I live in the UK and many years ago managed to borrow Mixed Train Daily by
Lucius Beebe from our local library. It had such an effect on my that I even
named our first cat 'Tweetsie'!
I have spent many years making US Outline model railroads, most of which
didn't get too far because they were too ambitious. Some 4 years ago I was
in the US on business and my business partner booked us a trip on the Green
Mountain Valley Railroad from bellows Falls to Chester and back. I was
telling him about the book as it mirrored so much that I was seeing. On
getting back to bellow Falls, we went into a bookshop and that bookshop had
a 1st edition copy of Mixed Train Daily so naturally I bought it.
I am now in the process of designing my next HO railroad and would like to
make it a short line like many of those in the book. I have 2 x 2-8-0
consolidations and 1 x 4-6-0 so I am OK for locos. What I am having trouble
with is designing the depot track layout. I always seem to make it that
little bit too comlicated.
Can anyone point me at an onlice source of actual or appropriate model track
plans that could help me?
Can anyone offer some advice on what a depot would comprise?
Thanks in advance
David
Charles Davis - 13 Apr 2009 14:08 GMT
> I live in the UK and many years ago managed to borrow Mixed Train Daily by
> Lucius Beebe from our local library. It had such an effect on my that I even
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> Can anyone offer some advice on what a depot would comprise?
Some general thoughts I can offer!!
Basic needs (in order of importance).
Siding, so that 'passenger operations' do not stop all other operation.
Baggage spur.
Team Track, for non-'spur available' incoming freight.
Spur tracks to local industries.
It makes a big difference what space is available, and whether it is an
'End of Line' or Through location.
General recommendation: Lin Wescott's "Track Planning for Realistic
Operation"
HTH
Chuck D.
> Thanks in advance
>
> David
LD - 14 Apr 2009 06:02 GMT
>> I live in the UK and many years ago managed to borrow Mixed Train Daily
>> by Lucius Beebe from our local library. It had such an effect on my that
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> General recommendation: Lin Wescott's "Track Planning for Realistic
> Operation"
John Armstrong's "Track Planning for Realistic Operation". And, IIRC, Linn
Westcott.
Charles Davis - 14 Apr 2009 18:50 GMT
>>> I live in the UK and many years ago managed to borrow Mixed Train
>>> Daily by Lucius Beebe from our local library. It had such an effect
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> John Armstrong's "Track Planning for Realistic Operation". And, IIRC,
> Linn Westcott.
I was confidant about the name of the book, now that you mention John
Armstrong, You are right. Still a good piece of reference material.
Chuck D.
LD - 16 Apr 2009 09:50 GMT
>>>> I live in the UK and many years ago managed to borrow Mixed Train Daily
>>>> by Lucius Beebe from our local library. It had such an effect on my
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> Chuck D.
Very much so! Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Everything written by
Armstrong is as useful today as the day it was written.
Westcott wrote some good stuff in his time. His bench work book is probably
still very useful.
David Pennington - 16 Apr 2009 18:50 GMT
>>>>> I live in the UK and many years ago managed to borrow Mixed Train
>>>>> Daily by Lucius Beebe from our local library. It had such an effect on
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> Westcott wrote some good stuff in his time. His bench work book is
> probably still very useful.
Having sold the book some years ago I have now re-ordered it. I have also
downloaded a PDF from MR entitled Modelling (sorry Modeling) Narrow Gauge
Railroads which has a nice trackplan of the Tweetsie in it. As I named our
first cat Tweetsie after thrailroad, I will see what I can do with it.
I appreceiate that my space may be tight at 13 x 7' but that's what I have.
My interchange withe the big road will just be a single track that comes
from nowhere and goes to nowehere along one side - just to give the excuse
of the existence.
I am finishing the insulation in the shed this weekend and will post some
pictures on my cottage web site when I get going.
If you are interested, we live in a small village in Suffolk UK and you can
see some photos and the weather in eal time at
http://www.onerosecottage.co.uk.
David
Wolf K - 16 Apr 2009 19:02 GMT
[...]
> I appreceiate that my space may be tight at 13 x 7' [...]
There are lots of people who would like to have that much space. ;-)
Have fun!
wolf k.
Gordon - 16 Apr 2009 21:05 GMT
> I appreceiate that my space may be tight at 13 x 7' but that's what I
> have. My interchange withe the big road will just be a single track
> that comes from nowhere and goes to nowehere along one side - just to
> give the excuse of the existence.
I wish I had that much space.
I suggest that you go with an around the walls layout. Start with
an interchange on one side of the door. I once modeled an interchange
with 2 inches of class 1 track that cut across the corner of
the layout. Just enough to be there. A nonfunctional turnout with
a curved track ran off the layout, and was aimed in such a way as
to apear that it would intersect the class 1 RR at some point off the
edje of the layout. An interlocking tower completed the scene.
In opperation, "The hand of God" would remove the setouts and replace
them with the pickups.
Bob May - 17 Apr 2009 04:10 GMT
This is probably the best time to bring this up. The best railroad design
for your situation is one that goes around the walls rather than sitting in
the middle of the room. You get a lot more running trackage and larger
radius curves as well as a more spacey feeling as you are more rotating
about the center of a railroad rather than walking around it. Putting up a
valance and putting a bit of a shallow shelf above as well as drawers to
store all kinds of things.
--
Bob May
rmay at nethere.com
http: slash /nav.to slash bobmay
http: slash /bobmay dot astronomy.net
Mike Smith - 21 Apr 2009 01:30 GMT
> This is probably the best time to bring this up. The best railroad design
> for your situation is one that goes around the walls rather than sitting
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> valance and putting a bit of a shallow shelf above as well as drawers to
> store all kinds of things.
