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Baldwin backhead detail?

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Greg.Procter - 23 Jul 2009 01:11 GMT
Hi all,
can anyone point me to drawings or photographs of Baldwin boiler backhead
details, builders date circa 1898.
The loco I'm building has a Belpaire type firebox.
(Narrow gauge would be even better)

Regards,
Greg.P.

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Ray Haddad - 23 Jul 2009 01:30 GMT
>Hi all,
>can anyone point me to drawings or photographs of Baldwin boiler backhead
>details, builders date circa 1898.
>The loco I'm building has a Belpaire type firebox.
>(Narrow gauge would be even better)

Out of curiosity and possible clarification, what are you modeling?
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Ray
Greg.Procter - 26 Jul 2009 04:25 GMT
>> Hi all,
>> can anyone point me to drawings or photographs of Baldwin boiler  
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> --
> Ray

I'm modelling a New Zealand Railways Class Ub, first series.
NZR in 1898 was short of "larger" locos as regional branches were linking
up so runs were suddenly getting much longer.
At that stage locos were sourced about 67% from Britain, 33% from NZR
works. The Brits had supplied some less than ideal locos and their
delivery times were out to three years. Baldwin offered to build some
4-6-0s and deliver inside a year. NZR initially ordered 10.
I gather these were their standard 3' gauge locos with the wheels out
to 3'6". The tender was only 6'8" wide and I'm guessing it's underframe
was straight off the rack as there are features that are somewhat odd
for the gauge and the much wider loading gauge. The last of these locos
was scrapped in 1936, but they were dumped in riverbeads as flood  
protection
and at least two have been dug up recently and are being rebuilt privately.

I've now found a backhead shot - train accident which removed the cab, so
the photo shows the backhead without even shadows! :-)

My current problem is the arrangement of the connection between loco
and tender. The NZR General Arrangement Drawing doesn't match the photos
I have. The main frame is a 6 1/2" x 2 1/2" "U" girder bent around all
four corners at about 9" radius, but the photos show a narrower rectangular
extension on the front. I've looked at another Baldwin tender underframe
of the same year(WMR 2-8-0 Steam Incorporated. Paekakariki, NZ) which has
the same sort of frame but without an extension and I can't see how it
could be extended and still cope with tractive forces.

The model, NZR Ub conversion kit for Bachmann G 4-6-0.

Greg.P.
Ray Haddad - 27 Jul 2009 23:35 GMT
>I've now found a backhead shot - train accident which removed the cab, so
>the photo shows the backhead without even shadows! :-)

I went looking through my library with no results. It's as bad as web
browsing. I pick up a book, read something and then get distracted for
an hour or so. Then another book has a nugget of information and off I
go again. Found lots of pics with Baldwin boilers from the side or
front. As you would imagine.

I'm happy you found something useful.
--
Ray
Greg.Procter - 28 Jul 2009 00:04 GMT
>> I've now found a backhead shot - train accident which removed the cab,  
>> so
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> --
> Ray

I know the problem of checking books and getting distracted, the loco
started as a project for rail fixings! ;-)

Regards,
Greg.P.
Tim Illingworth - 23 Jul 2009 04:16 GMT
>Hi all,
>can anyone point me to drawings or photographs of Baldwin boiler backhead
>details, builders date circa 1898.

Ask http://www.762club.com maybe?

Tim
Bob May - 23 Jul 2009 21:39 GMT
There is a catalog of Baldwin locos that was reprinted some years ago.  I
think that it was a turn of the century catalog.
FWIW, referance books are often found used and I've found www.bookfinder.com
to be an excellent search engine for used/new books.

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Frank A. Rosenbaum - 24 Jul 2009 01:13 GMT
> There is a catalog of Baldwin locos that was reprinted some years ago.  I
> think that it was a turn of the century catalog.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> http: slash /nav.to slash bobmay
> http: slash /bobmay dot astronomy.net

I have a copy of the book Locomotives that Baldwin built. I looked through
it when the question first came up. There is no picture or drawing of the
backhead from a locomotive from that time.

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Greg.Procter - 26 Jul 2009 05:13 GMT
> There is a catalog of Baldwin locos that was reprinted some years ago.  I
> think that it was a turn of the century catalog.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> --
> Bob May

Thanks Bob.

Regards,
Greg.P.
Rich - 27 Jul 2009 22:08 GMT
I found quite a lot of information in a Google search but no backhead
detail in a few links I looked at. Have fun looking

http://www.google.com/search?pz=1&ned=us&hl=en&q=baldwin+locomotive+catalog&btnm
eta%3Dsearch%3Dsearch=Search+the+Web


r
Rich - 27 Jul 2009 22:16 GMT
Here are some more links to look through.

http://books.google.com/bkshp?hl=en&tab=np&q=baldwin%20locomotive%20works%20catalog

r
Greg.Procter - 27 Jul 2009 23:35 GMT
> Here are some more links to look through.
>
> http://books.google.com/bkshp?hl=en&tab=np&q=baldwin%20locomotive%20works%20catalog
>
> r

Thanks Rich!

Regards,
Greg.P.
Rich - 24 Jul 2009 20:46 GMT
> Hi all,
> can anyone point me to drawings or photographs of Baldwin boiler backhead
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Regards,
> Greg.P.

You might try the below site. There are different forums under the
site name.

http://cs.trains.com/trccs/forums/

r
 
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