I have an Athearn power supply that hit the floor yesterday.
It seems the Potentiometer (I think that is what you call it) was damaged. It no
longer works to control the power. It is just always on.
I put a meter on it and it showed as bad. I took it apart and could see no
damage. It seemed like a simple device. I made sure the small wire brushes were
touching the board and put it back together, but that did not help either.
I also tried putting a potentiometer on that I had laying around and of course
it smoked, like I thought it would since this is D.C..
What makes the one in the power supply so special that it does not smoke and
where can you get replacements?
I realized that these are cheap power supplies, but I am curious.
Thanks
Chris
> I realized that these are cheap power supplies, but I am curious.
So am I.
Would it be possible for you to take a picture of the broken
"potentiometer" ?
Klaus

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Chris - 20 Feb 2009 00:24 GMT
>> I realized that these are cheap power supplies, but I am curious.
>
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> Klaus
I can do that. I will post a picture later tonight.
Chris
Chris - 20 Feb 2009 02:04 GMT
>> I realized that these are cheap power supplies, but I am curious.
>
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> Klaus
Here is a pic
http://s261.photobucket.com/albums/ii77/sunshine5666/
Ray Haddad - 20 Feb 2009 03:38 GMT
>>> I realized that these are cheap power supplies, but I am curious.
>>
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>
>http://s261.photobucket.com/albums/ii77/sunshine5666/
The round black thing on the left side of the circuit board is a
trim-pot that has been adapted for use as the throttle control for the
powerpack. That, in fact, is the potentiometer - or one of them.
At the bottom of that round black area you can see three black squares
with little legs that go through the circuit board. The two outer legs
are a fixed resistance and will measure some value depending on what
is printed on the potentiometer body. Read there and see if there are
some numbers like 103, or 10k, or 100k or something like those. When
you do, I'll tell you what the outer leg measurements should be.
The center leg is the wiper of the potentiometer and that measurement
from the center to either outer leg will vary depending on where the
knob is turned. From the limited view of what you have photographed,
it looks as if you have a simple unregulated rectified circuit with
one leg of the bridge rectifier variable. This is not a good
powerpack. You'd be spending good money to repair something you can
buy in a thrift shop for a dollar. Toss it and buy a better one.
Seriously.
--
Ray
Chris - 20 Feb 2009 15:00 GMT
>>>> I realized that these are cheap power supplies, but I am curious.
>>> So am I.
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> some numbers like 103, or 10k, or 100k or something like those. When
> you do, I'll tell you what the outer leg measurements should be.
It says 20k.
> The center leg is the wiper of the potentiometer and that measurement
> from the center to either outer leg will vary depending on where the
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> --
> Ray
I agree with spending money to fix. That will not happen. But I may have
something laying around. I do not think I will spend to much more time on this,
but I have learned a few things, so I am happy.
Now I wonder if I can get some of this "Stimulus" money for my railroad. Amtrak
is getting some! :)
Chris
Rick Jones - 20 Feb 2009 04:38 GMT
> Here is a pic
>
> http://s261.photobucket.com/albums/ii77/sunshine5666/
You didn't point out which component you're speaking of. I'm going
to assume it's one of the two potentiometers at the top center of the
photo, one of which appears to be attached by wires back to the power
pack. It appears to be a carbon film pot.
It *may* be bad, or not. The way to check is with an ohmmeter across
the two outer terminals. The center terminal is for the wiper. If it
reads infinity or some other very high value across the two outer
terminals then it is bad. Normally for this application you might have
something between 1kohms and 10kohms.
However, I also see, on the circuit board, a black, 3 terminal
device almost exactly in the center of the photo that is likely either a
transistor or SCR. Assuming that power to the track is actually being
controlled by that device, if it is shorted you would have the "always
on at full speed" problem that you describe. If you have a multimeter
with a diode check function, and you know how to use it, you can
determine if that is shorted and the cause of your problem.