Agree - also you cannot see all the layout at once. Once had a very small
room to play with and considered a narrow shelf line representing the NY
elevated freight line, in N you would only need about 8-10 inches and the
track would weave in between tall buildings. Never got built as I moved
(again) but bought some suitable stock so one day . . .
Mike
Bob May - 13 Apr 2009 22:31 GMT
Basically you've got one train crew for the railroad. From there, all you
will find you need are tracks to hold things, get from one place to the
other and then turn things around. Anything more is a lot of expense for
the railroad.
Most of the railroads had interconnections to larger railroads so that is
where you can do all of the big complex stuff that you just feel you have to
have - it belongs to the big main track road and you will also need power
for that road floating around.
Small railroads are more of an exercise in scenery and buildings so have fun
with them!
--
Bob May
rmay at nethere.com
http: slash /nav.to slash bobmay
http: slash /bobmay dot astronomy.net
Ray Haddad - 13 Apr 2009 22:51 GMT
>Can anyone point me at an onlice source of actual or appropriate model track
>plans that could help me?
>
>Can anyone offer some advice on what a depot would comprise?
I suggest that you contact your local historical society and find out
who the experts on the local short lines are. Don't worry. There will
be plenty of documentation about on virtually any railroad. Acquire
all you can and read about your subject until you're sick of it. Make
an imaginary track plan of the real thing and block diagram each
functional area. After that, scale it down to fit your actual area.
It sounds complicated but it's easier than trying to do it in reverse.
A model railway almost never has that real feel unless it comes from
real life even in small ways. When you go through the steps of
modeling a real railroad in miniature, you will have something of
endless fascination. Make sure you leave some unused space on the
layout where you can add features that the prototype would have had if
they had the ability to build it in miniature like you do.
Go here:
http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bi=0&bx=off&ds=30&kn=short+line+ra
ilroad&sortby=2&sts=t&x=0&y=0
Or:
http://tinyurl.com/dlfdmh
for a listing of over 1000 books on short line railroads available
worldwide. If you can't find one there that suits your interest, go
back to watching The Bill. Just kidding. I love The Bill.
Above all, have fun.
--
Ray
Gordon - 15 Apr 2009 23:11 GMT
> I am now in the process of designing my next HO railroad and would
> like to make it a short line like many of those in the book. I have 2
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>
> David
The complexity of the depot would totally depend on the
amount of people or freight moved by the railroad, and
it's location. A very simple rural depot would simply
be a passing siding along a station. You can add a
stub end spur to either end of the passing siding for
a place to drop freight cars (team track or freight house).
That is about as simple as it needs to be. Anything else,
and you are adding complexity.
You can find track plans on-line by Googling "track plans"
or "layout plans"
At the risk of apearing to spam the group. I maintain a
list of links on our club site. Go to www.PDXareaNtrak.org
and click on Other Places. Scroll down that page to Other
Modeler's Sites. There are several links in there to pages
of track plans.
Wolf K - 16 Apr 2009 04:01 GMT
>> I am now in the process of designing my next HO railroad and would
>> like to make it a short line like many of those in the book. I have 2
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> Modeler's Sites. There are several links in there to pages
> of track plans.
Also, look at Track Planning for Realistic Operation, by John Armstrong.
(Kalmbach Publishing). Highly recommended. It will anser questions you
didn't know you needed to ask. ;-)
Cheers,
wolf k.
LD - 16 Apr 2009 10:00 GMT
>> I am now in the process of designing my next HO railroad and would
>> like to make it a short line like many of those in the book. I have 2
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> Modeler's Sites. There are several links in there to pages
> of track plans.
Is that the "Street Of Dreams" above and east of the Sandy River? :o)
Twibil - 16 Apr 2009 20:30 GMT
On Apr 13, 3:46 am, "David Pennington" <da...@sbxmodelshop.co.uk>
wrote:
> Can anyone point me at an onlice source of actual or appropriate model track
> plans that could help me?
Do you get "Narrow gauge and Short Line Gazette" in Great Britain?
It's an entire magazine dedicated to exactly those subjects, and has
featured dozens of prototype *and* model track-plans over the years.
> Can anyone offer some advice on what a depot would comprise?
I live in a small town that once featured both Santa Fe and Southern
Pacific branch lines, and both station's track layouts were quite
similar. The "main lines" passed in front of the station and there
were also a couple of spurs -at least one with a with loading dock-
that abutted the passenger plarform at one end. These spurs were
dedicated to LCL and express use.
As built, there were runaround tracks in front of both stations, but
later on these were removed simply because there was never more than
one train on the line at a time, so a train pausing at the station
couldn't "block the line" for anyone else.
There were of course various other sidings in town that serviced a
number of businesses -around 28 as late as the 1950s- but the station
layouts thermselves were almost starkly simple.
Another entertaining example of short-line/branch-line operation was
that neither railroad bothered to invest in either a turntable or a
turning "Y" at the end of the branch, so the locos always came into
town facing forwards and then reversed all the way back to their
points of origin; about ten miles west.
Both S.P. and S.F. kept functional run around tracks in service right
up until they ceased operation, so the locos always headed their
trains rather than pushing them all the way home, but the sight of an
old steam engine carefully backing out of town with both the engineer
and fireman leaning 'way out to see around the tender added flavor to
steam operations right up until the diesels took over. (Whereupon both
railroads took to dispatching two units hooked up back-to-back. When
the day's work was done the crew simply switched their base of
operations to the cab of the other locomotive and went home in style;
no doubt to the great relief of the engine crews...)
~Pete