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P. Roehling - 23 May 2008 04:24 GMT
A small  -probably F0 or F1-  tornado touched down just south of me in
Perris California this afternoon, crossing both I-215 and the Santa Fe
branch line that runs parallel to the freeway for circa 10 miles.

It only flipped a single tractor-trailer rig over on the freeway, but it
also knocked over a string of around ten empty (?) old boxcars that were
sitting parked on a siding right across the road.

Interestingly, the boxcars were prevented from falling all the way over by a
line of power poles next to the tracks that bent, but did not break, and
held the cars up at about a 45 degree angle.

Last heard from, both Santa Fe crews and the Edison boys were on the scene,
and there may not be anything interesting to see by tomorrow afternoon when
I plan to motorcycle down there and take a peek.

-Pete

P.S. Tornados in southern California? Isn't that supposed to be one of the
signs of the apocralypse?
David Nebenzahl - 23 May 2008 05:40 GMT
On 5/22/2008 8:24 PM P. Roehling spake thus:

> P.S. Tornados in southern California? Isn't that supposed to be one of the
> signs of the apocralypse?

Nope. They happen all the time. You ought to pick up a copy of Mike
Davis's /The Ecology of Fear/, describing those and other "apocalpytic"
things that happen in SoCal, but concealed by C-of-C booster types.

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P. Roehling - 23 May 2008 07:22 GMT
>> P.S. Tornados in southern California? Isn't that supposed to be one of
>> the signs of the apocralypse?
>
> Nope. They happen all the time.

No. They don't "happen all the time". Even funnel clouds are fairly uncommon
here: I've seen only three in all the years I've lived in So Cal., and all
of them were up at several thousand feet.

Maybe once or twice a year someone will get a picture of a waterspout in the
Catalena Channel, but actual tornados; I.E. funnel clouds that *actually
reach the ground*, are quite rare.

> You ought to pick up a copy of Mike Davis's /The Ecology of Fear/,
> describing those and other "apocalpytic" things that happen in SoCal, but
> concealed by C-of-C booster types.

You ought to get some therapy so you can stop trying to prove that you're
the smartest guy on Usenet and  -eventually-  even give up trying to tell
the people who've lived there most of their lives that you know more about
their weather than they do.

And BTW, "smart guy", you completely missed the joke.
David Nebenzahl - 23 May 2008 09:39 GMT
On 5/22/2008 11:22 PM P. Roehling spake thus:

> And BTW, "smart guy", you completely missed the joke.

Well, I guess that makes *you* the smartest guy on Usenet then, eh?

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Peter W. - 24 May 2008 00:34 GMT
> On 5/22/2008 11:22 PM P. Roehling spake thus:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> - Attributed to Winston Churchill

Geez!
These type of threads make me long for Mark Newton!

Peteski
mark - 24 May 2008 01:45 GMT
> On 5/22/2008 8:24 PM P. Roehling spake thus:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Davis's /The Ecology of Fear/, describing those and other "apocalpytic"
> things that happen in SoCal, but concealed by C-of-C booster types.

Um, try this one - a friend in Cinci, who's just moving this weekend to se
IN, will have to take routes around this....

To what genius did it occur to ship a railroad locomotive on a flatbed
trailer?

<http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=919a4d3e-9efb-4c86-8c66-8bf
757f12572
>

       mark
Bernhard Agthe - 26 May 2008 13:36 GMT
Hi,

> To what genius did it occur to ship a railroad locomotive on a flatbed
> trailer?
>
> <http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=919a4d3e-9efb-4c86-8c66-8bf
757f12572
>

Funny ;-)

Actually that happens all the time... When the Deutsche Bahn built a new
track to link the Munich central station to the high-speed-line going
north, they removed the track going in and out of Krauss-Maffei (now
Siemens) engine factory. As the factory is also doing a lot of "heavy
maintenance" they had to ship *all* engines in and out by truck (taking
large detours...). I'm not sure if this has been fixed by now...

At another point the factory mad a few engines for South Africa (which
has metre gauge). They had to be shipped by truck trailer and rail
trailer through half of Germany, then by river-boat to the North Sea and
on via ocean ferry ;-)

Have a nice day...

PS: The Munich engine factory built a large series of modern electric
loco's based on a design requested by Deutsche Bahn (DB) - which DB
didn't take, so they were sold to Austria. By now, DB has rented a large
number of them from Austria, because they drive their loco's into
disrepair. The joke is - they could have bought them in the first place,
but they rather pay more money to rent them, in fact they could save
even more money if they'd stick to the maintenance intervals... So
instead of saving money they pay much more now - and are probably the
only large railroad still trying to move to road transport... I'm quite
unhappy with them in general...
David Nebenzahl - 26 May 2008 19:56 GMT
On 5/26/2008 7:31 AM Bernhard Agthe spake thus:

>> To what genius did it occur to ship a railroad locomotive on a flatbed
>> trailer?
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> only large railroad still trying to move to road transport... I'm quite
> unhappy with them in general...

So much for the much-vaunted German obsession with maintenance and
precision, eh?

