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Mike Hughes - 05 Sep 2008 08:32 GMT
A message to all those who've been following my fotopic postings

As I've now got more that 150 photos on the South Shore part of my
fotopic site and over 120 on the 'real' trains part of the site I
realise that it is getting a bit more difficult for people to find
specific items of interest to them.

Therefore I will shortly be adding new collections and moving some of
the existing photos over to these new collections as and when I find out
exactly how to do it (I think I've got it sorted but I have to be
certain that I've got it right before I go too far).

Two examples of the kind of collections I hope to create are photos I've
taken of Charlie Fox-Wilson's Broke Brick Mountain and Cliff South's
Ashley Danville and Deanstown layouts. It should also make it easier if
anyone wants to link to a specific 'theme'.

This should take place by Tuesday or Wednesday next week but in the
meantime this is your chance to view the whole of the gallery at
http://mikehughes627.fotopic.net/

If I get enough time I may also 'rationalise' some of the photos and
delete those which are out of date or no longer relevant e.g. older
photos of Broke Brick or the AD&D - unless you want me to keep the older
photos on my site so that you can see the progress that has been made
between photo shoots. Just in case you miss anything follow the link
above. The photos are currently viewed as last first so you may want to
go to the back photo on the index and then work forward as I will
probably delete the older photos first.

I should also have some news for you about a new 'collection' which will
feature my loft layout - if I can remember to take the camera up there!

I have in mind to take photos of the installation of a Lenz 150 DCC
auxiliary (point motor) decoder which will operate up to 6 turnouts at a
time. As I'm using this with Tortoise motors it did originally present
me with a few problems which I've managed to solve and which may help
others. Anyone interested in this?

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Mike Hughes
A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton
at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England
Interested in American trains real and model?
Look here http://mikehughes627.fotopic.net/

Just zis Guy, you know? - 05 Sep 2008 09:31 GMT
>A message to all those who've been following my fotopic postings

You're going to stop spamming your website?

Oh no, of course not.

Enough.  In the trollbox with you.

Guy
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Twibil - 05 Sep 2008 19:20 GMT
> You're going to stop spamming your website?

He's not selling anything, so he's not "spamming": just offering to
share his pictures with any other model railroaders who might be
interested. If you're *not* interested, just don't go look at the
pictures. Simple, no?

BTW: your sig line as well as your post lead me to believe you may
have fallen on your head without a helmet once too often.

-Pete
John Turner - 05 Sep 2008 21:02 GMT
> He's not selling anything, so he's not "spamming": just offering to
> share his pictures with any other model railroaders who might be
> interested. If you're *not* interested, just don't go look at the
> pictures. Simple, no?

Not at all simple - these messages are being cross-posted to other groups
including uk.rec.models.rail - this group has a very specific charter
limiting posting to topics directly relating to the modelling of UK
prototypes.  In that context (and that group is where I for one have read
these postings), such off-topic messages are very definitely spam.

John.
Twibil - 05 Sep 2008 21:17 GMT
> > He's not selling anything, so he's not "spamming": just offering to
> > share his pictures with any other model railroaders who might be
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> prototypes.  In that context (and that group is where I for one have read
> these postings), such off-topic messages are very definitely spam.

Nope, it still ain't "spam", but maybe if you lie down and cry
yourself to sleep tonight things will look better in the morning.

Get a grip.

-Pete
Ed Banger - 05 Sep 2008 22:17 GMT
In message
<5079b51b-b7ad-453c-858c-800e5b5463f3@s1g2000pra.googlegroups.com>,
Twibil <jose.noway6@gmail.com> writes

>> > He's not selling anything, so he's not "spamming": just offering to
>> > share his pictures with any other model railroaders who might be
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Get a grip.

He doesn't need to get a grip, you need a prolonged session with a clue
stick. The term "spam" was actually first used to describe posts across
multiple Usenet forums, regardless of whether they were for financial
gain or not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroup_spam

The OP is in fact posting a message promoting his crappy website.
Promotional messages (aka advertisements) are also regarded as spam.

And before some intellectual midget tries to argue that this response is
itself cross-posted, it is indeed. However, at least I have enough of a
clue to reset follow-ups.

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Twibil - 06 Sep 2008 01:09 GMT
> He doesn't need to get a grip, you need a prolonged session with a clue
> stick.

Feel free to try. I'm easy to find but I tend to shoot back.

