fancy start-up process (like a diesel engine) then I can guarantee it's a Hammond. "Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an organist (The name should tell you that)." Gee, I thought you were into hole in the wall podunk towns in Illinois, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, New York, Oregon and Wisconsin. ;-) On Jun 17, 12:40 am, "Newyorkcentral...@bigfoot.com" <newyorkcentral...@bigfoot.com> wrote: > "Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an > organist (The name should tell you that)." > > Gee, I thought you were into hole in the wall podunk towns in > Illinois, Maine, Minnesota, Montana, New York, Oregon and > Wisconsin. ;-) My mother grew up along the NYC route between Rochester and Niagara Falls. We'll leave it at that. > Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an organist > (The name should tell you that). [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hopefully this should be ebough proof that I'm not a spammer, I've > been watching this group for a little while. A nice Troller: http://i21.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/a4/cb/76df_1_sbl.JPG Rob > A nice Troller: > > http://i21.ebayimg.com/02/i/000/a4/cb/76df_1_sbl.JPG > > Rob Speaking of which... does anyone know what ever happened to the Troller Corporation? Their products seemed superior to the MRC offerings at the time and they had made some inroads in the market. But then, all of a sudden, POOF, they were gone! I still have one of their power packs running trains on my layout. dlm >> A nice Troller: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > dlm I would like to know too. I have 3 of their AC throttles for Lionel/Flyer. Rob We don't let gays in here sorry. Bye. > Just dropped by to say hi. I model HO, N and O27, I'm also an organist > (The name should tell you that). [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Hopefully this should be ebough proof that I'm not a spammer, I've > been watching this group for a little while. On Jun 24, 5:31 pm, davidnebenz...@yahoo.com wrote: > We don't let gays in here sorry. Bye. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > - Show quoted text - I don't get it. > I don't get it. Sigh. He's a real Troll, ok? And you responded to him. Please don't. Every time you respond to a Troll, you might as well write "sucker" across your forehead. Trolls live for pain, for confusion, for destruction, etc. Remember what we talked about earlier? 1). Note that said Troll did not sign the above post with his name. 2). Note that said Troll is using Google Groups to post to r.m.r. 3). Note that said Troll is using a Yahoo! account. 4). Note that said Troll is not being helpful, is not asking on topic questions, and is calling people a slur. and, 5). Note the cross posting: "alt.usenet.kooks", "alt.troll" (please snip off-topic headers before posting!) These are primary indicators of a Troll. Please, let it go. You may not be a Troll, but this luzer above certainly is. Paul A. Cutler III ************* Weather Or No Go New Haven ************* Mr. Fat Man, let's review........ You use a fake name as Pac Manc so you are a troll? Google and Yahoo users are trolls? Huh? Since when is being gay a slur? You are homophobic. Stop cross posting. You said you were leaving the group, but you are still here as Fat Man? Me a man and do what you mean to do. > 1). Note that said Troll did not sign the above post with his name. > 2). Note that said Troll is using Google Groups to post to r.m.r. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Weather Or No Go New Haven > ************* |
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