Funny, since you mention Krauss-Maffei: there's a connection to my part
of the world (California), since the Espee bought a bunch of their
diesel-hydraulics way back when. Everything I've read says that the
reason they were ultimately pulled from service was that SP wasn't
willing to invest in proper maintenance at the required intervals. (I've
climbed on and in the hulk of the remaining loco parked in the
California State Railroad Museum yard, and it's a fascinating piece of
machinery, as well as history.)

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Dale Carlson - 23 May 2008 07:39 GMT
>P.S. Tornados in southern California? Isn't that supposed to be one of the
>signs of the apocralypse?

I've always assumed that Southern California itself was one of the
signs of the apocalypse :-)

Dale
P. Roehling - 23 May 2008 08:21 GMT
>>P.S. Tornados in southern California? Isn't that supposed to be one of the
>>signs of the apocralypse?
>
> I've always assumed that Southern California itself was one of the
> signs of the apocalypse :-)

Well, parts of it might be. [1]

But I was speaking of the "apocralypse"*.

-Pete

[1] If Ged  -or whoever's in charge-  doesn't do something about Hollywood
Boulevard, then Sodom and Gomorrah have a *serious* apology coming!

* Etymology: A compound word formed by combining "apocryphal" and
"apocalypse". Originator: (suspected) Terry Pratchett. Definition: An
Armageddon of doubtful authenticity.
Steve Caple - 23 May 2008 17:07 GMT
>>>P.S. Tornados in southern California? Isn't that supposed to be one of the
>>>signs of the apocralypse?
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> "apocalypse". Originator: (suspected) Terry Pratchett. Definition: An
> Armageddon of doubtful authenticity.

Armageddon sick and goddam tired or "end times" preachers and
pseudo-novelists.  Rapture this, christinane a.sholes!

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P. Roehling - 23 May 2008 19:28 GMT
>> But I was speaking of the "apocralypse"*.

>> * Etymology: A compound word formed by combining "apocryphal" and
>> "apocalypse". Originator: (suspected) Terry Pratchett. Definition: An
>> Armageddon of doubtful authenticity.

> Armageddon sick and goddam tired of "end times" preachers and
> pseudo-novelists.  Rapture this, christinane a.sholes!

Oh, they're welcome to it. Just so long as they don't try forcing the rest
of us to live according to their theological precepts.

-Pete
video guy - www.locoworks.com - 23 May 2008 22:59 GMT
> >> But I was speaking of the "apocralypse"*.
> >> * Etymology: A compound word formed by combining "apocryphal" and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> -Pete

At a model railroad meet in (appropriately) southern California I was
looking at an extensive N-scale modular layout when one module, roofed
with fluffy grey storm clouds, started flashing some convincing
simulated lightning.  Part of the cloud started rotating, showed
itself to be a funnel cloud, and began descending in an arc which cut
across a nicely-modeled trailer park.  The rotating cloud then tucked
itself back into the sky and the lightning stopped.

We in the audience applauded.
P. Roehling - 24 May 2008 01:24 GMT
> At a model railroad meet in (appropriately) southern California I was
looking at an extensive N-scale modular layout when one module, roofed
with fluffy grey storm clouds, started flashing some convincing
simulated lightning.  Part of the cloud started rotating, showed
itself to be a funnel cloud, and began descending in an arc which cut
across a nicely-modeled trailer park.  The rotating cloud then tucked
itself back into the sky and the lightning stopped.

> We in the audience applauded.

I would have too!

-Pete

P.S. I recall a friend of mine who used to fly radio-controlled  -part of
the time- sailplanes who'd heard that thermals cause dust devils, and that
the biggest thermals cause the biggest dust devils. (That part is true.)

So one bright day he spotted a *huge* dust devil working it's way across the
flying field and picked up his sailplane, ran down the runway towards the
dust devil at top speed, and flung his plane directly into the heart of the
funnel..............

You could see the plane intermittently for about the next five seconds as it
flashed past each time the funnel rotated, and each time you saw it the
plane was in a different attitude. Then it abruptly disappeared and various
small parts began to be ejected: half a wing here, an elevator there, Etc.

When my friend had finally finished picking up the fragments and walked back
to the flight line, I explained to him that the thermal he'd been seeking
was located *above* the whirlwind, and that it was the rapid rising of that
bubble of warm air which pulled the surrounding air in beneath it from all
sides, and that coriolis force then started it spinning.

He said "OH!", and went back to flying power planes.
mark - 24 May 2008 01:49 GMT
>>> But I was speaking of the "apocralypse"*.
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Oh, they're welcome to it. Just so long as they don't try forcing the rest
> of us to live according to their theological precepts.

In 1989, my ...late... wife and I lived in the exurbs outside of Austin, TX.
There was only one way to the 'subdivision' (mostly immobile homes on a
broken up ranch), which was past this obnoxious funnymentalist church. They
*always* had some nasty slogan on their signboard.

Then they started announcing the Rapture (tm) would occur on 13 Sept. 1989.
We were vastly amused by this, since it was her birthday. We were really
looking forward to it, since we figured the traffic on the way to work the
next day would be *so* much better, with all of them Raptured off the
planet.

We were very disappointed when they didn't go, and they didn't even have the
grace to blush on their signboard.....

       mark
 
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