> The term "spam" was actually first used to describe posts across
> multiple Usenet forums, regardless of whether they were for financial
> gain or not.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsgroup_spam

Uh-huh. And definitions change as time goes by; the protestations of
English teachers and idealogues notwithstanding.

> The OP is in fact posting a message promoting his crappy website.

If you think it's a crappy website, don't go there.

> And before some intellectual midget tries to argue that this response is
> itself cross-posted, it is indeed.

Intellectual midgets are those who waste their limited time in this
life by being net-nannies and trying to control every aspect of their
surroundings: a hopeless task.

As the old saw goes:

"Lord, give me the strength to change the things that I can, the grace
to accept the things I cannot change, and the wisdom to tell the
difference between the first two."
Steve Firth - 05 Sep 2008 22:28 GMT
> Nope, it still ain't "spam"

Repeating a lie won't make it true. Most children learn that early on. I
suppose the retarded ones still playing with trainsets after others have
grown out of it can be expected to be backwards in other respects.
Twibil - 06 Sep 2008 01:20 GMT
> > Nope, it still ain't "spam"
>
> Repeating a lie won't make it true. Most children learn that early on. I
> suppose the retarded ones still playing with trainsets after others have
> grown out of it can be expected to be backwards in other respects.

I'm still sitting on that 168 IQ you envy/hate so much, Steve.

But don't feel bad about yourself: *somebody* has to occupy the bottom
end of every bell curve.
Steve Firth - 06 Sep 2008 14:05 GMT
> > > Nope, it still ain't "spam"
> >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I'm still sitting on that 168 IQ you envy/hate so much, Steve.

And you've been sitting on it all your life.

> But don't feel bad about yourself: *somebody* has to occupy the bottom
> end of every bell curve.

How is it down there, bozo?
Random Excess - 06 Sep 2008 15:51 GMT
>I'm still sitting on that 168 IQ you envy/hate so much, Steve.

 Alleging all those smarts but still, somehow, insecure enough to
have to mention it.  And jive enough to crosspost as well.

RE
Steve the Other - 07 Sep 2008 05:28 GMT
>> > Nope, it still ain't "spam"
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> But don't feel bad about yourself: *somebody* has to occupy the bottom
> end of every bell curve.

Greg Proctor trying on another personna ... (YAWN).
Mike Hughes - 06 Sep 2008 11:59 GMT
As the OP on this one I think I owe some (many?) of you an apology and
an explanation.

First of let me *apologise* for cross posting. I've been around the net
long enough that I should know better but was just trying to save time
(see below)

My fotopic site I referred to has several different types of photos,
including North American models, UK models, and full size Canadian
trains.

I chose 4 newsgroups as being ones that would attract like minded
individuals who *may* be interested in seeing some of my photos (thanks
to those who took the trouble to let me know by the way) as these are
amongst the groups that I look at every day.

I have also come to realise by having a 'generalised' set of pictures
that there would inevitably be some that would not be of interest to
certain groups. That is why I am now starting to separate the photos
into more distinct 'collections' that have a more specialised appeal.
This would mean that in future I would only post to the relevant group
when I have any new photos.

There was never any intention to 'spam'. I was just trying to save time
by only making one posting. Again I will apologise if I have upset
anyone. I am new to this fotopic lark and so I am still finding my feet
when it comes to these matters. I welcome any *constructive*  criticism
and advice

I *think* I've managed to remove all but one group to this reply so
there should no longer be any cross posting.

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A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton
at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England
Interested in American trains real and model?
Look here http://mikehughes627.fotopic.net/

Just zis Guy, you know? - 05 Sep 2008 22:30 GMT
>He's not selling anything, so he's not "spamming": just offering to
>share his pictures with any other model railroaders who might be
>interested.

Which explains his posting to a group (uk.transport) which has no
known association with railway modelling, yes?

Posting to multiple groups with no substantive content other than
self-promotion is spamming.

Guy
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Twibil - 06 Sep 2008 01:16 GMT
> >He's not selling anything, so he's not "spamming": just offering to
> >share his pictures with any other model railroaders who might be
> >interested.
>
> Which explains his posting to a group (uk.transport) which has no
> known association with railway modelling, yes?

