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Carter Braxton - 27 May 2008 04:43 GMT
The right throttle knob on my Digitrax DT 400 throttle no longer responds
properly.  It's most noticible when turning the knob counterclockwise and
instead of a straight-line sequence the readout might run
30-29-28-27-26-25-24-36-34-33-32-44-40-39-27-36-35 and so forth.  It also
happens when increasing speed but not so noticibly.

Is this something that I can reprogram or do I need to send my throttle to
Digitrax for service?

Carter
Ray Haddad - 27 May 2008 05:04 GMT
>The right throttle knob on my Digitrax DT 400 throttle no longer responds
>properly.  It's most noticible when turning the knob counterclockwise and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Is this something that I can reprogram or do I need to send my throttle to
>Digitrax for service?

Sigh. Reinstall Windows and reboot.

Oh, wait. Wrong fix for the wrong problem. Lost my head.
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Roger T. - 27 May 2008 05:20 GMT
> Sigh. Reinstall Windows and reboot.
>
> Oh, wait. Wrong fix for the wrong problem. Lost my head.

And uninstall Vista and IE8.

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Steve Caple - 27 May 2008 07:30 GMT
> And uninstall Vista and IE8.

Hunh?  Wuzzat?  Never heard of 'em.

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Roger T. - 27 May 2008 07:33 GMT
>> And uninstall Vista and IE8.
>
> Hunh?  Wuzzat?  Never heard of 'em.

Must be a Mac user.

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Steve Caple - 27 May 2008 09:22 GMT
>>> And uninstall Vista and IE8.
>>
>> Hunh?  Wuzzat?  Never heard of 'em.
>
> Must be a Mac user.

Nope.  Experienced Windows user  -  experienced enough to avoid switching
to their "latest and greatest" until there's absolutely no way not to, and
that point sure ain't here yet for those twin piles of doggie breakfast.

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Roger T. - 27 May 2008 17:16 GMT
"Steve Caple"

>>>> And uninstall Vista and IE8.
>>>
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> to their "latest and greatest" until there's absolutely no way not to, and
> that point sure ain't here yet for those twin piles of doggie breakfast.

We are in 100% agreement.  :-)

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Puckdropper - 27 May 2008 08:23 GMT
> The right throttle knob on my Digitrax DT 400 throttle no longer
> responds properly.  It's most noticible when turning the knob
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Carter

Are you alone on your system, or do you have other throttles?  Sometimes
a throttle doesn't release the address properly, and you get funky
behavior.  We (a club of around 6-7 regular operators) get funky
operations sometimes when there's a lot of people running, especially
over the radio side.

Try the left wheel and see if it does it too.  If so, try resetting your
system.

Puckdropper
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Howard Garner - 27 May 2008 11:10 GMT
>> The right throttle knob on my Digitrax DT 400 throttle no longer
>> responds properly.  It's most noticible when turning the knob
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>
> Puckdropper

If that does not work, the encoder may be bad.  That means a trip to
Norcross is in order.

Howard G
Wolf Kirchmeir - 27 May 2008 13:24 GMT
> The right throttle knob on my Digitrax DT 400 throttle no longer responds
> properly.  It's most noticible when turning the knob counterclockwise and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Carter

Sounds like a service issue to me, you're working a variable resistor,
and anything mechanical can develop problems which affect its electrical
performance. http://www.digitrax.com/kb/ is their tech support page, a
good place to start.

OTOH, in case it is a programming issue, you could try resetting
everything to to factory state first, the reprogramming the CVs. If the
throttle has the same issues when reset to factory state, then there are
problems you can't fix. If it's OK, reprogram the CVs, one at a time,
and testing functionality each time. This will reveal which CV is
messing things up, which may be useful information when you contact
Digitraxx.

Good luck.

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Stevert - 27 May 2008 15:00 GMT
>> The right throttle knob on my Digitrax DT 400 throttle no longer
>> responds properly.  It's most noticible when turning the knob
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> performance. http://www.digitrax.com/kb/ is their tech support page, a
> good place to start.

  Well, except that the DT400 uses encoders instead of pots, I agree
that it's a problem with your right encoder.