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Klaus D. Mikkelsen - 20 Feb 2009 05:33 GMT
> Here is a pic
>
> http://s261.photobucket.com/albums/ii77/sunshine5666/
And next a sharp picture of the circuit board alone. Both sides.
If the original potmeter was blown, and the new mounted blew too, then
perhaps the error is somewhere else.
Shorted transistor perhaps?
Do you hava an ohm meter ?
Klaus

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Chris - 20 Feb 2009 14:52 GMT
>> Here is a pic
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> Klaus
Yes I have an ohm meter and have been checking things out. The "potmeter" (new
term for me, learn something everyday) is bad. I have also been checking
resistors and they so far check out. Have more checking to do.
Chris
On 2/19/2009 10:10 AM Chris spake thus:
> I have an Athearn power supply that hit the floor yesterday.
>
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> I also tried putting a potentiometer on that I had laying around and
> of course it smoked, like I thought it would since this is D.C..
It smoked because too much power went through it, not because of AC or
DC. See below.
> What makes the one in the power supply so special that it does not
> smoke and where can you get replacements?
Not sure, but what you probably have there is a power supply with a
rheostat, not a potentiometer.
Rheostats and pots are basically the same things--variable resistors.
However, potentiometers generally only handle small amounts of power,
typically about half a watt. A rheostat can handle considerably more,
like all the juice going out of the power pack.
Does the control have wire windings that are contacted by a sliding
brush? If so, it's a rheostat. You might be able to find a replacement,
either at a "real" electronics store (forget Radio Shack!), or, more
likely, online: check electronic surplus retailers, etc.
You can probably determine the resistance of the rheostat by measuring
across the full winding: this is the resistance value you want for a
replacement.

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> I have an Athearn power supply that hit the floor yesterday.
>
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> What makes the one in the power supply so special that it does not smoke
> and where can you get replacements?
At your friendly local hobby shop. Ask for a "power pack." And toss the
damaged unit.
Really.
Those train-set power-packs are not worth the hassle of repair - unless
you want to branch out into the electronic side of the hobby, in which
case I suggest you build an elementary transistorised throttle. You can
use the damaged unit as a source of AC, if the connections to the
transformer are still good.
Have fun!
Cheers,
wolf k.
> I realized that these are cheap power supplies, but I am curious.
>
> Thanks
> Chris
NICHE541 - 20 Feb 2009 01:54 GMT
> > I have an Athearn power supply that hit the floor yesterday.
>
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> > Thanks
> > Chris
I am a retired physics professor and always used Sargent Scientific
Catalogue for electronic meters pots etc. You get the good stuff
there. there is a web site but I don't have the link. Google Sargent
Scientific Supplies.
JOHn
Chris - 20 Feb 2009 02:12 GMT
>>> I have an Athearn power supply that hit the floor yesterday.
>>> It seems the Potentiometer (I think that is what you call it) was
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> Scientific Supplies.
> JOHn
That is a cool site. I see I will be spending some money there. Started making a
list already.
Thanks for the site.
Chris
Chris - 20 Feb 2009 02:09 GMT
>> I have an Athearn power supply that hit the floor yesterday.
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>> Thanks
>> Chris
As in my last line I know they are cheap but I am curious. I like to play around
with things. It is part of learning.
Chris
peteski@my-deja.com - 21 Feb 2009 03:05 GMT
> >> I have an Athearn power supply that hit the floor yesterday.
>
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>
> Chris
When you replaced the potentiometer (aka pot) did you replace it with
one with the same resistance value? That makes a big difference in
how the device will work and if it'll "smoke" or not.
Most electronic components (including pots and rheostats) have some
sort of identification imprinted on them. Pots might have something
like "A2K" or "502B" or some other number/letter combination. The
number is its total resistance and one of the letters indicates
logarithmic or linear taper. You should replace the burned out pot
with one that has the same properties.
I also never heard of "potmeters". Ohm-meter is used to measure them
as they are just variable resistors.
Peteski
Chris - 21 Feb 2009 17:17 GMT
>>>> I have an Athearn power supply that hit the floor yesterday.
>>>> It seems the Potentiometer (I think that is what you call it) was
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> Peteski
I learned that the hard way "I smoked it"! Had some more out in the shop and put
it in today and it is now working again.
Chris