Uh, no. He's (A) modelling a form of transportation, and (B) model
railroaders come from all walks of life; including people involved
with transportation. In fact, I know a number of *real* railroaders
who play with trains in their spare time as well, and it's not unlikly
there are a number of such guys in the UK as well.
Lester Caine - 06 Sep 2008 06:29 GMT
>>> He's not selling anything, so he's not "spamming": just offering to
>>> share his pictures with any other model railroaders who might be
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> who play with trains in their spare time as well, and it's not unlikly
> there are a number of such guys in the UK as well.

Simple fact - this has been posted in parallel to several lists only one of
which I subscribe to. THEREFORE it is spam.
Personally I would prefer to see newsgroups reject ANYTHING that has multiple
to addresses. It is simply not acceptable.
The CONTENT is irrelevant in this case. The simple curtsy of posting an
appropriate message to EACH group would be acceptable and then THIS crap would
not also be propagated multiple times!

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Big_Al - 05 Sep 2008 19:43 GMT
> A message to all those who've been following my fotopic postings
>
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> me with a few problems which I've managed to solve and which may help
> others. Anyone interested in this?

Where were the BC Rail photos taken?
I see you are in UK but the photos kinda look like Vancouver, BC, Canada.
Roger T. - 05 Sep 2008 20:17 GMT
Us Canadians really object to being called "Americans", as in your header: -

American Railroad photos real and model by Mike @ fotopic.net

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Cheers
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Twibil - 05 Sep 2008 21:14 GMT
> Us Canadians really object to being called "Americans", as in your header: -

Object all you like: Canada will *still* be located in North America,
as is the U.S.

I thought you guys only got this bored in the winter.
Roger T. - 05 Sep 2008 21:25 GMT
"Twibil" wrote: -

> Us Canadians really object to being called "Americans", as in your
> header: -

Object all you like: Canada will *still* be located in North America,
as is the U.S.

---------------------------------------------

This is correct, "North America".  Canadians don't object to "North
America".

"America" has been stolen by the U.S.A. as the name of their country, which
is why Canada is not part of "America".  The continent name is "North
America" not "America".  Why?  See preceeding sentence.

However, why is it that when Canadians object to being called "Americans"
people like yourself say we are wrong yet if some other country changes
their name and decides to be called something else, "Mirimar" rather than
"Burma" for example, or a city says you must now call us "Bejing" instead of
"Peking" you go along with it?  If Canadians insist that they are not
"Americans", then you should respect that and not put Canadians down for not
wanting to be "Americans".

--
Cheers
Roger T.
See the GER at: -
http://www.islandnet.com/~rogertra/

I thought you guys only got this bored in the winter.
Ray Haddad - 05 Sep 2008 21:31 GMT
>"Twibil" wrote: -
>
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>"Americans", then you should respect that and not put Canadians down for not
>wanting to be "Americans".

You're still Americans.
--
Ray
Roger T. - 05 Sep 2008 22:01 GMT
"Ray Haddad"

> You're still Americans

Never.

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Cheers
Roger T.
See the GER at: -
http://www.islandnet.com/~rogertra/
Ray Haddad - 05 Sep 2008 22:11 GMT
>"Ray Haddad"
>
>> You're still Americans
>
>Never.

Of course you are. You come from the Americas just like El
Salvadorans do. And Brazilians. And Mexicans. Deal.
--
Ray
Twibil - 05 Sep 2008 22:55 GMT
> > You're still Americans
>
> Never.

And you're still Earthlings as well. Deal.

-Pete
Paul Newhouse - 05 Sep 2008 23:47 GMT
>> > You're still Americans
>>
>> Never.
> And you're still Earthlings as well. Deal.

Like that's something to brag about!!

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and verify all of my EBay, PayPal, bank and Social Security information
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Twibil - 06 Sep 2008 01:30 GMT
> > And you're still Earthlings as well. Deal.
>
> Like that's something to brag about!!

Be it ever so humble...
Stimpy - 05 Sep 2008 22:15 GMT
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 21:25:19 +0100, Roger T. wrote

> However, why is it that when Canadians object to being called "Americans"
> people like yourself say we are wrong yet if some other country changes
> their name and decides to be called something else, "Mirimar" rather than
> "Burma" for example,

Sorry?  "Mirimar"???  Are you *sure* about that?
Arthur Figgis - 05 Sep 2008 22:18 GMT
> "Twibil" wrote: -
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> "Burma" for example, or a city says you must now call us "Bejing" instead of
> "Peking" you go along with it?  

