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David Nebenzahl - 27 Oct 2008 23:38 GMT
Just a quick question for y'all; cooking up some crazy ideas for
homebrew switch machines. What is the average throw distance for an HO
switch? (Rough figure, not precise to 2 decimal places.)

Thanks!

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Puckdropper - 28 Oct 2008 04:10 GMT
David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in news:490642f2$0$5792
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> Just a quick question for y'all; cooking up some crazy ideas for
> homebrew switch machines. What is the average throw distance for an HO
> switch? (Rough figure, not precise to 2 decimal places.)
>
> Thanks!

Somewhere around 1/16" to 2/16", I think.  Some slide switches (electrical)
have a similar range movement, so they work as power-routing ground throws.  
(I did it once as proof of concept, and the throw of the switch was more
than the points, so it held the point rails too tight against the stock
rails.)

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Wolf Kirchmeir - 28 Oct 2008 14:12 GMT
> David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in news:490642f2$0$5792
> $822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com:
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>
> Puckdropper

FWIW, Caboose Industries lists 0.135" for N, 0.190 for HO. Many
modellers us the N throws for HO.

Per NMRA RP12.3, heel spread should be 1/8" (0.125"). Heel spread is the
distance from the running rail to the point at rail, measured on same
edges of rail at the hinge point. Code 100 railhead is about 0.040"
wide, so the distance between the rails (flangeway) at this point would
be about 0.085". Minimum flangeway per S3 is 0.050".

Hence the throw must be at least 0.050", and should not be more than
0.085". The extra throw in the Caboose Industry turnouts is designed to
be taken up some springing arrangement. Their -S series throws have this
springing built in.

I've built turnouts with minimum flangeway at the points, this min.
flangeway looks very good. However, locos with long wheel bases, and
even six wheel trucks (bogies), can brush the open point, which will
cause a short if the points (and closure rails) are not insulated from
each other.

HTH

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Robert Heller - 28 Oct 2008 15:47 GMT
> > David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in news:490642f2$0$5792
> > $822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com:
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> FWIW, Caboose Industries lists 0.135" for N, 0.190 for HO. Many
> modellers us the N throws for HO.

Peco uses the *same* switch machines for both N and H0.

> Per NMRA RP12.3, heel spread should be 1/8" (0.125"). Heel spread is the
> distance from the running rail to the point at rail, measured on same
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>
> HTH

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Wolf Kirchmeir - 28 Oct 2008 18:12 GMT
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>> FWIW, Caboose Industries lists 0.135" for N, 0.190 for HO. Many
>> modellers us the N throws for HO.
>
> Peco uses the *same* switch machines for both N and H0.

I know. But then their N turnouts are rather coarse. As are all code 80
rail N turnouts.

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Bob May - 29 Oct 2008 20:55 GMT
Wolf, you've got it wrong.   All of the dimensions are for a gauge line, not
a real rail width.
The general rule is that the dimension of the aperture of the guard rail to
the running rail (again the gauge lines, not the width of the rail!) is the
minimum for the end of the point rail to the running rail (ignoring any cuts
that may be made to allow the point rail to snuggle into the stock rail -
the flange doesn't care if a bit of rail is missing!).  Naturally, this
dimension os from the far stock rail.

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> > David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote in news:490642f2$0$5792
> > $822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com:
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> Wolf Kirchmeir
Bob May - 29 Oct 2008 21:04 GMT
The important thing more than absolute throw is that the mechanism to throw
the points is flexible enough to take up any differences between the various
turnouts you have.  Commercial turnouts do tend to be fairly decent for
throw between various units on the order of 0.003" or so, not all that
important if you are not depending upon the contact of the points to the
stock rail for power to the point rails as that small distance won't pick at
flanges.
However, with homemade/handlaid turnouts or a mixture of turnout makers a
compliant mechanism is a lot better as it allows for an automatic adjustment
for each side of the throw to be fully thrown to the stock rails.
I like a mechanism where a wire goes up under the throwbar and flops back
and forth under the throwbar.  The bar is retained by a tube at right angles
to the section going up through the roadbed.  The tube is aligned in the
direction of the track and is generally soldered on a backing/mounting
plate.  The other end of the tube the wire is again bent at a right angle
and the switch machine pushes that back and forth to move the throwbar.  Use
1/32" wire and there is a lot of flexibility in the wire so that the points
are fully pushed against the stock rails without driving the rails out of
alignment.

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> Just a quick question for y'all; cooking up some crazy ideas for
> homebrew switch machines. What is the average throw distance for an HO
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>
> - Paulo Freire
 
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