  I'd call Digitrax first to confirm it's there's no way to "reset" it,
but it sounds like a trip to Norcross is in order.

Stevert
Peter W. - 28 May 2008 10:50 GMT
> Sounds like a service issue to me, you're working a variable resistor,
> and anything mechanical can develop problems which affect its electrical
> performance.http://www.digitrax.com/kb/is their tech support page, a
> good place to start.

> --
> wolf k.

DT400 does not use potentiometers (aka. variable resistors). It uses
digital encoders (continuous turning).
Having clarified that I agree that whatever the knob is turning is
defective and it shoudl be returned to Digitrax for servicing.

BTW, one of the reasons I don't care for Digitrax is those silly
encoders which turn and turn and turn.  I like a throttle with
positive stops on both ends of the knob rotation.  Yes I know that
they sell utility throttles which use a potentiometer. But those are
too simple (not enough function buttons).

Peteski
PV - 27 May 2008 18:10 GMT
>The right throttle knob on my Digitrax DT 400 throttle no longer responds
>properly.  It's most noticible when turning the knob counterclockwise and
>instead of a straight-line sequence the readout might run
>30-29-28-27-26-25-24-36-34-33-32-44-40-39-27-36-35 and so forth.  It also
>happens when increasing speed but not so noticibly.

Meaning it jumps up and down when turning the knob in one direction? That
sounds like something is electronically messed up in the handheld, not
software. There are a couple throttle settings you can change (look it up
in your booster's manual), but none of them are going to make the throttle
jump around like that.

>Is this something that I can reprogram or do I need to send my throttle to
>Digitrax for service?

You might try to reset the throttle to factory settings, but this is
probably something you'll need to send the throttle in to fix. The only
other thing I can think of is a loose set screw on the knob, but that
doesn't fit your description very well. *
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* PV   something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
      like corkscrews.

David Nebenzahl - 27 May 2008 18:20 GMT
On 5/27/2008 10:10 AM PV spake thus:

>>The right throttle knob on my Digitrax DT 400 throttle no longer responds
>>properly.  It's most noticible when turning the knob counterclockwise and
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> in your booster's manual), but none of them are going to make the throttle
> jump around like that.

How about physically cleaning the encoder? Sounds like a shot of
electronic tuner cleaner or similar might be in order; the encoder's
switch contacts may be gunked up.

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Carter Braxton - 27 May 2008 18:27 GMT
Thanks Guys... it looks like the DT400 is getting a trip to Norcross.
Appreciate all the comments (at least the ones that applied to my queary)

Carter

> On 5/27/2008 10:10 AM PV spake thus:
>
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> electronic tuner cleaner or similar might be in order; the encoder's
> switch contacts may be gunked up.
Random Excess - 27 May 2008 18:58 GMT
>How about physically cleaning the encoder? Sounds like a shot of
>electronic tuner cleaner or similar might be in order; the encoder's
>switch contacts may be gunked up.

 While I know absolutely nothing about DCC and/or encoders thereof I
do know that typical mass-merchandised radio-shlock type "electronic
tuner cleaner" ain't worth a fart for dang near anything, let alone
real electronics. The stuff to use is Caig's DeoxIT from Caig
laboratories:

http://store.caig.com/

 It ain't cheap but it works very well indeed.  Been usin' it on my
musician pro audio and R/C airplane gear for years.  Good stuff!
Don't work for Caig labs, just happy to've discovered their products.

Tejas Pedro
PV - 27 May 2008 21:33 GMT
>How about physically cleaning the encoder? Sounds like a shot of
>electronic tuner cleaner or similar might be in order; the encoder's
>switch contacts may be gunked up.

I've never had to take one of them apart to see if the shaft encoders are
optical or electrical, so I don't know if degunking the contacts will do
anything other than make it spin easier. I would think that if the contacts
are messed up, it would skip settings (say go from 23 to 25 on linear
mode with a dead click inbetween), but it wouldn't go back down and then
up again. That was the key symptom in the description.

One other thing occured to me is that it might be worth clearing all the
slots in the booster - I've seen one think that two throttles were the same
one or somehow married together so that each got the other's messages (sort
of like when you steal a loco). You can clear slots via a CV or by using
JMRI. *
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      like corkscrews.

 
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