Except people don't. Beijing and Mumbai yes (though we pronounce Beijing
"wrongly", and I wonder if people actually realise Mumbai is the same
place as Bombay?), Kolkata maybe, but how about Banglore? Or Pretoria?

Myanmar is particularly complicated because of the politics - if you say
Burma, you are an evil western colonialist. If you say Myanmar, you are
an evil propaganda tool of the junta.

Some of the Indian changes aren't quite as simple and universally
welcomed as, say, replacing the previous name of Theodor Heuss Platz in
Berlin.

There is no hope of being "correct" in places like Spain or Belgium.

No-one gets upset about Munich or Florence, and the Czechs don't seem to
have a problem with (perhaps needlessly) feeding names like Carlsbad to
English speakers, but the Poles get upset when someone gives up on a
heap of Zs and says Stettin instead.

FYROM, anyone?

> If Canadians insist that they are not
> "Americans", then you should respect that and not put Canadians down for not
> wanting to be "Americans".

If Britons don't want to be considered Europeans, should the rest of the
world obey?
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Roger T. - 05 Sep 2008 22:44 GMT
> If Britons don't want to be considered Europeans, should the rest of the
> world obey?

Yes.

Calling Canadians "American" is analogous of call the Scots, the Welsh and
the Irish, "English".  And you all know how they feel about that!  :-)

--
Cheers
Roger T.
See the GER at: -
http://www.islandnet.com/~rogertra/
®i©ardo - 06 Sep 2008 10:01 GMT
>> If Britons don't want to be considered Europeans, should the rest of the
>> world obey?
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> See the GER at: -
> http://www.islandnet.com/~rogertra/

Humbled?

;-)

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Arthur Figgis - 06 Sep 2008 10:52 GMT
>> If Britons don't want to be considered Europeans, should the rest of the
>> world obey?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Calling Canadians "American" is analogous of call the Scots, the Welsh and
> the Irish, "English".  And you all know how they feel about that!  :-)

It is more like calling nationalists from those places British.

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Just zis Guy, you know? - 06 Sep 2008 10:58 GMT
>Calling Canadians "American" is analogous of call the Scots, the Welsh and
>the Irish, "English".  And you all know how they feel about that!  :-)

Never ask a man if he is American.  If he is, he will surely tell
you soon enough, and if not, why risk offending?

Guy
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Arthur Figgis - 06 Sep 2008 11:11 GMT
>> Calling Canadians "American" is analogous of call the Scots, the Welsh and
>> the Irish, "English".  And you all know how they feel about that!  :-)
>
> Never ask a man if he is American.  If he is, he will surely tell
> you soon enough, and if not, why risk offending?

Not to be confused with a Yorkshireman. If he is, he'll tell you, if he
isn't, why embarrass him?

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Bruce Fletcher (remove dentures to reply) - 06 Sep 2008 18:44 GMT
>>> Calling Canadians "American" is analogous of call the Scots, the
>>> Welsh and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Not to be confused with a Yorkshireman. If he is, he'll tell you, if he
> isn't, why embarrass him?

You can always tell a Yorkshireman but you can't tell him much.
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John Turner - 06 Sep 2008 20:14 GMT
> You can always tell a Yorkshireman but you can't tell him much.

Thaz reet theer owd luv!  :-)

John.
Twibil - 05 Sep 2008 22:53 GMT
> Object all you like: Canada will *still* be located in North America,
> as is the U.S.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> This is correct, "North America".  Canadians don't object to "North
> America".

Nobody cares what you object to. Your notions of political correctness
do not concern anyone but the small minority of Canadians who have
nothing better to do with their time than fret about nomenclature that
was put in place over 200 years ago and is not going to change.

> "America" has been stolen by the U.S.A. as the name of their country, which
> is why Canada is not part of "America".  The continent name is "North
> America" not "America".  Why?  See preceeding sentence.

Garbage. To "steal" means to illegally take something from the person
or legal entity that actually owns it. Nobody ever owned the name
"America", and your use of the word "steal" in this context
unwittingly reveals your revisionist intent: I.E. to pretend that the
U.S. took something that rightfully belonged to you in the first place
and that they must therefore be the ogres in your fairy tale.

> However, why is it that when Canadians object to being called "Americans"
> people like yourself say we are wrong yet if some other country changes
> their name and decides to be called something else, "Mirimar" rather than
> "Burma" for example, or a city says you must now call us "Bejing" instead of
> "Peking" you go along with it?

You're perfectly welcome to call yourselves anything you want to, and
should the Canadian government suddenly announce that Montreal will
hense-forth be spelled and pronounced "Whiffleball", we'll happily go
along with the joke.

But that's not the same thing as pretending that you personally speak
for all Canadians and acting as if everyone else should suddenly bow
to your individual wishes. Last I heard, the government of Canada had
not officially announced to the world's press that they will no longer
accept being part of the inclusive term "Americans". (And to put a
little perspective on your claim, can you imagine the Chinese
announcing that they are no longer "Asians"?)

> If Canadians insist that they are not
> "Americans", then you should respect that and not put Canadians down for not
> wanting to be "Americans".

Again you've confused Canada  -the legal entity and government- with
yourself. Look in the mirror. Are you three thousand miles wide, do
you extend to the Arctic ocean in your northern extremities, the
Pacific on your west, the Atlantic on your east, and border the U.S.
on your south? No? Do you contain some 33 million people of widely
varying ethnic and social backgrounds and political views to match?
Not that either?

Do you happen to have any wheat fields, forests, lakes, cities, or
rivers on your immediate person? Still no luck?

Then *you* aren't "Canada". (It's easy for most people to tell the
difference.)

Funny how you -you the *individual*, that is- are so willing to decide
what Americans should do in terms of political correctness, but quite
properly resent it when we do the same to you in in return.

Goose, gander, sauce for.

-Pete
Brian Smith - 05 Sep 2008 23:10 GMT
> You're perfectly welcome to call yourselves anything you want to, and
> should the Canadian government suddenly announce that Montreal will
> hense-forth be spelled and pronounced "Whiffleball", we'll happily go
> along with the joke.

 Actually the correct name for Montreal and the rest of Quebec is
SWAMP. No joke.
Twibil - 06 Sep 2008 01:28 GMT
On Sep 5, 3:10 pm, Brian Smith <""Halifax\"@ NovaScotia.Canada">
wrote:

>   Actually the correct name for Montreal and the rest of Quebec is
> SWAMP. No joke.

I wouldn't touch that line with a ten-foot seperatist.
Brian Smith - 06 Sep 2008 01:56 GMT
> I wouldn't touch that line with a ten-foot seperatist.

    The phrase you attempted to use is; I wouldn't touch that with a ten
foot Pole or a five foot Chinaman.
Twibil - 06 Sep 2008 03:34 GMT
On Sep 5, 5:56 pm, Brian Smith <""Halifax\"@ NovaScotia.Canada">
wrote:

> > I wouldn't touch that line with a ten-foot seperatist.
>
>         The phrase you attempted to use is; I wouldn't touch that with a ten
> foot Pole or a five foot Chinaman.

Editor: (n.) A form of parasite that feeds from the blood of authors
who knew what they meant to say in the first place. And did so.
Brian Smith - 06 Sep 2008 05:14 GMT
> Editor: (n.) A form of parasite that feeds from the blood of authors
> who knew what they meant to say in the first place. And did so.

    Go away Twitil.
Keith W - 06 Sep 2008 11:37 GMT
>> Editor: (n.) A form of parasite that feeds from the blood of authors
>> who knew what they meant to say in the first place. And did so.
>
> Go away Twitil.

Now children, there'll be tears before bedtime.   ;o)
Brian Smith - 06 Sep 2008 12:18 GMT
> Now children, there'll be tears before bedtime.   ;o)

    LOL! He started it <vbg>.
Mike Hughes - 06 Sep 2008 11:21 GMT
In message <j5fwk.486$Dj1.417@trnddc02>, Big_Al <BigAl@MD.com> writes
>> A message to all those who've been following my fotopic postings
>>  As I've now got more that 150 photos on the South Shore part of my
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>Where were the BC Rail photos taken?
>I see you are in UK but the photos kinda look like Vancouver, BC, Canada.

They were indeed taken in Vancouver by one of my fellow club members.
I've also got several Canadian photos taken in Winniandy (Grande Cache,
Alberta) on what was a very unusual day for them - they actually had two
trains there on one day, one with 6 locos and one with 4.

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A Taxi driver licensed for London and Brighton
at home in Tarring, West Sussex, England
Interested in American trains real and model?
Look here http://mikehughes627.fotopic.net/

Steve Firth - 05 Sep 2008 22:28 GMT
> A message to all those who've been following my fotopic postings

What, both of them?

Why not f.ck off and keep your spam to the toy trains group?
 
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